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Stooge

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Oct 29, 2017
11,136
Vote on secession sounds good. Time to see how well their economy does when it isn't burdened with financing the coastal progressive elite in their failed socialist utopias.

I mean, that's the Kool Aid they're drinking over there, right?

Texas would fail horribly but we p
Maybe it's because of how freaking massive the State is, maybe those who live in smaller States just don't get it, but those who admonish the entirety of this hellhole and all the people in it despite the fact Dallas county leans Blue and is over 2.6 million people alone is… do y'all even know how much of Texas actually votes against these things but loses them due to how maps are drawn? "F you, got mine," is how I always read those types of posts.

It's one thing calling out the State and the party actively putting up this BS. It's another to just call the entire State and the people in it a lost cause, or something that should just be left behind. Like gee, thanks, you get to sit in your tower and watch that dirty village burn. Good for you. Too bad that village was full of good people.

Every time I get hopes I'm let down yet again, but I'd like to think that just once in my life I could see a headline from this State that isn't, "GOP actively wants people dead and is pushing for it," but something positive. However, I'm beginning to think it'll never happen in my lifetime. And considering the state of things and my life situation, I'm afraid it really will be the same way when my life ends. Still stuck here. Still wishing for just one good thing. Would love to see this burn them bad in November, but I should just set my expectations now to the realistic outlook; some of this actually being brought forth and passing.

More people voted for Beto than live in Connecticut. More people voted for Biden in Texas than did in Virginia.

There are lots and lots of marginalized folks and allies who live in Texas and desperately want better but fuck us because we live in the same state as Lubbock/Amarillo/Midland and vast swaths of rural areas that outnumber us by ~5% that are filled with conservative shitstains that most of us in the major cities dispise.
 

geardo

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Oct 27, 2017
1,318
Wish we could just end this charade of a country man. I agree that a split is in the country's future but these states are all fucking trash. Wish we could all agree to split up based on the rural/urban divide. They can have their unincorporated rural territories or whatever they want, and the rest of us could basically live in city states moving forward.

Maybe we could agree on some mutual things like maintaining an army and stuff but that's about it. Anyone stuck in the rural areas that wants to live in the cities gets the assistance that they need to make the transition and vice versa. Eh 🤷‍♂️
 

thewienke

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Oct 25, 2017
15,929
Would Texas Republicans trying to secede actually be one of the better things to happen? Because it'd mean the feds would have to go in and arrest them on sedition charges. As far as I'm aware they don't have an army ready to go nor are they conspiring with other states. So it'd be a repeat of the civil war but the union vs just Texas.

That is if the govt actually reacted to it and didn't just wring their hands and release a statement to the news media that they're really concerned about it.

That's about as dramatic as it would get I would expect and I don't think it'll even get that far.

As far as I'm aware, every single member of the Texas National Guard swears to uphold the Constitution of the United States much like any other soldier. Nobody is dying in an actual shooting war for any of this. I also believe that the military on the whole is disproportionately over represented by minorities so good luck there.

You're also not getting 50+% of people to vote to secede from the union in Texas.

It's not going anywhere anytime soon.
 

Sunster

The Fallen
Oct 5, 2018
10,007
if all this came to pass i cant see the US maintaining it's global dominance for much longer.
 

Sidebuster

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Oct 26, 2017
2,405
California

I'm pretty sure the Texas National Guard wouldn't go for it. If they did, it wouldn't be all of them, and if it was, they still have to fight against the rest of the country. They have to make the choice of fighting for their state or their country and very likely dying in the process.

The most likely event would be the Texas government declaring they're seceding and federal agents would swoop in out of nowhere, arrest and spirit away the conspirators.
 

kukubrew

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Nov 7, 2017
342
How is this not proof of conspiracy to commit sedition? Voting is fine and dandy but when you start planning to take territory from a sovereign nation, you get put down. This should demand very harsh response both in rethoric and force. Seriously we should not fuck around and allow groups in states plan to secede from the country.
 
Oct 29, 2017
13,470
Wish we could just end this charade of a country man. I agree that a split is in the country's future but these states are all fucking trash. Wish we could all agree to split up based on the rural/urban divide. They can have their unincorporated rural territories or whatever they want, and the rest of us could basically live in city states moving forward.

