From my understanding, that lawsuit isn't necessarily about controlling prices independently anymore, but Valve's control of a game's price on other storefronts.
We'll see what evidence they bring, but if that is the case, then it needs to go.
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[Techraptor]Sony forced Salt and Sacrifice price increase on PC (Epic Store)
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We'll see what evidence they bring, but if that is the case, then it needs to go.
They have a marketing/timed exclusivity deal. Every publisher when making a marketing deal will have it in the contract that the game cant be sold for cheaper on other platforms. It defeats the whole purpose of a marketing deal.
If Microsoft or Nintendo have a marketing deal they aren't going to let the game be sold for cheaper on Playstation either.
If Microsoft or Nintendo have a marketing deal they aren't going to let the game be sold for cheaper on Playstation either.
Other storefronts being storefronts selling Steam keys, not other platforms selling the same game like this topic.
What's being alleged is also other platforms selling the same game.
Assuming it's terms of a marketing deal… wouldn't this be in the publisher? Don't sign the deal if you don't like the terms?
Not one console manufacturer is for the players and never will be. It was a dumb marketing line that was used when Xbox One imploded out of the gate. It has come back to bite them more often than not.
Sony keeps doing shitty moves like this and as long as we buy their products, we are "fine" with it.
Voting with the wallet is the only thing that works.
Voting with the wallet is the only thing that works.
The funny thing is that PSN usually have the highest prices across the platforms in Brazil, one would think that Xbox Live and PSN would have the same price but that rarely is the case.
And of course, Steam is the cheapest with their regional pricing policy - though the big publishers rarely follows it.
And of course, Steam is the cheapest with their regional pricing policy - though the big publishers rarely follows it.
My thoughts exactly. People will crow about it and still end up buying it more than not, the cycle will continue. Unless Sony starts to do some real Acti/blizzard stuff they'll be fine.
Yea nothing will change as long as Sony is market lead with such a big margin.
Literally every company is driven by profit, regardless of what the consumers want.
Every company with a marketing/exclusivity deal will have it in the contract that the game not be sold for cheaper on other platforms... It would also make sure they dont show up in other subscription services. If they didn't it defeats the whole purpose of marketing deal.
So if this bothers you enough to boycott than you should also probably boycott Nintendo and Microsoft and other companies that make marketing deal.
I sorry for going off topic a bit but, how is this thread whining? He's merely asking a simple question.
While I hate price parity rules, this probably wouldn't fall under either of those. Since they paid for the marketing/exclusivity deal, it's not like they're using their large platform and requiring all games (that I know of) of following this same rule, just ones that they paid for.
However, Sony should absolutely have better regional pricing to not fuck over poorer countries on other platforms with these rules.
If anything, this might have just deep-sixed that lawsuit, since it demonstrates Most Preferred Nation clauses in action, and good luck trying to prove Valve does this bullshit.
If Valve does it, it's not really that hard to prove it. Find some publishers that have gotten letters from Valve to change their pricing on other platforms and there ya go. Of course, that's if Valve does it.
Yes it is a timed console exclusivity. Many games have done the same and it is very common
I recall some thing similar a few years back where retails and publishers complained to steam about lower game prices and got the steam to price match physical game prices in Singapore. It became standard practice after that.
*sigh*
Come on the F** on you c**ts. Sony not only does high pricing for its PC versions of its own games but also now forces 3rd party studios to do price parity?
Fuck these corporate 1st world cunts. Any platform that does this on PC or on console is legit disgusting. Regional prices are no joke. Stop thinking that everyone around the world can afford your pristine exclusives Sony.
Come on the F** on you c**ts. Sony not only does high pricing for its PC versions of its own games but also now forces 3rd party studios to do price parity?
Fuck these corporate 1st world cunts. Any platform that does this on PC or on console is legit disgusting. Regional prices are no joke. Stop thinking that everyone around the world can afford your pristine exclusives Sony.
Again this is on the developers when they signed a marketing deal with Sony. Every single company would include something like this in marketing/exclusivity deals. It would be stupid not to do it.
This isn't some thing that Jim Ryan invented, it would have been something that has been around a as long as marketing deals have been around and every publisher who does marketing deals does the exact same thing.
This isn't some thing that Jim Ryan invented, it would have been something that has been around a as long as marketing deals have been around and every publisher who does marketing deals does the exact same thing.
