Biden has been part of the problem for 40 years a long with Republicans that's been destroying country. This will continue on for another 40 years. You can continue playing this game, I'm going to focus on voting in the local election.
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Telling people they shouldn't vote this year is irresponsible and shows your privilege.
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Biden has been part of the problem for 40 years a long with Republicans that's been destroying country. This will continue on for another 40 years. You can continue playing this game, I'm going to focus on voting in the local election.
You would need almost the entire voter base and most of it's elected officials to rise up as one against Biden and you would need it to happen extremely soon.
And that's just not going to happen.
This is how I feel. But I wouldn't expect this site to know any other tactic.
lol nope see Trump in 2016, they will fall in line because its that or the highway
More Bernie 2016 voters voted for Hillary in the election than Hillary 2008 voters voted for Obama. Stop spreading misinformation.
This has nothing to do with voting for a rapist and WW2 is not even equivalent in any way to this.
I'm not going to be shamed into turn my head away from rape and pretending it didn't happen so you're guy can make Supreme Court picks.
I can sleep at night knowing that a vote against Trump means that the Supreme Court won't lean heavily right for generations, and that fundamental human rights won't be needlessly stripped away from our Society. I'll be able to sleep knowing that we won't have someone in office who values kickstarting the economy over the lives of the people he or she was elected to serve and protect.
People and other politicians need to put pressure on him to drop out. Simple as that.
how moral would it be to vote Biden, then demand him to be impeached, removed and jailed? tarnish his name permanently for the history books.
the VP taking over might be a decent person.
the VP taking over might be a decent person.
This has had to have been one of the worst Democratic primaries in my lifetime. The divisions among the party, Warren and Bernie's falling out, and now DNC's darling is potentially a rapist just like Trump.
People were already motivated to vote him out, all they had to do was find someone who wasn't a liar, a sexist, or a rapist. This was supposed to be one of the most important elections as well. So much was riding on Trump losing.
People, for the love of God, vote in your house and senate elections. They will ulimately be what ends up prolonging or dooming what remains of our civil liberties.
People were already motivated to vote him out, all they had to do was find someone who wasn't a liar, a sexist, or a rapist. This was supposed to be one of the most important elections as well. So much was riding on Trump losing.
People, for the love of God, vote in your house and senate elections. They will ulimately be what ends up prolonging or dooming what remains of our civil liberties.
Republicans aren't going to give a shit and vote for Trump. They are salivating at the idea that "the left" will not vote for their candidate while they keep doing so even if they are being accused about the same shit. This always happens.
If Trump wins the rights of minorities are fucked for the next 30 years at the very least with a potential 7-2 SC, if that doesn't terrify you then I don't know what to tell you. This without even going into all the other shit that he and his admin are impacting.
You know what? you should fight for the potential future greater good instead of giving up and giving the win to Reps, but it's up to you. I don't like Biden either, but this is reality and taking the High Road quite frankly hasn't done shit.
Remind yourself of the stakes. They were already high before COVID-19 raised its head, now they're astronomical. It's not just the Supreme Court or the environment or the corruption or the abuse of power or the creeping authoritarianism or the attempt to blow up the ACA or the braindrain of the entire federal apparatus. It's everything at once. Trump is uniquely terrible and uniquely malicious and uniquely incompetent that it's worth remembering that however you may feel about Biden, a vote for him is an anti-Trump vote. The only effective anti-Trump vote at that.
It's nice to think that every problem in the world has a nice and clean solution. But that's not always how reality works. Sometimes you can end a problem in a way that feels good. And sometimes, like Alfred in The Dark Knight, you have to burn the forest down in order to stop the bandit.
It's nice to think that every problem in the world has a nice and clean solution. But that's not always how reality works. Sometimes you can end a problem in a way that feels good. And sometimes, like Alfred in The Dark Knight, you have to burn the forest down in order to stop the bandit.
Great, because I've literally said multiple times in this thread that if you don't feel comfortable voting for Biden, at least show up to vote for people in down ballot positions. Thanks for listening I guess?
The problem is they are they're just doing it indirectly. It doesn't matter what lies they tell themselves they're supporting a rapist one way or another. But instead of making an affirmative choice, they're making a passive one and letting others choose for them. It's basic game theory. They're only two choices, a non-choice isn't an option it's just deferring to others to choose for them. Like what happens if Joe Biden loses? Donald Trump wins and if that happens their inaction helped that happen especially if they live in a swing state. It feels better I guess to individual but it doesn't diminish their role. It sucks this is the system we live in, I wish I did not have to vote for an accused rapist but when I'm looking limit the overall harm done to country I can either make that choice myself or let others do it for me.
That would be suicidal to their chances down ballot in 2020. Even if Biden was a cold blooded murderer they probably wouldn't cede the election to the republicans
If you are not going to vote for the presidential please still consider voting for your senate and local elections. There is more to this election than just the presidential.
