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Terry Crews criticised for saying children of same-sex parents are ‘severely malnourished’, has since apologized and deleted comment
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Trans people get very little support on this site of the issue isn't about something political (i.e. the Trump admin trying to ban trans service members).
Another way to look at it: his takeaway could have been that good parenting, full stop, is important.
Clearly being a father means a lot for Terry. I understand where he is coming from, but he's still wrong about same sex couples.
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I mean, there's an argument to be made about it being important for a child to have both good female and male role models, but that doesn't mean they have to be parental figures.
If Terry is out here making transphobic remarks too then that's pretty disappointing. You can only hope that he's able to shut up, listen, and reflect on what he's said
Well, everything he lists as specifically something you only get from your father are things I associate with my mother, so I'm still going to say this is a top shelf bullshit take. Very disappointing from Terry.
Terry doesn't have a history of this.
So yeah, I'm willing to overlook something dumb he typed on Twitter.
I mean he's also done plenty of blatantly transphobic posts, but those don't count right?
If anything that makes things worse.
That article is fine, and an essential part of the debate Obama is engaging in. Why does the fact that it was written by a woman change that?
He would have been fine to say just that. But that's not all he said.
Disappointing, but as others have said he's got previously erroneous understandings. Hopefully this will be a learning experience and it does change his world views moving forward
If he did then I'm surprised there hasn't been a thread here on it. Or maybe I missed it but I have not been following his Twitter and that doesn't sound good at all.
He holds some very conservative gender essentialists views. He thinks that it's a mans job to teach a man how to be a man and women are inherently not suited for that task.
There's not enough people out there who are as progressive as I'd like. While I don't agree with everything he says, I personally am not ready to cancel Crews just yet. He seems open minded enough to learn. Won't be anyone left to cancel sooner or later at this rate.
FUUUUUCK, not you terry what the hell
I don't care about celebrities in general, but he was one of the only celebrity i genuinely enjoyed
That's so freaking dumb... your father give you your name? your inheritance? What is this shit? THe mother can give you exactly the same lmao
Hope he will change his views on this since he always seemed open minded
I don't care about celebrities in general, but he was one of the only celebrity i genuinely enjoyed
That's so freaking dumb... your father give you your name? your inheritance? What is this shit? THe mother can give you exactly the same lmao
Hope he will change his views on this since he always seemed open minded
The point you're trying to make here can't be found amongst all the WAT
Putting it this way, yeah I can see where he's coming from. He's not against the idea of same-sex parents. He's trying to say that as someone who practically only had one parent, he knows what's it like not having a father (or another parent), and that he'd rather not have other kids go through the same thing as he did and that they'd have both parents.
Poorly worded, but really, nothing to blow up over.
That's fucked up and I would've thought Terry of all people would know better.
We don't need the outdated concept of men being men, we need men to be good *people*. Women are more than capable of this. It's like saying father's can't raise their daughters properly. Both are offensive and wrong.
I do think he has some conservative gender essentialists views which means he thinks that men are supposed to teach men how to be men and women aren't suited for that. He is shitting on same sex parenting with that framing
Yeah, no, those tweets are absolutely no good. And he doesn't seem to apologize for the content of them, but rather the wording or something, when it's the sentiment behind them that's the problem. Children do not need both a mother and father in their lives. That's a terrible take that's insulting to not only same-sex parents but also single-parent families and having just one patent or two parents of the same sex in no way, in absolutely no way leaves children "malnourished." There's no research to back that up and the whole idea in the first place is just garbage nonsense through and through that does no one any good.
And I'm not going to accept any "he misspoke" defense from him because he appears to havebeen very clear about what he meant over a series of tweets, and this was not just a one-off tweet but a genuine reflection of his mindset that he appeared to have doubled and tripled down on until he deleted them. Heard that same homophobic nonsense all the time during the gay marriage debate, from people willing to throw single-parent units under the bus if it meant dimping on gsy people as well, and not going to let Terry off the hook here because whatever in the world he meant by his comments it dies the exact same damage to those kind of families and let's those exact same kind if myths perpetuate, which is what I care about, the damage it does, intentional or otherwise. There's nothing lesser or lacking or malnourished about tgise families, nothing.
And I'm not going to accept any "he misspoke" defense from him because he appears to havebeen very clear about what he meant over a series of tweets, and this was not just a one-off tweet but a genuine reflection of his mindset that he appeared to have doubled and tripled down on until he deleted them. Heard that same homophobic nonsense all the time during the gay marriage debate, from people willing to throw single-parent units under the bus if it meant dimping on gsy people as well, and not going to let Terry off the hook here because whatever in the world he meant by his comments it dies the exact same damage to those kind of families and let's those exact same kind if myths perpetuate, which is what I care about, the damage it does, intentional or otherwise. There's nothing lesser or lacking or malnourished about tgise families, nothing.
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I don't get why everything has to be a fight. If you don't agree with him, whatever. It's his opinion, maybe there's something to it, maybe there's not. It doesn't necessarily mean he's hateful or evil, he just sees the world differently from how you do. It should be possible to hold differing views on social issues without it turning into a war.
