If the employer is biased that's a different matter and should be absolutely criticised on. What I'm saying is you should really be chosen by your merit to carry out the job, not by the colour of your skin that entitles you to something.
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TBT to when Naughty Dog cast a white girl doing an accent as a South African black woman and said she was better than actual South African black women
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The Last of Us Part 2’s story was partly inspired by a lynching Neil Druckmann witnessed
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why im not surprised the user was trying to be vague
yeah bye thread
you should be ashamed. disgusting. people trying to have a sensitive discussion, and you come up with this shit
Lost Legacy explored Chloe's Indian ancestry and she's played by a white woman too. Why's it always Laura Bailey being called out? Why not the very not-Indian Claudia Black? Both are extremely problematic, but Chloe always gets a free pass for some reason. I thought it was dreadful that ND focused so much Chloe's dealing with being raised abroad and returning to India and her Father issues that came with that, but still no actress of Indian descent. You could say "well they already cast her actress back in UC2"...well why didn't they cast someone else then? So bonkers how they went about it.
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Yes they did. As I said earlier in the thread, the casting in TLOU2 is way better.
Is it bad that I was pleasantly surprised that "No" was winning the poll?
Of course folks here are going to defend everything ND does, and it's a real strong "circle the wagons" time right now because TLOU2 just came out.
Of course folks here are going to defend everything ND does, and it's a real strong "circle the wagons" time right now because TLOU2 just came out.
It'd be nice if this were a perfect world, but its not. Your response is hokey bullshit.
Again, the entertainment industry is LILY fucking white. Do you really think thats because an overwhelming amount of white people just are the best at what they do, on merit?
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But there's no trans woman in TLOU2? There is however
a trans man who is voiced by, mocapped, and modeled after Ian Alexander, who is a trans actor.
Yea, they really should have re-cast her. I get they cast the character before the design was finalised, and perhaps they had recorded a lot of the audio too, but it's still a more sensible and racially sensitive move to have more accurate casting. I appreciate ND for all the diversity they bring to their games, and I really do love Nadine as a character, but this particular instance was the wrong call.
I draw the line at real life and who doesn't get prime acting roles. There's a reason men shouldn't play trans women. It's because it continues the dangerous narrative that trans women are just men. Now you can say "well that's different", but that's the point. It's different. Just as white people playing black characters is different from everything you just said. Because reality is nuanced and your argument isn't.
Their cast is diverse but that diversity is always relegated to side characters. If you think this is just a secret ND hate thread then you missed the point completely.
yeah i think people need to understand that this was about him processing HIS emotions. NOT him inferring the motives of the lynchings. it also needs to be understood that "lynching" doesn't JUST exist in the american context. Hangings exist in many different disturbing contexts. The literal definition is an extrajudicial hanging by a violent mob.
regardless, this was about the emotions Neil was feeling and processing. not about both sidesing the lynchers.
Chloe was established as Claudia Black for three games before they retconned her into being half-Indian. At no point before UC:LL was her ethnicity ever confirmed or even discussed.
It's a slightly different situation than casting a character with the wrong ethnicity at the creation phase.
So engage with them? I'm sure there are plenty of people who voted Yes in bad faith but the question in the poll differs from the root issue in this thread. I voted Yes and I still stick by it.
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You mean the same issues they have been called out on on this site and back on the old site in the past when this stuff first came to light? Don't get the bizarre poll results confused with the site not calling out ND on the shyt they do and have done.
While I maintain that the VA should've been replaced after the final decision on the character art was made, it is far from racism that influenced the direction ND went with.
Honest question, would it be better if localized Japanese games have VA's with Japanese ethnicity? Meaning future JRPG's like Persona should have Japanese Americans cast for their dubs?
Should future Persona spinoffs recast their VAs for past games? No more Liam I Brien for Akihiko, Laura Bailey for Rise, etc?
Should future Persona spinoffs recast their VAs for past games? No more Liam I Brien for Akihiko, Laura Bailey for Rise, etc?
ok, thats a way better criticism. But i mean VA industry has been known for not using different, less known VAs. Which is the real problem here.