Maybe we could agree on some mutual things like maintaining an army and stuff but that's about it. Anyone stuck in the rural areas that wants to live in the cities gets the assistance that they need to make the transition and vice versa. Eh 🤷‍♂️

What about the people that vote blue/aren't republicans, but also don't want to live in cities? There are plenty of people who would prefer to live in more rural places, mountains, etc but don't like or approve of Republican ideologies or politics.

Personally I don't like city living, but I sure as hell don't want to be left behind in some kind of split among a rural/urban divide of the country.

Basically, it's just not that simple. Nothing about this is.
 

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Oct 28, 2017
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Cant fucking wait for mastriano to win PA

What a circus

It's scary

Watching a disaster in slo mo fucking sucks
 
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geardo

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Oct 27, 2017
1,318
What about the people that vote blue/aren't republicans, but also don't want to live in cities? There are plenty of people who would prefer to live in more rural places, mountains, etc but don't like or approve of Republican ideologies or politics.

Personally I don't like city living, but I sure as hell don't want to be left behind in some kind of split among a rural/urban divide of the country.

Basically, it's just not that simple. Nothing about this is.

I mean there are no perfect solutions here. I don't have the answers for everything. Just trying to reason out the best way forward with the least potential for conflict. I like rural living too. I love the outdoors and everything. I'd still choose living in a city state situation as opposed to being around people that deny the humanity of others.
 

vrietje

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Dec 4, 2018
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I mean there are no perfect solutions here. I don't have the answers for everything. Just trying to reason out the best way forward with the least potential for conflict. I like rural living too. I love the outdoors and everything. I'd still choose living in a city state situation as opposed to being around people that deny the humanity of others.
Wel it is the problem with voting district for 1 seat. get most votes and you can ignore all others. Don't know but going of how the US presidency elections work you don't even need 50% + 1 vote to win a disctrict.
 

JasoNsider

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Oct 25, 2017
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Shaming people for not leaving ("you're helping finance a fascist state!") or leaving ("you should stay and fight to turn Texas blue!") is so asinine either way. Christ.

I don't blame anyone for wanting to bail from that shithole. But I also don't blame anyone who has roots, family, job security etc. for staying either because it's not that fucking simple. Can't believe this needs to even be said...

I feel for all the sane Texans out there.

Non US citizen looking in on this, and your reply is on the money. There are a shocking amount of people in this thread that are downplaying the difficulty of moving and a lot of people who believe it's somebody's duty to stay and fight like heroics have anything to do with it. If you can and want to bail, by all means you should. There are so many beautiful places in this world that could be your new home. Likewise, if you don't have the means (which is the vast majority of people) or have strong ties to your home, then work for change.
Shaming people from either camp is silly as hell.
 

devenger

The Fallen
Oct 29, 2017
2,734
Until we do something about gerrymandering in Texas, we are screwed. Until Congress has the votes to do something about gerrymandering, we are screwed. Republicans know how to obstruct, attack and destroy, and they are good at it. They dont do much else. Again, Im not moving, but its scary and demoralizing, for sure.
 

Gwarm

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Nov 13, 2017
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Non US citizen looking in on this, and your reply is on the money. There are a shocking amount of people in this thread that are downplaying the difficulty of moving and a lot of people who believe it's somebody's duty to stay and fight like heroics have anything to do with it. If you can and want to bail, by all means you should. There are so many beautiful places in this world that could be your new home. Likewise, if you don't have the means (which is the vast majority of people) or have strong ties to your home, then work for change.
Shaming people from either camp is silly as hell.
Not to mention half the people saying you should just move probably also say shit like "stop moving here, we're full" when discussing the high housing cost in blue states. Basically get fucked, you can never win.
 

FirMatt

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Oct 25, 2017
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Y'all need to stop telling people to up and leave when a lot of you can't even be assed to volunteer your time and strength for the minorities you claim to give a shit about in your own local areas.

I currently have no income, and even I could scrounge up enough money by selling my possessions for a bus/Amtrak ticket out of town to somewhere more progressive. I'm queer too, and if I lived in Texas right now, I'd be saving every penny I have to escape.

Y'all see the queer equivalent of Handmaids Tale playing out in front of our eyes in Texas, don't you?

Those telling folks to stay put makes me think of those telling Jewish people in Germany in the early 1930s to stay put. Remind me again, what good did that do?
 

jalkerway

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Oct 27, 2017
273
Using anecdotal and hypothetical scenarios is fine, but here's another one: How the hell is a family of 4, with one steady income, a dog, a trans child, and zero family friends or job prospects outside of Texas just going to up and move? Sell all of their stuff to take a bus to where?
 

geardo

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Oct 27, 2017
1,318
Using anecdotal and hypothetical scenarios is fine, but here's another one: How the hell is a family of 4, with one steady income, a dog, a trans child, and zero family friends or job prospects outside of Texas just going to up and move? Sell all of their stuff to take a bus to where?

