Anyway, the ending still reminds me of that part in FF 8 where the party finds out they are all from the same orphanage but just forgot because they all use Gfs. It was the dumbest thing.
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Tetsuya Nomura: " If we divide (FF7R) into large parts, it'll take longer to make, [...] Faster development if parts are smaller" (SPOILERS)
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There was never any consistency lol, it was ramping up continuously with more and more crazy shit. This "consistency" is just "what there was", there was always room for more crazy stuff next to all the crazy stuff we saw.
This is ridiculous, OTT, sci-fi, anime af nonsense. Acting like time-travel jumps the shark is completely dishonest.
Now that you mention it, Uncharted has bullet time too if you unlock it in the cheats meny.
Finally I can get that young Sully Old Drake game I've always wanted!
yes it 100% says so. Yazoo named his weapon Velvet nightmare was the clue and the whisper boss attack is that
They can make however many or little parts as they want. You can't really follow the FF7 blueprint as closely as they did after how FF7R ended, as e.g. the whole encounter with the Midgar Zolom wouldn't work based on current power levels.
Going forward I view the whole 7R project as more of a pseudo-sequel, rather than a regular remake. I'm okay with that. The original will always exist.
Just no.
This is what the book says
It is just a reference for fans
☆オードリーAudrey☆ on Twitter
“In Chapter 18, there are three Whispers of Fate (Rubrum, Viridi, and Croceo) who use a sword, hand combat, & a gun. These three share the same fighting style as Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo from Advent Children. Whisper Croceo has a move called “Velvet Nightmare” = name of Yazoo's gun.”
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That's like complaining there was only one timeline until Marty McFly went back in time and now there are multiple. If the condition for creating multiple timelines is someone has to go back in time and alter the past, then it's kinda self-explanatory why there wouldn't be multiple timelines until Sephiroth created them.
I don't see time travel as being particularly odd in Final Fantasy VII. It's been a big part of MANY Final Fantasy games. Plus, the world of FFVII, especially Midgar, is a pseudo-cyberpunk fantasy fusion with mad scientists, robots, and all sorts of crazy stuff. Whether or not they can pull off whatever it is they are planning remains to be seen but I think it's a silly thing to get hung up on.
It does open up interesting possibilities. Some that are interesting and some that could be a disaster. Ultimately I would prefer the games still remain reasonably true to the original game while playing around with this multiple timeline/parallel dimensions/time travel/destiny or whatever stuff they want to do. While I'm okay with not getting a 1-to-1 remake, I was hoping for a modern retelling of the game and not something that starts off as that and then becomes something completely different.
It does open up interesting possibilities. Some that are interesting and some that could be a disaster. Ultimately I would prefer the games still remain reasonably true to the original game while playing around with this multiple timeline/parallel dimensions/time travel/destiny or whatever stuff they want to do. While I'm okay with not getting a 1-to-1 remake, I was hoping for a modern retelling of the game and not something that starts off as that and then becomes something completely different.
Just no.
This is what the book says
☆オードリーAudrey☆ on Twitter
“In Chapter 18, there are three Whispers of Fate (Rubrum, Viridi, and Croceo) who use a sword, hand combat, & a gun. These three share the same fighting style as Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo from Advent Children. Whisper Croceo has a move called “Velvet Nightmare” = name of Yazoo's gun.”
Uh I posted that in a spoiler tag or did you miss it last page? Not sure what you are trying to prove by giving me the same link.
That in no way that tweet means they are those characters. They even have their own names. It is just a reference. You are reaching by a lot
Also the thread title assumes spoilers are ok so I dont feel like tagging helps here
For could, you can add time travel to fucking everything. We saw Nomura adding Time Travel to a story with Mickey Mouse on it.
But it has to be consistent within the world is created. The excuse of 'well, you never saw the WHOLE universe' doesn't work, because at that point you never saw the WHOLE universe of almost any story. You never saw the WHOLE Universe of Max Payne so it could have time travel because Max Payne world could be part of Control's world so yadda yadda yadda.
The question is not 'Max Payne could totally have time travel because Control is part of that game universe', the question is how consistent is time travel within what's presented in Max Payne, it's theming and it's characters.
Basically this:
So, pet theory for how they handle player strength in Part 2...
A mysterious ninja steals all your materia and equipment at the beginning of the game except for your primary weapons. (and some basic materia)
A mysterious ninja steals all your materia and equipment at the beginning of the game except for your primary weapons. (and some basic materia)
and it's going to be annoying how they have to accommodate for new comers in literally every part, the difficulty scaling through out the series would be a messy line of waves
and then the new comers are going to ask stupid questions like ''do I have to play part 1 to get into this?'' so naturally they are going to adjust the storytelling as well
But Marty McFly is the main character of a movie called BACK TO THE FUTURE
BACK
TO
THE
FUTURE
I thought it was new things at first too. No need to be so rude but now I agree it is confirmed. That's all I'm saying here and if you disagree you are more than welcome to.
Time travel is just another sci-fi/fantasy power mate. It can be tech powered or magic. And with all the other crazy OTT tech and magic in FF7, it fits perfectly.
And most people like the ending, btw, so it obviously landed more than it didn't.
You missed their point entirely.
I'm definitely turning off tutorials in the next part, that's for sure :) they were a little heavy handed in FF7R (even including spoilers to some extend in the tutorials)
I don't think they'll necessarily have to make it as self-contained as Part 1. They can easily brand Part 2 a sequel, no harm there.
