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I truly don't think this is the intent of the thread. This is a massive overreaction.
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TERF JK Rowling continues to be a hateful bigot.
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Thank you!
I truly don't think this is the intent of the thread. This is a massive overreaction.
As someone who isn't going to be reading or playing anything HP related until the TERF issues an apology I am with you on disbanding this mega thread. It serves no purpose other than to help people ignore her. But banning HP related content also does the same. Sure don't promote her with multiple threads but completely blocking HP content is counterintuitive.
It would be quite an undertaking to ban all bigoted authors and their works. Where to start,Orson Scott Card? The homophobe.
T.S Eliot and Roald Dahl? The anti-semites
Lovecraft, Scott adams and Dr.Seuss the racists?
The HP game thread has a moderator note iirc informing people JKR is a TERF. If people want can enjoy her work despite that fact then it's on their conscience. But more people should know her stance nevertheless.
It doesn't. Maybe people will take it a bit more seriously if they can't gush over the newest Harry Potter crap on this forum, instead of ignoring all the transphobia and singing the game's (& future movies) praises all over the forum (well... the movies will probably be crap, so not sure about the praising there). Like, yes, THAT'S how bad her crap is that a supposedly semi-demi-proggressive forum like ResetEra doesn't want discussion of her IPs here.
It's really not.
Most of those are dead & there's not a whole lot of activity related to their work (adaptations, video games or even just discussion of their own body of work), so letting a thread happen once per millenia or something isn't that big of a deal (like, I searched for Ender's Game and that brought up one thread if only searching for thread titles). Lovecraft gets mentioned here and there (though I've moved on to use Eldritchian rather than Lovecraftian when discussing the fear of the unknown/cosmic horrors, just to take it a bit further away from acknowledging his name/influence, because FUCK Lovecraft).
And even the one who isn't dead out of those is hardly all that influental nowadays, nor in control & directly benefitting from the continued success of one of the most massive franchises in the world or using every bit of their vast influence to drive through their bigotry. JK Rowling is simply on a whole different level to anyone you could bring up in your whataboutism, actually actively affecting anti-trans policy-making around the world (anglosphere at the very least, probably elsewhere too where bigots are in power & appreciative of as powerful an ally as JK Rowling is to anti-trans causes). Very few give a shit about what Orson Scott Card says or does nowadays.
It's already been proven that having a mod message for 'educational purposes' about how awful JK is regarding threads about the wizard game doesn't work, users here simply ignore it because they don't give a fuck and that's been proven time and time again(remember the poll threads?) The only people at this point who don't know JKs stance at this point are people who are willingly ignorant and no amount of 'education' is going to do anything.
Honestly don't know what to say about the ridiculous whataboutism above, yeah let's compare Rowling, one of the most powerful and influential authors in the world right now who also writes transphobic books under a pen name of a gay conversion therapist, a woman actively using her position right now to make the lives for trans people worldwide harder than it already is but especially the hundreds of thousands of trans people in the UK, driving people to self harm/suicide attempts, to some authors who are either dead or basically irrelevant compared to her. Last time I checked dead people aren't spreading their bigotry in person so honestly get the fuck out of here with that shit.
I've made my stance clear already, she should be deplatformed here completely but I already know that isn't happening because of arbitrary reasons.
Honestly don't know what to say about the ridiculous whataboutism above, yeah let's compare Rowling, one of the most powerful and influential authors in the world right now who also writes transphobic books under a pen name of a gay conversion therapist, a woman actively using her position right now to make the lives for trans people worldwide harder than it already is but especially the hundreds of thousands of trans people in the UK, driving people to self harm/suicide attempts, to some authors who are either dead or basically irrelevant compared to her. Last time I checked dead people aren't spreading their bigotry in person so honestly get the fuck out of here with that shit.
I've made my stance clear already, she should be deplatformed here completely but I already know that isn't happening because of arbitrary reasons.
For anyone reading and not understanding why Redmayne's comments are harmful, please consider this.