For people with the privilege to engage in utilitarian morality, sure, they should swallow their morals and vote for the better rapist.
For the people who DON'T have the privilege - who would be profoundly affected mentally and emotionally because they don't want anything to do with a rapist - I can't see how anyone in good conscious can argue that they need to put themselves out there to vote blue no matter who.
Not with any attitude. Biden is too popular with the majority of Democratic voters and sadly these latest accusations don't seem to be gaining the level of traction they need to actually destabilize his support.
I know it sucks, but pretending that there could be some kind of dramatic condemnation large enough and popular enough to force Biden to step aside at this point with the lead he has and make way for another candidate is hopelessly optimistic at best.
and how many sat the fuck out when it mattered...
and how many are already planning to sit the fuck out this year
That's the thing. I'm not giving up. The people who are enabling a rapist are giving up TODAY and saying they'll surely start holding everyone accountable next time.
I think you are seeing a lot of things happen.
1) Credible rape threats are horrible and Biden was a shaky candidate prior to today and now has a credible accusation of rape. Which is hollleee shit levels of awful and obviously makes his candidacy more precarious. We need answers on this, because this makes him a horrible human, but unlike Trump also flies in the face of his stated values and everything he has ever said about womens rights.
2) Lots of people on this forum like Bernie and the first 5 pages of the accusation thread yesterday are a graveyard of people acting like their sports team just scored. Which yikes, talk about using women as objects and not actually giving a shit about rape, rape-culture or the problems of toxic masculinity.
I think the reaction you are seeing now is a mix of people who are abhorred by the accusations against Biden and a mix of people who see an opportunity to move their preferred candidate into the nomination.
People generally responding to 1 is one thing, but there is a whole lot of #2 happening around here and on the twitterverse today and is fucking horrifying.
Thank you! This really needs to be said. We lived through slavery, Reconstruction, Jim Crow, and state-sponsored terrorism during the 20th century as well as continued institutional racism post-Civil Rights Era, the targeted prison-industrial complex, racial profiling, and murder by police. Four more years of Trump is awful but it's no worse than what we've already survived.
Fuck a Joe Biden. He's the system of which Trump is the symptom instead an outlier. The idea that it's privilege that keeps us from voting for him is stupid and it doesn't move me at all.
Living in a swing state, I feel I don't really have the luxury of being able to protest vote (or abstaining for a race), especially when a lot of our elections come down to razor-thin margins. Whoever has a (D) next to their name is getting my vote in November. Even if they lose in the end I'd rather not let my inaction contribute to making it easier for shithead Republicans to win.
here's the thing
there is still a way to avoid a scenario where you get a rapist (whether with a D or an R) into office in 2021
do everything in your power to take down biden in the primary. bernie still has a mathematical shot at taking the nomination without fuckery
i feel like if biden is nominated the general election is doomed. enough democratic-leaning voters would not vote for a rapist. the best way to stop children in cages and trump is to beat biden in the democratic primary election
it sure is a good thing that bernie didn't take the advice of some posters on here and dropped out, huh
there is still a way to avoid a scenario where you get a rapist (whether with a D or an R) into office in 2021
do everything in your power to take down biden in the primary. bernie still has a mathematical shot at taking the nomination without fuckery
i feel like if biden is nominated the general election is doomed. enough democratic-leaning voters would not vote for a rapist. the best way to stop children in cages and trump is to beat biden in the democratic primary election
it sure is a good thing that bernie didn't take the advice of some posters on here and dropped out, huh
Great points echoed throughout this thread & well said. Empathy is definitely a better approach.
He isn't my guy. I didn't vote for him in the primary and I don't like him. But ok.
I just like Roe V. Wade being settled law. I like voting rights protections. I like the EPA being allowed to function at all.
What about potentially 30+ years of a very heavy R supreme court?
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You are probably right. And perhaps I made this thread out of more anger than anything else. but I am also a black man and I live in MO. Im in a big city, so it's fairly liberal, but try driving anywhere outside of the city, and its an entirely different world. I've been pulled over for driving a nice car while black, sat on the side of the road in handcuffs with a gun on me "for the cops protection" while my 5 year old son at the time sat in the back crying. I've seen these racist, maga hat wearing fuckers saying slick shit and daring to get hit. I've been followed numerous times by police for nothing. so I experience it, and I also know the only remedy to this is the courts and new, more liberal laws being enacted by pushing the country left. So for me, another four years of Trump is not acceptable under any circumstances, and it guarantees a world in which my son and daughter will 100% be less safe, and less free in. I can't let that happen. I have to do all I can to ensure it doesn't happen. which is why I can't afford for the SC, or any more federal judges, to go conservative.
And yeah I have a grandma who is 84 years old and lived in the South (Arkansas) most her life, so also know the stories of how fucked up things were, and if she is willing to still risk voting because she knows a republican supreme court will absolutely revert this world back to a time many of us don't want.
There is no next time for the rest of our lives if Trump wins.