This is where ideally we would have adequate assistance programs in place that will resettle people with housing and income assistance to their desired areas. Yeah it's a hard nut to crack though.
 

mbpm

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Oct 25, 2017
23,530
Wish we could just end this charade of a country man. I agree that a split is in the country's future but these states are all fucking trash. Wish we could all agree to split up based on the rural/urban divide. They can have their unincorporated rural territories or whatever they want, and the rest of us could basically live in city states moving forward.

Maybe we could agree on some mutual things like maintaining an army and stuff but that's about it. Anyone stuck in the rural areas that wants to live in the cities gets the assistance that they need to make the transition and vice versa. Eh 🤷‍♂️
I feel if we do that some sections are going to do things like not give the city areas food and things will get real messy real fast.
 

olag

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
2,106
Ahh yes the GOP , bringing back the good old days one oppressed minority group at a time.

Well it seems like any challenge to this is doomed to fail in the supreme Court and unless the senate goes dem heavily, I think America is gonna be pretty interesting for anyone not a straight white guy.
 

geardo

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Oct 27, 2017
1,318
I feel if we do that some sections are going to do things like not give the city areas food and things will get real messy real fast.

The cities would need to have some rural areas that they control purely for their agricultural needs. That would be part of negotiating a split.
 

Nepenthe

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Oct 25, 2017
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I currently have no income, and even I could scrounge up enough money by selling my possessions for a bus/Amtrak ticket out of town to somewhere more progressive. I'm queer too, and if I lived in Texas right now, I'd be saving every penny I have to escape.

Y'all see the queer equivalent of Handmaids Tale playing out in front of our eyes in Texas, don't you?

Those telling folks to stay put makes me think of those telling Jewish people in Germany in the early 1930s to stay put. Remind me again, what good did that do?
The point is not to tell people what to do. The point is to offer support in whatever they decide to do.

If you can leave, great. I'm not gonna stop you, nor tell you you're obligated to stay and fight. If you are staying because you have no choice, then it's up to folks who supposedly care to offer up support and defense, in and out of the state.

Telling people who have told you time and time again "I cannot leave" that they need to leave anyway is a waste of everyone's time, unless you've got a place for them outside of Texas to stay.
 

Morrigan

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Oct 24, 2017
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I currently have no income, and even I could scrounge up enough money by selling my possessions for a bus/Amtrak ticket out of town to somewhere more progressive. I'm queer too, and if I lived in Texas right now, I'd be saving every penny I have to escape.

Y'all see the queer equivalent of Handmaids Tale playing out in front of our eyes in Texas, don't you?

Those telling folks to stay put makes me think of those telling Jewish people in Germany in the early 1930s to stay put. Remind me again, what good did that do?
There's a difference between "stop telling people who can't leave that they have to leave" and "you should stay put" so I really don't understand your post...
 
Feb 9, 2018
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Typical christofascist bullshit. At least they aren't beating around the bush with dog-whistle bullshit and just flat-out say what they've believed for decades. Right-wingers have wanted to roll back every bit of progress made in this country. If they had their way, American society and politics would be back where it was 200 years ago, when only straight white land-owning males could vote or have any power or rights, and the poor were left to die in gutters. These people are still sore that slavery was abolished, that the South lost the Civil War, that women & minorities got the vote, and that their religious beliefs stopped carrying the force of law.


This right here, though, is just stupidly nonsensical:

Ensuring "freedom to travel" by opposing Biden's Clean Energy Plan and "California-style, anti-driver policies," including efforts to turn traffic lanes over for use by pedestrians, cyclists and mass transit.

My inner urbanist is crying right now. This "cars=freedom" bit makes precisely zero sense to me. How is being forced to own a machine that costs thousands each year to fuel, maintain, and insure just so I can put up with the least efficient and most dangerous form of transportation known to man "freedom"? Apparently, bike lanes, pedestrian-friendly development, and mass transit are "communism" while stroads, freeways, and soul-crushing traffic are "capitalism." That entire bullet point in that list of fascist idiocy sounds to me more like something that exists purely to prop up oil and auto companies.

Cars suck.