These guys are like 50+ years old, for all we know this would be their final major project before retirement.
It's perfectly reasonable that they would not want this project to be dragged out.
Yeah, I disagree beacuse I read that and can grasp context, but if you are happy thinking that way good for you.
Just wanted to clarify because I already saw some people getting confused by your made up theory
You are missing mine then.
And liking the ending doesn't have to do anything with how well executed it is. A lot of people who liked it mentioned how further it went to KH level territory.
I'm really not.
It fits perfectly, you're just arbitrarily pulling "time travel" aside from all the other crazy OTT sci-fi powers and tropes because you don't like the direction.
Stretching does feel good, for sure!
Its no more than a made up theory than suggesting a theory that they are new characters when Ultimania explicitly references a future without the whispers. And it's not my theory. I thought it made no sense at first.
By the time the final part comes out we will be playing it with augmented neural technology where the graphics are directly projected into our brain instead of a screen
I wish instead of a total remake they could just do one amazing remaster of the whole game which wouldn't require so much time and recourses and several parts... I guess I'm just alone in this one though.
I really like the remake and what they try to accomplish however unfortunately it's extremely ambitious and would take so many years just to have the complete game.
I really like the remake and what they try to accomplish however unfortunately it's extremely ambitious and would take so many years just to have the complete game.
Oh for fucks sake. Glad I'm bailing out of this mess that the FF7 franchise is becoming after that ending. Just not the way I wanted things to go, which is fine. More power to the people that enjoy it.
It's the Kingdom Hearts way of game development. All that is missing is for each entry to have a batshit tagline, lol.
More than that now that there are also alternative realities in it so they gotta explore what Zack is up to as well
Time travel, multiple timelines, singularities and fighting the embodiment of destiny dosn't really fit between all the mysticism and magic from the original.
wait it either fits or dosn't fit the original, not both lol
Ah yes. How exhausting that people are excited for the potential of the story.
See you're just saying VII was 'crazy' a lot and I don't even know what you're referring to. VII's plot isn't 'crazy' unless you consider anything about magic and fantasy in a story to be 'crazy'.
I don't think talking about how 'crazy' VII is and how much 'crazier' VIIr is really gives a good basis for discussion. Like you can just dismiss anything at that point because you can always go 'more crazy'. Even the Compilation titles largely adhere to the same basic plot framework as VII does, building off the building blocks set by that game.
To just take the extent of what 'crazy' has been in the VII universe, we have Cloud and Sephiroth flying around slicing buildings in half in Advent Children. Lots of people don't like that part of the Compilation and don't really accept that these characters can do this stuff. But if you really want you can still strain a justification by saying 'they are just using their limit breaks' or whatever. It's still far easier to justify than playing with the fabric of reality itself. When I look at Arbiters of Destiny I can't map it to anything in the original game or the other spinoffs. It is completely new and uncharted territory to this universe, that's the thing.
Again I say this all as someone who's COMPLETELY OK with VIIr going off the rails and using Midgar as a springboard for a new story while at the same time accepting that the execution here just isn't good right now. They have to work really hard to cleanly explain this stuff in the next game and make it feel like it's the same world (in a different universe). They did such good world building in the Remake up until that point so I generally have faith that they can do it.
But right now, judging the thing they put out, it is 'crazy' in a not so good way and doesn't really align with previous stuff no matter how hard I try. All of this also hurts speculation about future entries cause of its seeming lack of connection to any of the established rules of this universe.
Over time they can do the narrative work and make this stuff seem like it fits. But it isn't here in this Remake.
I think there should be a space in these threads where can can speculate about all this stuff, say it isn't that good right now while also not be seen as purists necessarily. While I don't think the split in the fanbase is as toxic as Last Jedi I think this sort of thing could happen
Yes it does, you arbitrarily deciding otherwise is just dishonest.
That's not what "the direction" means, no. More dishonest stretching, lol.
unless Zack dies from being shot in the back. That whole scene is suspiciously like the scene in OG FF7
Na mate, time travel fits the completely OTT anime AF sci-fi/fantasy nonsense of FF7 perfectly fine.
Completely arbitrary to try to pull it aside as "inconsistent".
"The direction" doesn't mean "crazy new direction that could never have fit". "The direction" is a common term used to describe ALL aspects of stories going new places... and sequels often go new places, with characters, stories, powers, etc... this is not some unusual thing, and you twisted that comment like you tried to stretch everything else.
You're one of the most dishonest posters I've seen in FF7R threads. Well done.
So? Time travel shows up in a lot of media that doesn't explicitly say WE HAVE TIME TRAVEL in the name. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I ain't gonna sit there and complain that it doesn't fit in Final Fantasy VII until they've at least had a chance to fuck it up first.
For all we know physical time travel itself isn't even a thing, but the Lifestream exists outside of time and Sephiroth merely figured out how to influence the past through it. That would mean Aerith's and Cloud's memories of the future are Sephiroth intentionally fucking with them and he never appears to them physically, either. Then everything that happened in the Singularity, which exists within the Lifestream, including the destruction of the Whispers, happened outside of time and thus explains why destroying them effectively splinters time itself.
They'll find a mini materia in the next game so they can shrink the whole world map.
That or just fly on Bahamut in-between chapters.
So? The movie is about time travel, the plot is built around time travel and so are the characters and story. VII wasn't.
No one ever complained about Back to the future, multiple timelines. It's a movie and universe built around time travel.
Is very simple.