What he's saying can be seen as reasonable at a glance. He's calling out the specific, vitriolic, violent, hateful comments specifically and not the general condemnation of Rowlin'gs bigotry.
The issue here is that while some of those comments are indeed disgusting and incredibly counterintuitive, they are an extreme minority. Most people are not doing this. Most of the people angrily calling her out are not doing this either, anger itself is a valid response to hateful bigotry and is largely NOT the way these people try to frame it in their defense. There is also going to be a good deal of trolling from people who want to paint the movement against her as violent and hateful.
The point is that Rowling is using the extreme minority of responses like this to use as a shield against the entire movement, and it is rallying people to her side. And comments like Redmayne's lend credence to the idea that these comments are more prevalent than they are, and help skew the idea that general anger and condemnation is "violent misogyny" when it's a necessary response.
People like Redmayne should be calling attention to this, the fact that the vast majority of he movement against her is angry for a GOOD reason and is not resorting to the kind of hateful violence she is trying to use as a shield.
This is especially frustrating when that kind of hate is actually far more prevalent with TERF rhetoric and anti-trans sentiment. Remember, this entire thing is against Rowling's ignorant, pretty, hateful bigotry... she is using her platform to deny the rights of vulnerable people. On the opposing side is people just trying to exist without being denied, marginalized, and attacked. Anger on one side is justified, even hate to a degree. The other side has NO justification for their anger and attacks and hate, and THAT is the thing we need to focus on with 100% of our energy.
What he's saying can be seen as reasonable at a glance. He's calling out the specific, vitriolic, violent, hateful comments specifically and not the general condemnation of Rowlin'gs bigotry.
The issue here is that while some of those comments are indeed disgusting and incredibly counterintuitive, they are an extreme minority. Most people are not doing this. Most of the people angrily calling her out are not doing this either, anger itself is a valid response to hateful bigotry and is largely NOT the way these people try to frame it in their defense. There is also going to be a good deal of trolling from people who want to paint the movement against her as violent and hateful.
The point is that Rowling is using the extreme minority of responses like this to use as a shield against the entire movement, and it is rallying people to her side. And comments like Redmayne's lend credence to the idea that these comments are more prevalent than they are, and help skew the idea that general anger and condemnation is "violent misogyny" when it's a necessary response.
People like Redmayne should be calling attention to this, the fact that the vast majority of he movement against her is angry for a GOOD reason and is not resorting to the kind of hateful violence she is trying to use as a shield.
This is especially frustrating when that kind of hate is actually far more prevalent with TERF rhetoric and anti-trans sentiment. Remember, this entire thing is against Rowling's ignorant, pretty, hateful bigotry... she is using her platform to deny the rights of vulnerable people. On the opposing side is people just trying to exist without being denied, marginalized, and attacked. Anger on one side is justified, even hate to a degree. The other side has NO justification for their anger and attacks and hate, and THAT is the thing we need to focus on with 100% of our energy.
Thanks for waiting everyone. We have deliberated on the matter and decided to reopen the thread regarding Eddie Redmayne. A new thread is appropriate when a public figure has publicly taken a new and newsworthy stance in support of JK Rowling's harmful and transphobic views and actions. Going forward we'll look at each case on its own merits to make sure that this thread is still serving its purpose.
Heya'! I'm popping in here with a couple of questions and, hopefully, you'll understand I'm coming in with good faith.
So, I see how obviously shitty Rowlings' tweets are and this isn't any kind of defense of her or her tweets but I'm curious about the specifics of the lines that were crossed in them. If you don't want to educate a person on this stuff feel free to move along.
I guess I was always under the impression that gender is social and sex is biological. Is the issue that she's excluding trans women because of their sex or is bringing up sex in regards to gender considered transphobic? Aren't the experiences of cis and trans women different enough to inspire separate support/ally-ship? Is that perspective problematic, or is the problem stemming from people who use that as an excuse to gate keep trans women from the feminist community proper?