 
Oct 29, 2017
13,470
Curious to see what percentage of folks saying things like "just leave the state!" or "let them secede!" are living in safely blue states. It's not so simple for those of us living in red states. Most people can't afford to just up and leave even if they wanted to. Most people don't want to just up and leave their families or friends, leaving them behind. What we need to do is try and find a way to fix this, not encourage secession.
 

Zethryn

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Oct 27, 2017
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I currently have no income, and even I could scrounge up enough money by selling my possessions for a bus/Amtrak ticket out of town to somewhere more progressive. I'm queer too, and if I lived in Texas right now, I'd be saving every penny I have to escape.

Y'all see the queer equivalent of Handmaids Tale playing out in front of our eyes in Texas, don't you?

Those telling folks to stay put makes me think of those telling Jewish people in Germany in the early 1930s to stay put. Remind me again, what good did that do?

Wtf is this post?

Okay, say you scrounged up enough money to take a bus/Amtrak out. Then what? What's your plan after that ? Do you have a job in this new progressive location? Shelter? Food?

Are you planning on living homeless on the street ? What about your family or friends? What if you have pets?

This is literally ridiculous. Get some perspective please.
 

TrashHeap64

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Dec 7, 2017
1,675
Austin, TX
Wasn't Abbott begging Washington to deliver mobile generators last time the power was fucked? Can't even keep the damn lights on but wants to be it's own country smdh.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I don't know how it is with the Texas GOP, but in my state's party, the platform is hodge podge of the most extreme members' wish lists because at the end of the day, the platform doesn't really mean anything and people just want to get the platform agenda item over with and the people pushing these batshit crazy planks are exhausting to debate with so they just rubber stamp all but the batshitiest crazy planks.

That said.... this is some batshit crazy shit.
 

Eoin

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Oct 27, 2017
7,103
Does this have a chance in hell to pass?
This is a party platform, not an attempt at legislation. There is not an immediate worry about anything passing - the worry (and it is still a large one) is that this indicates that Republican policy is now entirely driven by a mixture of theocratic fascist authoritarianism and contrarian fascist authoritarianism.
 

Mesoian

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Oct 28, 2017
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What the fuck?

Does this have a chance in hell to pass? It sounds more like trolling.

It's performative, but they are telling the world what they are about. What's dangerous is what comes after this. A lot of radicalized people who consider themselves to be victims gathering in one place to "fight the evil that is queers". Shit like this is how things like this:

www.pbs.org

31 members of a white supremacist group arrested near Idaho Pride event

Those arrested came from at least 11 states, including Washington, Oregon, Texas, Utah, Colorado, South Dakota, Illinois, Wyoming, Virginia, and Arkansas, White said.

Become very bloody.
 

Jedi2016

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Oct 27, 2017
15,614
Too bad they can't actually secede, no matter what they *think* the law says. Not without literally fighting another civil war, and despite what they think, that's a fight even Texas can't win.
 

Parthenios

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
13,600
Something I've thought about a lot since DeSantis started his bullshit culture war shit despite ostensibly being governer of a purple state is whether the point of these sorts of things is to to "de-purple" the states by causing left-leaning citizens to move to other states. All the "I'm leaving the state" positions are the point.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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This is a party platform, not an attempt at legislation. There is not an immediate worry about anything passing - the worry (and it is still a large one) is that this indicates that Republican policy is now entirely driven by a mixture of theocratic fascist authoritarianism and contrarian fascist authoritarianism.

It's performative, but they are telling the world what they are about. What's dangerous is what comes after this. A lot of radicalized people who consider themselves to be victims gathering in one place to "fight the evil that is queers". Shit like this is how things like this:

www.pbs.org

31 members of a white supremacist group arrested near Idaho Pride event

Those arrested came from at least 11 states, including Washington, Oregon, Texas, Utah, Colorado, South Dakota, Illinois, Wyoming, Virginia, and Arkansas, White said.

Become very bloody.
Technically, what would need to happen for the GOP to be able to pass some of these laws in Texas?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Does this have a chance in hell to pass? It sounds more like trolling.
Like I said, I don't know how the Texas GOP works, but platforms tend to be party activists' wish lists. The party ostensibly supports these positions, but that doesn't mean they'll push equally hard on all of them.

Some of these might not even have 50% within the party, they just get passed in to the platform because the platform doesn't really matter so no one reads the planks and they just want to move on to the next agenda item.

