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Tesla’s newly designed Model S will automatically shift between park, reverse, and drive, eliminating the PRNDL
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First of all: cheaper for the driver and cheaper for the manufacturer are not the same thing.
Secondly: this isn't autonomous driving. I'm not even sure what this is, predictive driving?
Tesla notoriously uses their userbase as beta testers, so... yeah.
Redundancies are (or should be at least) much more difficult to remove when human safety is involved. The last time Jeep tried to eliminate redundancies with PRND it killed Anton Yelchin
Anton Yelchin Received Jeep Recall Notice 7 Days After His Death
Yelchin's family filed a wrongful death lawsuit Tuesday against Fiat Chrysler, alleging a defect in his Jeep Grand Cherokee's gear shifter caused his death
variety.com
It's a pathway to autonomous driving. You can't build an actual steam engine in 0AD even if you have the plans, you need the infrastructure to get there, which itself must be sustained. That happens incrementally.
I mean, 2006 was 15 years ago. MIT just put out a pretty lengthy research piece on this exact topic last July and we're still 'at least a decade' (more certainly decades) away from that level of autonomy, especially on any appreciable scale.
Fully autonomous driving is really besides the point here; we'd need more redundancies at those levels, not less.
There's a difference between self driving where the car knows where it wants to go and what direction it needs to go in to get there and... me wanting to go somewhere and the car apparently just knowing if I want to go forwards or backwards?
Removing the stick doesn't change anything for the development of autonomous cars, gears currently used in (premium) serial car can be driven by algorithm in addition to the stick.
That's definitely a concern. I don't see what that has to do with switching via touch controls though.
I think your case probably wouldn't be that much of an issue though, especially if you had entered a destination.
There is a very significant difference between this and autonomous driving.
With autonomous driving the car knows the intended destination.
With this the car is attempting to guess at the user's intention.
This is not a pathway to autonomous driving, this is a needless attempt to reduce user input and control during normal driving.
Also, I dunno if you'd noticed but they've actually been doing a pretty decent job at developing autonomous driving without needing to do this.
The issue is more that the car can change your gear without you being aware of it. So when you accelerate, you go the opposite direction you expected to. Which humans don't react well to.
"Car guesses drive direction based on what obstacles it sees, context & nav map," Musk tweeted. "After you drive without using a PRND stalk/stick for a few days, it gets very annoying to go back & use a shifter! You can override on touchscreen."
Yes; how do you know you have to override it though? The main issue is not that the stick changed to buttons (though that is another discussion), it's that the car chooses a gear without your input (and therefore potentially knowledge).
How would you park in a grassy area? What if you needed to move your car on the curb because of street flooding? This is precisely why I do not at all agree with removing steering wheels/pedals from fully autonomous cars either.
Well I guess if you don't want to use the feature you override it? I never used FaceID on my iPhone.
Don't need a stick shift if the car doesn't have a transmission.
What does that have to do with looking at a screen specifically being dangerous?
I understand the concerns people have about getting used to the automated switching and having it fail. The post I quoted said they were concerned with the fact that the manual switching is on a touch screen. That doesn't seem ideal to me, I'd far rather have a traditional gear selector, but I don't see how it's dangerous.
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There are two possible scenarios here:
1. The system gets it wrong often enough that the user won't trust it so they'll simply choose to override it most of the time rendering it pointless in the first place.
2. It works often enough that the user grows to trust it and eventually someone becomes complacent and drives out into traffic instead of reversing further down their drive.
As a side note: I'm all for autonomous driving but as I said before this is not autonomous driving. This is mixing human driving (which we all know isn't exactly brilliant) with predictive technology which will fail from time to time.
Yeah Mr. 0 cases of covid by last April, I'll let you decide whether I want to go forward or backward out of a space.
Nothing indicates you can not use?
The issue is that the car choses your gear, meaning when accelerating from standstill (assuming the gear is only changed in standstill), you can never 100% be sure in which direction you'll go. Which is a serious security hazard.
As shown by the people that accidentally mistake the brake and acceleration pedal (and their reaction of accelerating even more instead of braking), humans don't react well to cars not acting like they expect to.
Oh yeah sorry, didn't go back in your discussion enough to see that.
Touchscreens are more failure prone than sticks, but yeah, my main concern really isn't there.
The looking point is important though, because that's the core of the issue: if you are standing, and for whatever emergency reason, you have to accelerate or go backwards, that feature is the worst thing I can think of, as you'll never be sure which direction you'll go without looking at the gear status. time you don't have (or thing you don't think to do) in an emergency situation.
What if there's a little arrow showing the direction it's going to go in? And you just set it manually if you want? You have to look at your stick shift before going forward or in reverse no?
No.
If you've passed your driver's test you should not need to be looking at the stick to know what position it's in.
Regardless, if you have to check whether or not it has chosen the correct direction every time what's the point in the first place?
It's going to save so little effort/time.
Well now you do have to look at it before switching direction. It's safer. Oh the horror.
If I was driving in D and come to a stop, no I don't have to look at it to know I'll move forward if I let go of the brake / accelerate. That's the main point: as I am still the driver, and not the AI, I know what gear I am into; I also know in which direction I want to go; ergo I know if I have to change gear or not. Which is exactly what I can't do with this feature without adding an unnecessary (and potentially confusing) step.
The arrow is a poor help in emergency situations.
It's also much longer, something you have to learn to do (as no other car forces you to do this) and are unlikely to think about doing in stressful situations.
All of which are safety hazards.
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I'm always bothered when driving by having to decide if I should be in park, reverse, or drive...
No, you don't need to look because the stick provides tactile feedback. Also, you as the driver will have placed the stick in its current position.
You know which gear you're in without needing to look.
And as I said before, if you're forced to check which direction it has chosen every time what's the benefit?
Agreed, some things are better physical because you can learn them without looking. Glass doesn't do it.
I'd like to see someone do an emergency stop then reverse without spending 5 seconds faffing with some touchscreen buttons.
The interior is awesome but the exterior is dated,. Love that steering wheel can't wait to try it
Ha, this just cements that when I finally do move on to an electric car it ain't gonna be a Tesla.
what if you have to go in reverse in a long drive way? it would be clear in front of you so would it know to go in reverse?
This was easily the funniest part of that movie for me
OT: I'm glad I'm not someone that has to be responsible for what this software does
I cant afford electric car yet so I have to use the standard one with stick.