So, I see how obviously shitty Rowlings' tweets are and this isn't any kind of defense of her or her tweets but I'm curious about the specifics of the lines that were crossed in them. If you don't want to educate a person on this stuff feel free to move along.
I guess I was always under the impression that gender is social and sex is biological. Is the issue that she's excluding trans women because of their sex or is bringing up sex in regards to gender considered transphobic? Aren't the experiences of cis and trans women different enough to inspire separate support/ally-ship? Is that perspective problematic, or is the problem stemming from people who use that as an excuse to gate keep trans women from the feminist community proper?
I'll let more knowledgeable people answer most of your post/in more detail, but I'll just point out that cis women aren't a monolith. There are masculine women who get treated way differently from feminine ones, black women face different situations than white women, lesbians can hardly describe their lives to be similar to straight women, and while a lot of women are rape victims, not all are etc. etc. Cis women's experiences, although overlapping in many areas, can be so varied that it's dumb to use someone being a trans woman as the divider that denies someone their womanhood & human rights.
Gender roles are social, gender identity is your inner sense of what gender you are. They are separate things.
If you mean 'bringing up sex in regards to gender' as in trans women are Male and trans men are female then that is transphobic if you do it just to misgender.
It's probably also wrong because medical transition is literally the act of altering sex characteristics.
Regarding the differences between trans and cis women, there is no universal female experience. A woman who is a rich white writer will have have a vastly different experience from a woman in a working class family. Or living in the UK and China. And many other things. Like being cis and trans. None of them disqualify them from being women however.
I can't believe these people are being so rude and emotional to this rich woman who is trying to politely invalidate the existence of a long suffering group of people.
People have every right to be angry at her trying to use her influence make these peoples lives even worse. She's not the victim here.
People have every right to be angry at her trying to use her influence make these peoples lives even worse. She's not the victim here.
These were the answers I was looking for. Sometimes this stuff can go so far beyond the realm of my comprehension/experience that I need a little perspective to help me out. So, thanks again.
Rowling and her ilk don't recognize that trans women are just women. They think they're women with an asterisk; worthy of sympathy, but disqualified from "true womanhood" by the genitals they were born with. This belief is demonstrably wrong: if you put JK's brain into a man's body, she remains a woman. Women who are born into bodies that cause them to develop feelings of gender dysphoria are no less women than those who never experience gender dysphoria. This has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt by a massive body of scientific research across multiple disciplines. But JK and her fellow TERFs think they know better.
They also like to point out that if a woman can claim to exist in a man's body, then clearly men can stealth into women's spaces simply by claiming to be women. Not only is this an entirely unfounded fear, but the damage done to trans women by denying them the right to choose the space in which they feel most comfortable is horrific, and results in frequent acts of tangible violence against an already marginalized group of real people. It's worth noting this is equally true of non-binary and agender folk, and the prejudice they endure.
Hopefully that explains both the wrongness of Rowling's stance, as well as the emotional response to her propaganda from progressives.
doesn't Rowling also subscribe to the belief that some trans women are actual trans women and the rest are just faking it? And possibly also that being trans is a disorder
I'm not sure how i'd search to verify this but this is a belief that exists among some terfs (and often among transphobic trans people, to justify them being the good ones) and i somewhat recall Rowling believing at least some of it
I'm not sure how i'd search to verify this but this is a belief that exists among some terfs (and often among transphobic trans people, to justify them being the good ones) and i somewhat recall Rowling believing at least some of it
It's even more stupid how they don't seem to understand how it can & will harm some cis women too. Like this obsession with denying women's bathrooms (or other spaces) from trans women. What happens when they don't believe a cis woman to be a woman?
Then they will blame trans women for introducing the idea of trans people to exist and thus their harassment of this cis woman is also the fault of the evil transes.
Also, rowling has been tweeting about a BAZILION of other transphobic stuff besides those mentioned in your 3rd paragraph.