So many matter-of-fact "they have a marketing agreement, duh" posts pretending like Ska Studios were too dumb to read their contract before they set prices or something. You don't whoopsidooles I accidentally the whole thing something like this, FFS.
Agreed. I hate price parity, but this seems to be a reasonable rule. The thing that absolutely isn't reasonable is that Sony doesn't have regional pricing, which forced them to increase the price even off-platform.
Wolfire already tried to prove that Valve did this in a previous lawsuit. They were not able to show any concrete proof of this and as far as I know no other devs came forward, so it seems pretty much certain that Valve does not do this
I thought that was for the claim that they did so for Steam keys? Also, they were trying to separate Steam as a store/platform. The claim that has been allowed to go through is the non-Steam games being affected.
They don't do this to their big AAA marketing partners.
CoD is $60 on PC and $70 on PS5.
This also highlights that Sony not letting devs change their regional pricing is also a shitty move.
I might be misremembering, but I am pretty sure that claimed that Steam forced price parity for non Steam key games as well.
Yeah, and I believe that's the claim that has been allowed to continue.
Sony just doesn't give a fuck about regional pricing or customer rights in other countries. On the Brazilian PS store a $60 game costs 1/3 of the minimum wage, while on steam it's around 1/10.
It has, but as far as I know no other devs came forward during the first lawsuit, so I doubt they will do so now and they also failed to provide any concrete proof of this during the first suit, so it seems unlikely that this is something Steam actually does.
To be clear, Valve does require that the Steam version of your game be offered at the same price on Steam as elsewhere, sales aside, although like most of Valve's policies in this context, it is rather loosely enforced and rears its head only if a game's retail key activations abnormally outweigh direct sales (e.g. I pre-ordered Mini Metro at USD$3.99, which later launched on Steam at USD$6.99).
Wolfire's claim that this also applies to non-Steam versions is utter nonsense and based purely on Sweeney's broad assertion that price parity is "expected", citing still-unnamed sources. Sweeney also claimed that Valve's policy on key generation was the reason why YsNet couldn't offer belated Steam keys to Shenmue 3 backers, but hey-presto, when people began pointing out to him that no such clause actually existed, and that the Phoenix Point devs achieved the supposed impossible months earlier, the situation magically (and quietly) resolved itself.
Wolfire's claim that this also applies to non-Steam versions is utter nonsense and based purely on Sweeney's broad assertion that price parity is "expected", citing still-unnamed sources. Sweeney also claimed that Valve's policy on key generation was the reason why YsNet couldn't offer belated Steam keys to Shenmue 3 backers, but hey-presto, when people began pointing out to him that no such clause actually existed, and that the Phoenix Point devs achieved the supposed impossible months earlier, the situation magically (and quietly) resolved itself.
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To add on top of the fact that this is due to standard practices with marketing deals, Techraptor makes up a portion of the story when they say
"According to Ska Studios, this is because of Sony saw that the prices on the EGS were "much lower than Sony", and they thus forced to match the game's prices on all platforms."
Ska Studios never said Sony forced them to do anything and it is possible no one from Sony contacted them about anything. He just said he is obligated (due to marketing contract) to match the price. It is likely he noticed the price difference after the fact and changed them himself. And no one forced them to sign a marketing deal with Sony either.
"According to Ska Studios, this is because of Sony saw that the prices on the EGS were "much lower than Sony", and they thus forced to match the game's prices on all platforms."
Ska Studios never said Sony forced them to do anything and it is possible no one from Sony contacted them about anything. He just said he is obligated (due to marketing contract) to match the price. It is likely he noticed the price difference after the fact and changed them himself. And no one forced them to sign a marketing deal with Sony either.
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I just don't understand the money they're spending on this case. Either they have something to show (which they haven't so far) or there's some grand delusion going on.
Hope Steam never let this shit happen
No. In Brazil Guilty Gear Strive is about 200% cheaper at Steam than PSN.
Sony is basically forcing devs to not offer regional pricing
No. In Brazil Guilty Gear Strive is about 200% cheaper at Steam than PSN.
Sony is basically forcing devs to not offer regional pricing
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This is probably why their Steam games increased in price too. Horizon Zero Dawn increased ~55% in price earlier this year in Norway for example. This is published by themselves though, so they didn't really force Steam's hand there.
Still, Sony is becoming a greedy ass company.
Still, Sony is becoming a greedy ass company.