IDK why they didn't use the cast of Earth's Mightiest heroes
then again this is the same game that responded with "they aren't supposed to look like the movie versions" when people pointed out how bad the models looked as if the actors in the MCU weren't at least partially based off how they looked in the comics
Oh boy
Feel free to answer me with another AAA game with a trans character and 2 leading characters being women
It's not only me talking, it's hardly an unpopular opinion
I haven't seen a single one of those two statements you put across this thread, but you do you I guess.
I'm sorry, but your response shows way more about your agenda than the poll.
Sure it is, Chloe is not white. She's played by a white actress. Just because the white actress can do the same accent that Chloe would have doesn't make it OK, just like it doesn't make Nadine OK.
Why would this only apply to black characters and not Indian (or any other non-white) characters?
People were upset Emma Stone played a biracial Asian character in that one movie for a reason.
You don't think the two issues are tied together though? That the VA industry A) likes to recycle the same voices over and over and B) those voices are almost overwhelmingly white?
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Aside from Matt Damon playing a South African, these examples are disingenuous.
i don't see why not. there ARE japanese voice actors out there.
Yeah, honestly I think that's part of what I disliked about Nadine. It felt completely cynical that they wanted the brownie points for making diverse characters while not bothering to hire a black actor.
And as much as I have enjoyed Troy Baker or Laura Bailey and the rest of that group, I'm so tired of seeing the exact same cast in every goddamn game. Cast new people ffs.
And as much as I have enjoyed Troy Baker or Laura Bailey and the rest of that group, I'm so tired of seeing the exact same cast in every goddamn game. Cast new people ffs.
Very much this.
Considering that the lynching that happens in TLOU2 is completely divorced from it's real world racial context I think that is a very fair point for them to have brought up.
That's why I put they want to act like they care. Its so few black VA jobs in the industry, that even one getting eliminated is felt. That Druckmann explanation is what really upset me. I haven't played tlou2 yet, so I can't fully judge their growth, but this is just not a good look.
can the 355 of you who voted "yes" please reveal yourselves so I could make sure to never take you seriously
I was responding to a claim that such things never happen. But read into it what you will.
Laura recently answered a question regarding her role as Nadine:
Don't think we'll get a recast, but I appreciate her candor in saying she should have done more and won't be taking a role like this in the future.
Fresh off The Last of Us 2 though...isn't Dina a brown, Jewish woman? Shannon Woodward from Westworld played the role. While less egregious as the Nadine situation, still troublesome.
Don't get me wrong, both were outstanding in the roles, but roles going to people so closely involved on production side that could have gone to POCs...it's kinda rough.
Hard to believe a real black woman wouldn't be good enough to play a fictional black woman.
Don't think we'll get a recast, but I appreciate her candor in saying she should have done more and won't be taking a role like this in the future.
Fresh off The Last of Us 2 though...isn't Dina a brown, Jewish woman? Shannon Woodward from Westworld played the role. While less egregious as the Nadine situation, still troublesome.
Don't get me wrong, both were outstanding in the roles, but roles going to people so closely involved on production side that could have gone to POCs...it's kinda rough.
Hard to believe a real black woman wouldn't be good enough to play a fictional black woman.
That's the one thing I really hope changes at some point with voice actors. Hearing Laura Bailey, Troy Baker, Steve Blum and Nolan North's voice in almost every game I play is actually distracting because their voices are so distinct and recognizable after hearing them continuously. It would be pretty cool if there was some sort of Union based rule or something that would try to regulate this in a fair and reasonable manner that gives other aspiring overshadowed VA's in the industry a chance to shine. Like not monopolize the whole industry with maybe limiting VA's to only like a set amount of projects within a time period a va can have or something like that idk. Just SOMETHING that encourages more diversity of VA's and less monopolization would be pretty refreshing.
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I edited my post, but the question has to be why did they suddenly make her Indian? They just make so many head scratching decisions.
Nah. Same thing happened when the article came out about their crunch practice. Some people just don't care because it's their favorite dev.
There was a thread about this a few months ago and I will say again that we have no way of knowing what was agreed to between ND and Laura Bailey. If the design wasn't finalized when Laura signed her contract there is no issue with anything she did. ND either didn't want to pay Laura out to cast another VA or simply didn't care.
to fit the story/setting of Lost Legacy seems to be the only reason.
See? Laura gets it. It's not like it was malicious on her part. The failure is on Naughty Dog.