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Texas is suing 4 states where Biden won, asking SCOTUS to allow state legislatures to decide election [Up: Other States Sign On]
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This is going to get struck down so don't worry about that. But yeah it's kinda scary how much control Trump has over the part.
Would a new VRA just need the 50 dem Seantors + Harris to vote it in?
If Biden wants to actually get any legislation passed they will have to do away with the filibuster, so most likely.
Yep. Pretty much every world leader reconized Biden as the legitimate President elect and they wouldnt want the US to fall into fascism to begin with. Military would also most likely step in
We can always get DC statehood for 52 Dem senators. We're going to need to get rid of the filibuster anyways.
20 other states have requested to join the case to oppose Texas
The case will likely die tomorrow afternoon (but could be as late as Monday).
for anyone who wants a clear visualization of who has supported who in their Amicus briefs; I left Ohio and Arizona blank because they were fairly wishy-washy
Help a non-American: so this is a soft coup via lawsuits and also a soft civial war also being fought by lawsuits?
Also why is any of this even possible? How can one state even sue another never mind sue it for not voting the same way it did?
Can't lie, the US constitution and govermental system looks like a shambles right now.
What I dilike the most is it feels like far too much is being normalised here: this should be eliciting huge public pushback and should see the bad faith actors getting heavily censured and penalised but there's no sign of that at all it seems. I appreciate Covid is probably impacting things too but I can't shake feeling it's actually not by much.
Or am I just missing nuance here?
Also why is any of this even possible? How can one state even sue another never mind sue it for not voting the same way it did?
Can't lie, the US constitution and govermental system looks like a shambles right now.
What I dilike the most is it feels like far too much is being normalised here: this should be eliciting huge public pushback and should see the bad faith actors getting heavily censured and penalised but there's no sign of that at all it seems. I appreciate Covid is probably impacting things too but I can't shake feeling it's actually not by much.
Or am I just missing nuance here?
Roy Cooper is a Dem governor and former AG, state rep, and state senator. The current Attorney General is also a dem.
First of all: It's a not a civil war at all.
Secondly, the Constitution explicitly allows states to sue one another. That's one of the main reasons the Supreme Court was set up, to settle legal disputes between states.
Thirdly, technically this isn't about the candidate it voted for, but rather the manner of the voting process.
Fourthly, most people are expecting SCOTUS to throw the suit out saying that Texas lacks standing, which more or less means that states can't sue over this shit, but they still have to let the process of soliciting briefs and responses work itself out.
Fifthly, so far everything is technically working as intended. Republicans are probing some of the darkest corners of our electoral process, but the fabric is holding. They have yet to technically achieve anything beyond create doubt in the populace.
It's not really a coup because nothing will come of it.
It's performative litigation with the express intent of appeasing the outgoing POTUS. That's it.
Texas is asking for permission to file. They haven't even been granted standing. They can do this whenever they feel like it. It's the court equivalent of a meaningless shitpost at this point in time.
Is Utah the only state that had the AG support Texas, but had the governor, and governor-elect, release a statement that could be summed up as "We don't support the AG's stupid waste of money"?
Oh hey, glad Dan Crenshaw was able to realize his true corncob nature.
There aren't really penalties for bringing frivolous lawsuits. That's why Trump has lost over 50 so far. This stuff is scummy but it's not illegal.
Ok that makes more sense then. And explains sense it's being allowed to play out. Hopefully the fabric does indeed hold firm.
Thanks for other replies too; I won't quote all and bulk out thread but they combine to clarify this for an outsider.
All true. But that doubt is a serious situation for the health of the country's democratic processes. And it is not a sustainable path if the country intends to have a semblance of a functioning government in the future.
This is literally attaching your name to something you know is going to fail, just so you can claim support for it when it comes time for re-election, because you need Trumpers to vote for you.
The solicitation for members to sign up to this also explicitly threatened that Trump was going to take a hard look at the list and who didn't sign up.
You may be onto something, a vuvuzela army may be just the hoard needed to defeat this stupid.and my vuvuzela!
Every time a conservative opens their mouth to say "rigged":
And over 100 still told him to fuck off.
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I just can't explain why they insist on tying themselves to a fucking loser like Trump.
Because millions of Republican voters have tied themselves to Trump and the cult.
They let Trump hijack and transform their base. If they don't worship him, the base will turn on them. Look how fast they turned on Fox.
Yeah it's not Trump they want, it's his base.
In a few years we're going to see a lot of Republican politicians fighting over who was the "trumpier" person, or who fought for trump the most in his time of need, etc. It will be disgusting and embarassing.
The assumption is Trump/MAGA is still going to be a major force from the sidelines and will influence at least 2022 and 2024.
Oh yeah, I know. I'm IN Georgia lol
I was thinking on a grander more national scale amongst a larger group of candidates, like with presidential bids and such. But yeah, you're totally not wrong.
Trump got 70 million votes after lying, stealing, cheating, betraying, playing golf for nearly an entire year of his term and getting 300,000 Americans dead.
He's far, far more popular than any Republican.
Someone check r/conservative
I feel like looking back at republicans whose sole accomplishment for the last 12 years has been not doing anything and giving money to the wealthy... we shouldn't be surprised.
So this is basically just becoming a purity test, isn't it. They surely know it's going to fail, but Trump is making his list of states and elected Republicans that did or did not support it, which will be used against them in the future.
It'll be interesting to see what happens to those plans if he has a stroke and gets incapacitated on national tv/gets dementia/straight up dies without naming a successor/intentionally setting off a Republican civil war/naming someone to intentionally mess with the GOP. Let alone him getting deplatformed and sent to jail. Or straight up attempts to flee the country
I wish federal funds could be withheld from the districts that these clowns represent.
And not only that. So far, the non-rabid Trump supporting Republicans are totally fine with all this shit. There are millions of Trump supporters out there, but also millions of Mitt Romney types who look at the Trump cult and say "Yeah, so they're crazy. At least they vote R."
Its gonna be wild when he kicks it and they had to figure out how to enthuse that base
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