Throw me in a fire tornado if old. 2020 might be considered an outlier, if 2019 wasn't already trending this way on its own.
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Throw me in a fire tornado if old. 2020 might be considered an outlier, if 2019 wasn't already trending this way on its own.
We're fucked, also the Orange Shitstain just undid regulation on methane emissions the other day. Methane is far worse than CO2 as it traps heat much more effectively.
Yeah, it seems pretty bad. Like, catastrophically bad to where I seriously don't know if I want to have children bad and I'm not sure if that seems ridiculous or not. I know that that is the number one way to reduce personal contribution to climate change, but even more than that, I feel like a new person born is only going to see some serious Hell on Earth type environmental/living conditions.
Recently finished watching Seven Worlds One Planet, the Attenborough documentary on the continents. In it he focuses a lot of the species around the disruption they've faced at the hands of humanity and climate change and it remains endlessly depressing what we've managed to do to the natural world here. Highly recommend it, especially in 4K for people able.
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Seven Worlds, One Planet - Wikipedia
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I mean what is there even to say at this point. I am not going into complete apathy mode, but things like saving for my retirement in 40 years seems very low priority. If I can enjoy the rest of my 20s and 30s in a somewhat normal first world country I think that's where my main focus lies.
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Nothing left to say anymore. I'm gonna continue to minimize my individual contribution to this catastrophe, fully aware that it is futile and without expecting any global effort to deal with this problem. 2020 proved once and for all that we as a species are entirely unable to handle any global issue, even if it is as simple and predictable as a global pandemic.
It's always depressing to see articles like these every few years or so.
It makes me feel helpless and brings back my anxiety and severe depression.
I should look into what organizations are trying to fight climate change, and what solutions are being worked on.
It makes me feel helpless and brings back my anxiety and severe depression.
I should look into what organizations are trying to fight climate change, and what solutions are being worked on.
Man, I don't even think society has 20 years left in it
I'll count myself lucky if I live to see middle age.
Trump probably doesn't have more than a few years left. He doesn't fucking care.
This is a pretty good summary of the wider context of what is going on with sea ice melt in the Arctic: https://www.scientificamerican.com/...t-and-a-cyclone-arctic-breaks-melting-record/
It's frustrating to feel so powerless in being able to even mitigate this, and this pandemic has shown that even with obvious risks and consequences people will still be reckless and ignorant, and willfully so. They also hold too much power and when it comes to Climate Change they will stonewall even after mass migration and shortages affect the entire planet.
I do hope that things turn around (To at least stop the worst case scenarios), and still believe it's possible, but the window is narrowing quickly.
I do hope that things turn around (To at least stop the worst case scenarios), and still believe it's possible, but the window is narrowing quickly.
Maybe we can trigger Yellowstone to erupt, so that all of the earth will be covered in a cloud of ashes that blocks the sun rays and everything can cool down again.
It's not going to get any better, there's just way too much working against it. Most of the people with money and power who could push meaningful changes don't want to derail the gravy train. Most are older and won't be around for the worst of it. The sacrifices people need to make will become harder and harder, and I'm just considering those who acknowledge the problem. The deniers and bad faith actors aren't going away. We're a boiled frog in all sense of the matter.
We can't reverse this, we just don't have the humanity to do so en masse. At least we repaired the ozone layer mostly so when we go extinct we didn't go for zero...
We really should stop calling it climate change as that what it was in the 80s this is a climate crisis since we really should have started to tackle it rather than squander time arguing if it even exists.
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We really should stop calling it climate change as that what it was in the 80s this is a climate crisis since we really should have started to tackle it rather than squander time arguing if it even exists.
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Yeah, we've already reached the point where severe consequences because of climate change are inevitable. I'm afraid the 21st century will be characterized by climate-caused migration and conflict.
2020 doesn't even compare to some of the horrific years humans have survived. Years so bad life only improved decades or centuries later.
Many more terrible years to come.
Yup, coronavirus has shown the world how awful and selfish folks in certain countries could be.
It does say this in the article though, to maybe easy up the nihilism a little here.
There will never be a "can't deny it anymore" phase. Roughly 40% of the population will continue to claim it's a liberal conspiracy to take away our rights and allow the Mexicans to invade even as they figuratively (and possibly literally) burn to death, and because of the fucked up way our government is organized they'll continue to have more influence than all the people who actually understand what is going on, all while the billionaires and trillionaires remain comfortably unaffected in the bunkers they're making just for this scenario.
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This is why the idea someone posted as another thread, that we should focus on migrating to habitable areas instead of reducing emissions isn't really helpful in any way
Like yeah, we're failing hard at stopping climate change and in the next decades mass migrations on an unimaginable scale will begin
But what habitable areas? The Arctic is getting hit, too. Permafrost melting, wildfires everywhere, worse summer heat waves
Sure, the North will be fine for a while compared to the equatorial regions, but if we can't stop our emissions that's only some more time bought, in the end the whole Earth will get fucked
Like yeah, we're failing hard at stopping climate change and in the next decades mass migrations on an unimaginable scale will begin
But what habitable areas? The Arctic is getting hit, too. Permafrost melting, wildfires everywhere, worse summer heat waves
Sure, the North will be fine for a while compared to the equatorial regions, but if we can't stop our emissions that's only some more time bought, in the end the whole Earth will get fucked
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Conservatives will be like "We have to stop those people from coming here!", and it's like "You fuckers had the chance to stop this 30 years ago."
I wonder if we'll ever be able to control weather pressure systems or come up with any kind of geoengineering.
I get it, the earth was fucked by humankind before I could have possibly done anything to help and now I probably won't even live to 70, don't really need the constant reminder every week tbh.
