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Teenagers don blackface and hand out gifts to children in parade in Spain
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why you dragging my boy Ramos when you've got actual other racist shitheels in Madrid you can point to
Catholic tradition says that in January 6th we celebrate the day that wise kings from far away lands came to visit Mary, Joseph and baby Jesus after he was born to venerate and bring him gifts. The Bible only ever mentions "kings" in plural and never specified how many but somehow in popular culture people started to depict these kings as being three, even gave them names (Melchior, Gaspar and Balthazar), made up the contents of the actual gifts (gold, incense, and myrrh) and some sort of ethnicity where the latter was always black (nothing racist, Balthazar just happened to be black). Also in many countries, the Three Kings are the ones that bring the gifts to the kids in Jan 6 rather than Santa Claus on Dec 25.
As to why these Spaniards decided to all of them paint their faces black before giving away gifts is unheard of for me. I mean there were at least 2/3's of the Kings not being black, why choose the one who's black to dress as him? This is no part of any tradition I know of.
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If you read the posts more carefully, you see that their snark is referring to having dealt with posters that act like Europe doesn't have its own huge issues with racism. Like no shit it's everywhere lol
Can we at least agree that the movie White Chicks fucking sucks? God I hate that movie.
Every fucking year.
No the movie White chicks is not a valid argument.
I'm not sure how much of it is done to pat one self on the back.
It's probably more of a reaction from Europeans often shielding themselves from criticism for racist behavior. Very often Europeans will defend racist behavior by saying that they don't see racism over in Europe, or the N Word doesn't carry the same meaning as it does in the States.
I don't think America is in a position to be judging many other nations in regards to racism. So I don't think a lot of people are trying to encourage a competition.
Wow, their reasoning for that is terrible.
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I didn't know that. That's kind of a neat detail that I wish I didn't learn because of this.
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I didn't know that. That's kind of a neat detail that I wish I didn't learn because of this.
Have you read many threads about racism in Europe? Some people love to claim that racism doesn't exist there.
Took me forever but they are royal pages that do the actual handling out of gifts by going inside the houses. But they call them by the French words els negres so I dont understand what's up with that.
So they are black facing because they are commemorating a black man? I mean.. I get the sentiment, but there is a right way and a wrong way.
Phew, I'm glad we don't have racism in Europe or I could have seen hundreds of children doing blackface and being taught it's okay.
Like I said in my last post the fact that people say it's 3 kings named Melchior, Gaspar and Balthazar with the latter being black, them bringing gold, incense and myrrh accordingly was all made up from popular culture eons ago, not from any text.
The wise kings visiting from far away lands to venerate the newly born baby Jesus are indeed mentioned in the Bible but they are never mentioned by name, their gifts or how many they were. Melchior, Gaspar and Balthazar are as historic as the red and white fat Santa Claus that drops down your chimney in Dec 25.
Just bringing some cultural context into this thread. And as a Mexican I had never seen any tradition like this one in Spain with people donning black face with red lips. Nothing of the sort.
Has anyone defended this with how there is no racism there? That there is no ill intent? Culture? or have the folks with 42 post histories not shown up yet>
Disgusting
It would be pretty therapeutic to play a muso where you fight hordes of klansmen, people in blackface and just bigot groups in general.
Disgusting
It would be pretty therapeutic to play a muso where you fight hordes of klansmen, people in blackface and just bigot groups in general.
They're dressed as Balthazar pages, not the king himself. It's of course still bullshit. Mind you, The Three Magi paarade happens in almost every town in Spain and more often than not Balthazar and his pages are gonna be blackface. Another old ass tradition that ends up being problematic, this time being racist as fuck.
That's why I recommend people get the deluxe edition of Mafia 3. You get to ramp onto klansmen in one of the dlc missions.
English ain't my first language so I read "pages" and was incredibly confused. I'm guessing you meant pages as in aides or servants, yes?l
This is the very first time in my life I've heard of any Three Kings Day tradition that involved anyone else besides said three kings and maybe Joseph, Mary and Jesus. I won't even try to dive into this pages crap and why the need to depict them in black face. Even in black face there are levels but did they have to go with the red lips to make it even worse?
