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Tesla kicked out of fatal "autopilot" crash investigation by NTSB (Up: Tesla to complain to congess)
- Thread starter FriskyCanuck
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I am weary of these autopilot cars. Elon musk really comes across as a grifter who is trying to be Tony Stark. Unfortunately Tony Stark is a fictional character but his investors don't seem to understand that. People with too much money seem to believe his marketing. I fear that he's going to turn out to be like the Theranos lady or the Wework people.
No I don't drive, I ride the bus and take the subway. I think that is the real solution to traffic. We need to have robust mass transit solutions everywhere it's feasible.
No reasonable Tesla owner thinks Autopilot is self driving. This guy was arrogant and careless. I use Autopilot daily I can't imagine the level of arrogance required to think you could play a game while it's engaged. It's great to have but it isn't perfect especially when stuff like phantom braking is known to happen (I've experienced it) and this was back in 2018 before all the improvements that have come with subsequent updates.
He would not be dead if he was alert behind the wheel. There was always going to be something here, not looking on the street, phone in hand etc. That's the whole point. Teslas sleazy marketing made him believe he could play games while driving. By posting videos of these cars driving without intervention, by themselves, for miles and miles. Etc.
And that seems to be what more people think if you read the article. A man died. Let the fanboy warring be.
The marketing killed him? The driver has agency, he drove that route probably tens to hundreds of times. We don't blame the car when distracted drivers texting and driving die. Not sure why we're doing that here. If he was paying attention he would still be alive. That's really what it comes down to, he chose to play a game rather than pay attention to the road. Thankfully he didn't crash into anyone else.
There is a difference between people using phones in old ass cars and when using autonomous driving ones. That's like the whole point. Just as a reminder, Musk did an interview in a model S being driven in autopilot and looking at the interviewer. Was he recklessly using his car in this instance?
What a bad take. He knew better. He complained earlier to Tesla that that spot was problematic for autopilot. You have ignored all the posts in here that clearly state in non "sleezy marketing" terms the warnings before and during the process.
Nowhere does it give you any inkling that you can play phone games while you drive. He did it fully knowing that. You don't need a babysitter for adults to make sure they don't do things they've been told multiple ways not to do.
Was he on a controlled road that had been thoroughly tested?
I just found the video, he actually is in a Model 3 at least in the one I saw and he makes eye contact with the road almost exclusively. If there's another of him on an uncontrolled road with him not looking while driving link it please.
Not sure how my Tesla could nag even more when driving on Autopilot, which I rarely do because of that.
I get a message to turn the steering wheel slightly every 10-15 seconds even when I'm driving a straight road with my hands on the wheel.
What more do people expect Tesla to do to keep people's attention on the road?
I thought the crash happened with a Model X?
I get a message to turn the steering wheel slightly every 10-15 seconds even when I'm driving a straight road with my hands on the wheel.
What more do people expect Tesla to do to keep people's attention on the road?
I thought the crash happened with a Model X?
No you found the right video. $TSLAQ, r/realtesla and the Tesla hate brigade have been using the 3 seconds Elon took his hands off the wheel to demonstrate to the reporter that the car was driving as evidence of false nefarious advertising for years now, and because of it every single person that buys a Tesla thinks Autopilot is 100% autonomous and is incapable of basic common sense. It's as ignorant as it is sad.
If you didn't read/decided to ignore the huge disclaimer that you need to accept before you can even use autopilot then that's on you.
The government recommends a more advanced system like a camera which can track where you're looking and even if you're drowsy. I believe they said everyone who has semi-autonomous features followed that recommendation, except tesla. You don't need to be touching the wheel in those systems, you just need to be looking at the road most of the time. It's actually less annoying and does a better job of making sure the driver is ready to take over.