20 years ago the Iowa GOP passed a platform plank regarding 4-H ribbons because 4-H had the audacity to award more ribbons, nothing came of the plank except as joke fodder for 4-H staffers to this day.

Technically, what would need to happen for the GOP to be able to pass some of these laws in Texas?
Elected officials would have to write legislation, get enough votes to pass them, and have them signed by the governor. Some of these planks might not even have 50% support within the party (like the federal reserve plank,) so getting enough votes would be difficult. Other (like the LGBTQ+ bullshit) probably have wide support within the party, so getting them passed and signed would be easier.
 

Greg NYC3

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Oct 26, 2017
12,467
Miami
Something I've thought about a lot since DeSantis started his bullshit culture war shit despite ostensibly being governer of a purple state is whether the point of these sorts of things is to to "de-purple" the states by causing left-leaning citizens to move to other states. All the "I'm leaving the state" positions are the point.
FL was a true purple state about ten years ago but the influx of South Americans fleeing socialist coups have tilted the balance for at least another decade to the GOP.

There's still a chance the FL GOP messes things up to the point where the Dems can win here again but the FL Dems really need to clean house and reorganize. I wish Stacey would come help them get their shit together but she has enough on her plate.
 

mrbogus

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Jul 14, 2019
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There needs to be a federal relocation program for people who would become effectively refugees in would-be secessionist states. It certainly wouldn't happen under Biden, and a likely very right-wing government this year will ensure it won't happen for quite some time, but plans need to drawn up if Texas is getting this radically anti-union.
 

Naijaboy

The Fallen
Mar 13, 2018
15,249
Typical christofascist bullshit. At least they aren't beating around the bush with dog-whistle bullshit and just flat-out say what they've believed for decades. Right-wingers have wanted to roll back every bit of progress made in this country. If they had their way, American society and politics would be back where it was 200 years ago, when only straight white land-owning males could vote or have any power or rights, and the poor were left to die in gutters. These people are still sore that slavery was abolished, that the South lost the Civil War, that women & minorities got the vote, and that their religious beliefs stopped carrying the force of law.


This right here, though, is just stupidly nonsensical:



My inner urbanist is crying right now. This "cars=freedom" bit makes precisely zero sense to me. How is being forced to own a machine that costs thousands each year to fuel, maintain, and insure just so I can put up with the least efficient and most dangerous form of transportation known to man "freedom"? Apparently, bike lanes, pedestrian-friendly development, and mass transit are "communism" while stroads, freeways, and soul-crushing traffic are "capitalism." That entire bullet point in that list of fascist idiocy sounds to me more like something that exists purely to prop up oil and auto companies.

Cars suck.


Moving around in NYC with 24/7 transportation was great, long times aside. Then when I got back to Houston at night I could only reach downtown before I needed a far to get the rest of the way. It would have cost me just as much getting from the Houston Airport to home by car that one night as it did the entire week moving around NYC.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Like I said, I don't know how the Texas GOP works, but platforms tend to be party activists' wish lists. The party ostensibly supports these positions, but that doesn't mean they'll push equally hard on all of them.

Some of these might not even have 50% within the party, they just get passed in to the platform because the platform doesn't really matter so no one reads the planks and they just want to move on to the next agenda item.

20 years ago the Iowa GOP passed a platform plank regarding 4-H ribbons because 4-H had the audacity to award more ribbons, nothing came of the plank except as joke fodder for 4-H staffers to this day.


Elected officials would have to write legislation, get enough votes to pass them, and have them signed by the governor. Some of these planks might not even have 50% support within the party (like the federal reserve plank,) so getting enough votes would be difficult. Other (like the transgender bullshit) probably have wide support within the party, so getting them passed and signed is probably easier.
Thank you for the detailed reply, I missed your previous one.
This situation is terrifying. Even as an empty threat that would carry heavy federal repercussions (and thus have next to no chance of becoming state law) it still feels like stepping right up to the abyss. As to the more realistic ones, I don't understand how other states would be ok with continuing normal relations with Texas.
 
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Mesoian

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Oct 28, 2017
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Technically, what would need to happen for the GOP to be able to pass some of these laws in Texas?

The ones they have a shot at, they are passing right now. Repealing trans healthcare, queer protections, reducing education, reissuing voter blocks to favor whom they want, that's all passing or passed, no getting around that. But things like secession? Abolishing their responsibilities to the treasury? Meaningfully labeling queer people as a mental health issue? Those aren't things they can actually do, it's things they say to inform intent.