Wasn't there more cases over the last couple of years from Spain?
Or some Scandinavian country that has had multiple cases?
I think I might be thinking of a football team?
Or some Scandinavian country that has had multiple cases?
I think I might be thinking of a football team?
As part of the parade people paint their faces black with large red lips...
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...Balthazar is historically depicted as being black
And if you asked anyone there, with a straight blackface they would claim that there was nothing racist about it.
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...Balthazar is historically depicted as being black
And if you asked anyone there, with a straight blackface they would claim that there was nothing racist about it.
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What if this is subversive? Europe wants to defeat the "black people are lazy" stereotype so they put on Black face and dress as hard working Black folks like Zwarte Piet?
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Don't put Puerto Rico in this mess. We do celebrate the Three Kings, give gifts, have parades, etc. But we don't do anything similar to what is shown in the pic.
yes, sorry, they're supposed to be their servants that helps them deliver the presents. Each king has a number of pages that are basically the same (ethnicity, hair color...) but with less fancy clothes.
To be fair it's the first time I see a huge parade of nothing but Balthazar pages. But still, blackface is sadly incredibly common, red lips or not. Not much cities bother to hire proper black people for Balthazar impersonations. People just don't care...
why you dragging my boy Ramos when you've got actual other racist shitheels in Madrid you can point to
hmm, not sure either of them come out of this fight ok tbh, thats a pretty damning photo from Ramos too
It's unfortunate, but because it's part of an old tradition, the vast majority of people do not see this as racist or problematic in any way. It's also part of a deeply ingrained cultural background of depicting other cultures in cartoony and "comedic" stereotypes that doesn't even register as offensive to most people.
Weren't the three kings from the East? Darker skinned Asian would probably be from India, though if we are talking historical accuracy, Jesus, Mary, Joseph and the Apostles would be dark skinned as well. I'm callin' it like it is, this tradition started because all these fucks ancestors just wanted to be racist and generations kept the fires burning.
hmm, not sure either of them come out of this fight ok tbh, thats a pretty damning photo from Ramos too
Some traditions of the world are bullshit. Fuck 'em!
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People disguises as Balthazar or royal pages from that king in the holiday of Día de Reyes (day of Kings) remembering the catholic tradition of the "three magicain kings" which honored with gifts the newborn Jesus. They do that due lack of black people to perform that role, the same that they use false beards to impersonate Mechior and Gaspar, the other two kings, and the same way that in traditions as moros y cristianos (moor and christians) half of the disguised impersonate moors.
Is not a racist thing, you can find racist behaviour in some sectors of soccer stadiums, etc. But this tradition is not one of those cases. Being offended about this is the same about being offended in a japanese funeral about the guest wearing white clothes instead of the classic black clothing so common in western mournings.
That's the "why" explained.
Is not a racist thing, you can find racist behaviour in some sectors of soccer stadiums, etc. But this tradition is not one of those cases. Being offended about this is the same about being offended in a japanese funeral about the guest wearing white clothes instead of the classic black clothing so common in western mournings.
That's the "why" explained.
"Els negres" is not French language, but Catalan (that is spoken not only in Catalonia but in most of Valencia as well, where this town is). It literally means "the black ones".
I suppose you know that's a really old ad. From 40 years aprox.. And I grant you there were worse than that:-). The brand still exists, but hasn't run a TV ad for 10 years at least, and it's not really popular nowadays. I don't think it will last for long honestly.
I won't defend this, I think these traditions should stop or adapt because we now live in a globalized world and we should be aware that many black people around the globe consider this offensive. And, in addition, there's a lot of real black people living in Spain nowadays so there's no need to paint anyone to depict Balthazar or any other character that happens to be black.
At the same time, though, I think you should accept that there's really no ill intent in this. There's no way so many teenagers would be evil racists. It's more a matter of being uninformed, actually, and black population having lived here for a relatively short time (it was a rare event spotting a black person on the streets only 30 or 40 years ago in most Spanish cities).