If it's Biden vs Trump, Biden has to win for the sake of everyone we love.
The way I look at it, I am voting with a gun to my head. The gun doesn't belong to Democrats, it belongs to Republicans. If the latter wins, my future and the future of those I love is essentially done for.
I'm a POC and a woman. Republicans want me and the people who look like me to suffer and die.
With a gun to my head, I'm going to choose the option where the trigger doesn't get pulled. For me, it is as simple as that.
Call me a hypocrite, but voting for a president means voting for heads of departments, FEMA, supreme court justices, and so on.
I want a future. It's looking like my only choice for a future is to be a hypocrite. I can live with that because I also want my family and loved ones to have a future.
I'm not mad at Democrats so much as I am at Republicans for elevating a madman to the highest office even though they knew better.
Life is a matter of perspective.
I'm a POC and a woman. Republicans want me and the people who look like me to suffer and die.
With a gun to my head, I'm going to choose the option where the trigger doesn't get pulled. For me, it is as simple as that.
Call me a hypocrite, but voting for a president means voting for heads of departments, FEMA, supreme court justices, and so on.
I want a future. It's looking like my only choice for a future is to be a hypocrite. I can live with that because I also want my family and loved ones to have a future.
I'm not mad at Democrats so much as I am at Republicans for elevating a madman to the highest office even though they knew better.
Life is a matter of perspective.
I really don't get the defeatist attitude.
I would have much more sympathy for the hold your nose and vote for Biden stick if we were in November.
Right now anyone who has ever claimed a progressive mantel or supported #metoo or spouted believe women in the past should be fuming and doing everything tho get this story the traction that it deserves.
Many of the people celebrating Biden of getting accused of rape are the same people who accused Warren of lying about Bernie's remarks about a woman becoming president. For many this is more out of convenience than morality.
I disagree, and I'll use argument by hyperbole to demonstrate (in good faith):
Superman is fighting Doomsday, who is attempting to destroy the world, and it is revealed that Superman raped someone in the past. Wishing for Superman to defeat Doomsday (and aiding him) is not morally equivalent to supporting Doomsday. This is an extreme, but demonstrates that does exist a grey area between acts of various evils.
That's valid as well, but if the worse person wins then some of the fault lies in anyone who did not vote for an alternative. Not all the fault, of course (or even majority), but some. In these situations fault is a path, with many points along the way with various actors. The final actors are the voters.
This is gross. Do I think Biden would be a net improvement due to executive orders and SCOTUS judges? Yes, but you cannot shame people into voting for a rapist, especially not victims.
I will be voting in November for whoever the Democrats nominate as president. It's very hard for me to see a circumstance in which this isn't the case.
Of course, if the current allegation against Biden is true he should be swiftly removed from the race so the DNC may nominate another candidate in his place.
Of course, if the current allegation against Biden is true he should be swiftly removed from the race so the DNC may nominate another candidate in his place.
There have been multiple accusations and stories told by women about Biden's invasion of space, and worse. One of the women recently tweeted that even after telling her story, she would have to vote for Biden if it came down to it. A vote is not an endorsement, and it should stop being treated as such.
On the debate stage, only Bloomberg was taken to task over this type of behavior. The other candidates could have addressed this with Biden, but did not. And though the DNC gets blamed around here for things they aren't involved in, this is one thing that the DNC should be addressing as candidates run in the party - do the oppo research and vet the candidates.
It's still a long way to November, and one of the women's experience has been recently newly disclosed.
Leave people alone please. Because of the electoral college, every state has its own situation - and in some states the majority of votes will be assured already. Allow people deeply affected by this to process, feel, and make their own decision when election day comes. It would be irresponsible to do otherwise.
On the debate stage, only Bloomberg was taken to task over this type of behavior. The other candidates could have addressed this with Biden, but did not. And though the DNC gets blamed around here for things they aren't involved in, this is one thing that the DNC should be addressing as candidates run in the party - do the oppo research and vet the candidates.
It's still a long way to November, and one of the women's experience has been recently newly disclosed.
Leave people alone please. Because of the electoral college, every state has its own situation - and in some states the majority of votes will be assured already. Allow people deeply affected by this to process, feel, and make their own decision when election day comes. It would be irresponsible to do otherwise.
This.
You can set a watch to this shit.
Fuck Biden, but fuck anyone trying to use this for their agenda.
If you can stomach it listen to the audio tape that came out this week. Look at clips showing how Biden gropes, publicly, women and even young girls. Do people honestly believe that this won't be all over YouTube, Facebook, and TV all general election season? Do you think that Trump won't use this against Biden this fall? Democratic voters care about this stuff in 2020.
Your problem is that you're being pragmatic. This is a space for blind idealism.
People are dying, our wealth is being siphoned, we're losing our place on the world stage.
Biden might be terrible, but he's not Trump and anyone making that comparison is blind. But sometimes people want to shoot for the moon when they haven't even built a rocket.
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