Like, make no mistake, if Texas secedes, everyone in that state, not just queer people, is fucked. No military, no police organization, all of the national resources are privatized, the only people they could trade for for food is from mexico and they've been fucking that up all year to be performative...

It's as many people said, this is desperate thrashing in attempts to rally against an ever growing purple presence in Texas, paired with the fact that most southern US culture is mired in racism and jingoism. They're saying what the people want to hear and are hoping they can create a social environment so toxic that people who don't share their views leave or are kicked out. The real problem is that they know no one else in power will hold them to these insane claims, so when we are met with another huge wave of violence, they'll move with impunity.

Like, if the public won't do anything about these claims and the government won't do anything about these claims, then what's to stop them from making them?
 

Tahnit

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Oct 25, 2017
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Lol. Let them secede. Once the federal government stops giving them any sort of funding they will collapse. Idiots.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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The ones they have a shot at, they are passing right now. Repealing trans healthcare, queer protections, reducing education, reissuing voter blocks to favor whom they want, that's all passing or passed, no getting around that. But things like secession? Abolishing their responsibilities to the treasury? Meaningfully labeling queer people as a mental health issue? Those aren't things they can actually do, it's things they say to inform intent.

Like, make no mistake, if Texas secedes, everyone in that state, not just queer people, is fucked. No military, no police organization, all of the national resources are privatized, the only people they could trade for for food is from mexico and they've been fucking that up all year to be performative...

It's as many people said, this is desperate thrashing in attempts to rally against an ever growing purple presence in Texas, paired with the fact that most southern US culture is mired in racism and jingoism. They're saying what the people want to hear and are hoping they can create a social environment so toxic that people who don't share their views leave or are kicked out. The real problem is that they know no one else in power will hold them to these insane claims, so when we are met with another huge wave of violence, they'll move with impunity.

Like, if the public won't do anything about these claims and the government won't do anything about these claims, then what's to stop them from making them?
Are there no legal repercussions on a federal level for having such an unconstitutional platform?
If this were the charter of a private organisation, the FBI or NSA would already be spying on them.

Alternatively, what about independent sanctions by other states?
 

DevilMayGuy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Texas
Loonies even within the party are the ones who set the planks. This isn't similar to legislation, it's just the weirdos who are odd enough to actually attend these conferences pushing their wacko ideas. That's not to say that it isn't dangerous or that it doesn't reflect a rightward push by the Texas GOP, but it's not quite as dire as "this is the legislation the national GOP will enact in the upcoming term"

Many of these positions don't even have broad support within the party
 

Ripcord

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Oct 30, 2017
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Fuck moving. You ain't making it out. Arm up, get some armor. Arm your communities and get ready to fight for your lives.
 

Mesoian

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Oct 28, 2017
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Are there no legal repercussions on a federal level for having such an unconstitutional platform?
If this were the charter of a private organisation, the FBI or NSA would already be spying on them.

Bigotry isn't a crime and you have the freedom to say whatever you want.

But I'm sure someone is keeping a close eye on all this. The problem is are those people in line with all this or not? History has shown that there's no reason to believe the federal agencies will do the right thing should shit pop off.

Alternatively, what about independent sanctions by other states?

To be perfectly honest, the only sanctions that would move the needle here would be corporations actively leaving Texas over this, and not only are they not leaving, they're also entering in droves due to the tax cuts and bringing tons of people along with them. This won't be a Georgia situation.
 

Eoin

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Oct 27, 2017
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Technically, what would need to happen for the GOP to be able to pass some of these laws in Texas?
Depends on which ones you mean. This is more of a briefly outlined wishlist than anything resembling a law, so for anything they want to implement the first thing they'd generally need to do would be draft legislation and then get it passed and signed.

Some of what's here is law or effectively law already, so they don't have to do anything about that. They might try to reinforce it, however. Some other stuff is just a weird policy version of fan fiction. A bunch of other stuff can only be achieved at the federal level and in a lot of cases, not even then (anything that talks about amending the US constitution isn't going to happen).

If they tried to legislate any substantial portion of this, they'd probably struggle to do so right now (and a lot of it is impossible so they'd definitely fail on those), so although that's still potentially a serious issue, it's not the biggest one. The biggest worry is more along the lines of this kind of platform becoming how the Texas Republican base judge their politicians, to the point where broad support for this kind of platform becomes mandatory for Republicans who want to win primaries in Texas, including presidential primaries.