She has tweeted about how gender transition has been used as a conversion therapy to turn gays into straight (???!!), she has complained about gender specialists looking at trans kids, she has retweeted things against trans women in sports, she thinks trans men are just women who got brainwashed, she thinks trans rights go against the rights of cis women, she thinks trans existence will create problems in treatments of diseases (??!!) and other transphobic nonsense.
My favorite problem of this is that TERFs deny the "TERF" name because they "accept trans men as women" .... but ignore that if you lock trans women out of the female bathroom than ... you lock muscled bearded men who look very manly into the female bathroom. And which one is easier? A rapist to go to a store and buy women clothes and wear them to a public space or .... a bearded man in manly clothes just mention he once had a vagina ?
I think we all know the solution to the problem for anyone who thinks this way is that trans people just didn't exist in the first place.
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I got about two sentences deep into her quote before I had to close it out because it pissed me off so much. And fuck Warner Bros for not having the stones to come out against her bigotry.
She probably has an incredible contract that ties up many people's jobs and finances at the company... but I wish they'd either say they stand with trans people, or at least say they are bound not to comment on JK. It feels like they are ok with it.
Yep. And how funny she puts so much stock into a handful of letters she's received to reinforce her regressive worldview and not say a comprehensive data-driven project like Unerased which illuminates the epidemic of anti-trans violence that thousands of people have been trying to make her see she feeds into.
The interview itself (which NY Post are quoting from) is from Good Housekeeping, so stay away from that publication.
It's truly frightening but I work with some individuals who are able to go through the mental gymnastics necessary to disregard such data with terrifying ease. Never underestimate the motivating power of bigotry.
She has a whole new die hard following that will agree with everything she says, she's not going to stop.
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But she heard from so many women Who are just concerned!
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The winners: The 2020 Russell Prize for best writing
The Russell Prize for 2020 is announced, celebrating great writing.
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It really should be a new thread because of how much it says about the BBC.
They awarded J K Rowling a literature prize for her writing on transgender rights. And praised her bravery. And compared her to Enoch Powell.
The winners: The 2020 Russell Prize for best writing
The Russell Prize for 2020 is announced, celebrating great writing.www.bbc.com
It really should be a new thread because of how much it says about the BBC.
They awarded J K Rowling a literature prize for her writing on transgender rights. And praised her bravery. And compared her to Enoch Powell.
You just can't make this madness up. What the hell!?
I used to watch ocasionaly Harry Potter once a year for nostalgia and for background noise, but ALL those news made me stop doing that, cant watch them anymore and not remember her and get disgusted and sad
WHAATThe winners: The 2020 Russell Prize for best writing
The Russell Prize for 2020 is announced, celebrating great writing.www.bbc.com
It really should be a new thread because of how much it says about the BBC.
They awarded J K Rowling a literature prize for her writing on transgender rights. And praised her bravery. And compared her to Enoch Powell.
....did BBC just call JK Rowling's bigotry "brave"? Please tell me i read that incorrectly.
Man I've been trying to avoid this since my friend notified me of it but I couldn't avoid it popping up on my twitter feed, fuck the BBC, fucking transphobic pieces of shit.
I don't pay for a tv license but if I did I would cancel it.
I fucking hate this country.
I don't pay for a tv license but if I did I would cancel it.
I fucking hate this country.
The winners: The 2020 Russell Prize for best writing
The Russell Prize for 2020 is announced, celebrating great writing.www.bbc.com
It really should be a new thread because of how much it says about the BBC.
They awarded J K Rowling a literature prize for her writing on transgender rights. And praised her bravery. And compared her to Enoch Powell.
This is beyond transparent. The essay was poorly researched, and not particularly well written. All it had to offer was transphobia.
Beyond fucking disgusted.
So brave. The billionaires are the real victims here.The winners: The 2020 Russell Prize for best writing
The Russell Prize for 2020 is announced, celebrating great writing.www.bbc.com
It really should be a new thread because of how much it says about the BBC.
They awarded J K Rowling a literature prize for her writing on transgender rights. And praised her bravery. And compared her to Enoch Powell.
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