Terry seems like a smart enough dude to at least listen, I think he just needs a little perspective on the matter.
Which is something obvious that doesn't need explaining, and also has nothing to do with actual parenting. Anyone can produce a baby and then dump it. He's all over the place and it doesn't have any relevance to the several arguments he seems to be trying to make.
This is awful and not the first time he's done this. He was trying to tell men the importance of being fathers but the moment that the people who were engaging him weren't fathers he shouldn't have been trying to push that narrative. He should have been sensitive to the realities that many of us have grown up with and acknowledged that while it is important for father's to stick around and be part of their children's lives that's not the only path to healthy adulthood. That malnourished line, even in the context of the food metaphor that was going on was pure garbage. He shouldn't have kept pressing it. Glad he apologized and I hope it was because someone finally got through to him how vile what he was saying truly was and not just damage control.
I don't quite follow the logic. I had a similar situation and my takeaway was more "men are trash" and that life would have been significantly easier with just one good parent instead of an additional bad one.
Very simple. I and many other LGBT individuals have the dream of having a
loving partner and starting our own loving family. For a straight person to come for people who only want to live and love in peace with a massive shit take of " Well you DO know that your child isn't going to be loved and nurtured as much as he would be in a traditional family" is absolutely infuriating to me. Also, a massive side-eye at the people in here not seeing the harm in those words or passing them off as " a different POV". Keep showing your asses.
loving partner and starting our own loving family. For a straight person to come for people who only want to live and love in peace with a massive shit take of " Well you DO know that your child isn't going to be loved and nurtured as much as he would be in a traditional family" is absolutely infuriating to me. Also, a massive side-eye at the people in here not seeing the harm in those words or passing them off as " a different POV". Keep showing your asses.
I agree, he said it all wrong and unfortunately doubled down on the poor wording. But the general intent of female and male role models being a positive force for child rearing is not incorrect. However, there is no reason why the role model has to be a parent.
He's a beloved public figure and his speech is hurting people that used to love him. All we want is too him to shut up for a second and listen to why he's opinion is causing damage, but instead he's doubling down on it and mocking people
Terry, you can fuck right off with this shit.
He seems pretty proud of this monumentally stupid belief.
He seems pretty proud of this monumentally stupid belief.
It's a shame. I really liked Terry and considering the amount of hate and nasty comments he's been getting over being sexually assaulted by a male you'd think he would have a bit of perspective and cool his shit.
He is free to believe whatever he wants to believe but the minute you start arguing people down who take offence or are hurt by some of his comments you are no better than the others who mock his sexual assault.
That's a yikes from me. He gets attacked for his shitty views and somehow now it's all about race?
He is free to believe whatever he wants to believe but the minute you start arguing people down who take offence or are hurt by some of his comments you are no better than the others who mock his sexual assault.
That's a yikes from me. He gets attacked for his shitty views and somehow now it's all about race?
There's a bulk of evidence that shows children raised in same-sex families face no worse outcomes than children with mixed-sex parents. Some have even found it more beneficial. Unlike some of my friends, I was wanted from the start and had to be fought for as a direct result of views like yours.
The suggestion that we don't have a 'more complete outlook' because we were raised by two men or two women is just homophobia and deeply offensive, to be honest. It's not accurate.
I grew up without a father period. I don't even know what this nigga look like or what his name is. I made a promise to myself that if I have children imma be in their lives no matter what
I mean, I get it.
Men need to call out men being problematic. Having a good male role model (or father figure) is an extension of that.
But you're fumbling your way through that sentiment through saying a bunch of other stupid shit and unnecessary doubling down.
Terry isn't dumb and has had a history of self improvement so I'd like to hope he can be educated on this aspect.
Men need to call out men being problematic. Having a good male role model (or father figure) is an extension of that.
But you're fumbling your way through that sentiment through saying a bunch of other stupid shit and unnecessary doubling down.
Terry isn't dumb and has had a history of self improvement so I'd like to hope he can be educated on this aspect.
Like, obviously, I can't speak to Terry's childhood and how that affected him, and how he views himself in that context, and if he personally feels his own childhood was lacking in some fashion or another and that's what's informing these tweets, those are his personal feelings on the matter and he has every right to them. But at the same time, while I can't speak to his personal feelings, nor can he speak for anyone else. And using his personal childhood or whatever he's doing here to generalize his experience to other people that grew up in a single-parent/essentially a single-parent or same-sex parent environment is incredibly dangerous. He knows his own experience, but that's not the same as others, and while he personally might feel malnourished or whatever because of his experiences, and that's his right, generalizing that to others who come from similar backgrounds when they could easily have different takes and some or even most might disagree with that isn't fair and can only lead to bad things. Speaking for himself is fine. But he crossed the line into making assumptions of others and generalizing that to them, assuming that they must have the same mindsets as him, which isn't cool at all and doesn't help anything.