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Edit: (Not thread whining, discussion about this is obviously important, just depressed is all)
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Pretty much. For lack of a better term, we now get to witness the slow burn of life as we know it coming to an end.
We are in the timeline where wearing masks is politicized and people argue its against their freedom.
Imagine the government or movement trying to curve global warming in the coming years. Yea it won't be possible with all the morons who will still wreck society because to them its "just hot" outside.
We always acknowledge its so damn hot outside (wherever you are) yet cant sit back and think its because the world is heating up not just some random occurrence.
Imagine the government or movement trying to curve global warming in the coming years. Yea it won't be possible with all the morons who will still wreck society because to them its "just hot" outside.
We always acknowledge its so damn hot outside (wherever you are) yet cant sit back and think its because the world is heating up not just some random occurrence.
The same people who can actually legislate the change needed to slow this down are the same ones who think this is God's will or have all their money in fossil fuel stocks.
So, yes. We're doomed. Mankind doesn't deserve this world.
So, yes. We're doomed. Mankind doesn't deserve this world.
Yep, my own goddamn mother is always talking about how it's never been this hot in her entire life but thinks climate change is some bullshit conspiracy theory the Democrats made up to control us somehow. Nah, it's just because it's the End Times, apparently. So infuriating.
So we should be actively encouraging all climate activism to give up then.
If there's no point to it, give up! Let's start the #giveup movement. A movement that encourages people to stop fighting for any cause.
If there's no point to it, give up! Let's start the #giveup movement. A movement that encourages people to stop fighting for any cause.
Honestly even I don't know if I'm serious or not.
and sadly prolly some significant percentage of wealthy liberals will claim it's a thing, but we don't need to take any drastic measures because a solution will be discovered later on, or (worse)how will industry work?
i was at a dinner party with two quite wealthy (execs) couples in their mid 50s and one of their SILs was arguing with the two husbands that climate change will be an extinction event. Their response was basically "that's absurd" and "well so what, there's nothing we could have done to stop it because the research wasn't public knowledge" lmfao. Their suggestion was "we can't tell people what to do, and someone will figure it out." Severely depressing prospect from rich liberal america. The people with the most resources and connections just don't care to change their habits to save even themselves.
That's been my mode for a few now. It's basically the only way I can talk real about this, and not fall into a pit of despair. And we are far past the time for simply just talking real about it, change has to happen - and it has to happen very, very quickly - if we want to mitigate the impending collapse of our biosphere. And it's "mitigate" because we ain't stopping the warmining.
But we can still prevent a 4C+ nightmare scenario for the next couple generations. But even just doing that will require effort and capital that will make the combined efforts during WW2 look like a regular Tuesday. We can't just simply step off the accelerator like even most Green New Dream variants want, we have to hit the brakes fast.
Ignorance is bliss and all that, but this kind of privileged attitude is why we're here in the first place staring down the barrel of a fucking tank. Cause those generations before ours also knew that the planet had a problem, but figured it should be spoken of only occasionally and without alarm.
And it's a fucked up attitude to have considering how many are suffering already thanks to biosphere collapse, and don't have the privilege to just ignore the threat from time to time because it's too much or depressing.
So I think you can handle the 1 or 2 weekly climate change threads (which are usually lucky to even hit 2 pages) when this shit is happening for others as we type.
For example:
How Climate Change Is Fuelling the U.S. Border Crisis
In the western highlands of Guatemala, the question is no longer whether someone will leave but when.
This is just the beginning. Even if cut global carbon emissions to zero today and kept it there, the planet would continue to warm for another 20 years (the result of releasing 7 Mount Everests worth of carbon into the atmosphere since 89), and the world's leaders are more concerned with their economies than maintaining a world where human activities are possible. All of us are in for multiple decades of increasingly hotter and chaotic weather with leadership that buries its head in the sand while throwing more fuel onto the blaze. We can't avoid devastation at this point, but we have to fight these cult capitalists before they steer us into a literal apocalypse.
Isn't the IPCC 2050 worst case a sustained average at these temperatures? That said, the arctic shouldn't be that hot.
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If y'all want to do something about it, stop buying so much stuff. Don't get the latest phone, console and automobile. And reduce your meat consumption. If you can get people to change their lifestyles, governments will act.
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If y'all want to do something about it, stop buying so much stuff. Don't get the latest phone, console and automobile. And reduce your meat consumption. If you can get people to change their lifestyles, governments will act.
Yep, I think "enlightened hedonism" is really the only thing left for me.
It's not entirely your fault if you are serious. Because this movement ALREADY exists, and is influencing the national and worldwide discourse on how we should death with climate change And while its threat pales in comparison to that of intentional, self-serving inaction by the powers that be, it is still a serious issue. Especially becayse the people leading it are generally not scientists, and regularly get their facts wrong for the sake of pushing the #giveup agenda.
https://alumni.berkeley.edu/california-magazine/summer-2020/michael-mann-on-climate-denial-and-doom
To paraphrase that famous quote, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." Oh, sure, the deck may be stacked against us, but if people who actually give a shit proceed to STOP giving a shit, and tell others to do the same..... all they have accomplished is making the collapse of human civilization more likely. And this does not just apply to anthoropogenic climate change, but to every other ill plaguing our planet and society.
So if people wanna tell other people to just give up and accept our inevitable demise, go ahead... but they are part of the problem, and the rest of us would be best served ignoring them. Mind you of course, I'm not talking about people on resetera. We're all just venting, more or less, and doing it under screen names. I'm talking about well-known people who ARE aware how dire our situation is... and use their platforms to tell people to give up. TLDR: folks like Jonathan Franzen can fuck off into the sun.
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