Human Lives vs. Brand Recognition
...capitalism is no wonder some people are going to pick the latter first in this thread.
...capitalism is no wonder some people are going to pick the latter first in this thread.
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Tarantino refuses to recut OUATIH to placate China, who have banned the film’s release
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Everybody such be mad for such a terrible movie.
I didnt like the movie, and I believe QT only wanted to make fun of Bruce Lee, however banning a movie just because they are not willing to censor it is next level BS.
I don't know the exact rules but I thought that could be a permaban.
Woke at all costs, even if it means siding with authoritarian police state.
Probably because it's pretty much saying Chinese audiences have low attention spans and lack the societal norms to actually behave in a movie theater?
I guess it's the tone of it? Since isn't it usually western blockbusters with lots of action that do well in China?
I guess saying it's all they enjoy is stupid. I dunno, it's late and I'm tired.
You should read some stories regarding Lee. Even he himself admits he was arrogant when he was younger.
Gene Lebell being the guy who choked out Steven Seagal and made his shit his pants
That's not what he fucking did and you'd know that if you actually watched the movie instead of shooting your mouth off without any first hand knowledge like someone on Twitter.
So the minority people this affects don't have first hand knowledge of this? What are you trying to say? This has a direct effect on me and my kids based on the way society views us.
And I haven't watched the movie because I refuse to do that, but I have seen clips of that scene and Tarantino wanted the white guy to beat the Asian guy.
So you're going to support the Chinese government as a result ? The same government that's influencing companies to self censor themselves and that's set up "rededucation" camps where people are harvested for organs? Just because Bruce Lee is portrayed as arrogant? Despite claims that actually he was arrogant in real life?
Chinese influence also means erasing tibetan characters and any critical eye towards their regime so get outta here with your clown post
From my observation as a Chinese in Chinese theaters, this is sadly largely true.
Y'all keep saying this like theatres in the US are opera houses. Outside of places that actually disallow talking, phones, etc.--theatres here can get pretty rowdy/disrespectful, too.
Fond memories of trying to watch xmen dofp and having some lady beside me choke on her popcorn twice and spit on the floor and wipe her snot on the seat in front of her 😂
If a guy comes up and beats up Superman, the reaction is not, "wow, Superman is a fucking joke." It's "wow, that guy is really strong, he beat up Superman!" And in this film he doesn't even beat him up, they just spar a bit and get stopped before they can fight even more. Tarantino was building somebody who is essentially a fantasy hero character, and to do that he built him up by putting him against a guy everyone knows is a badass and having him give as good as he gets. But somehow that's an insult to all asians and it makes it great to support an authoritarian regime censoring a film. But then again you haven't even seen the film that you are happy about China censoring. Dude. Fucking yikes.
Chinese people aren't an oppressed minority where the movie is getting banned.
EDIT: Well, they aren't a minority anyway.
That's why Jackie Chan will always be more entertaining than Bruce Lee for me. At least his fights weren't as one-sided.
White boy doesn't beat up Bruce Lee in the movie. And the fight and characterization of Bruce is inspired by real happenings. But no, go on patting a genocidal mass censoring pile of shit regime on the back because some idiot on Twitter told you Bruce Lee got beat up in a Tarantino movie by a white guy.
Sigh. Once again, there was a considerable negative response from Asian/Asian-American communities on the portrayal of Bruce Lee in the movie that they saw.
I understand criticizing the fact that Zhengi didn't see the movie, but their complaints aren't being pulled from thin air. You didn't find it offensive? Ok! A lot of Asians and Asian-Americans did.
That's a charitable way to put it.
Bruce Lee is literally only in the movie for two things: To make fictional white guy Cliff look cool fighting him that and to teach real white woman Sharon Tate how to kick.
That's no excuse to support the fucking Chinese government in censoring the movie, but it is pretty shit.
Well, let me put it to you this way and see if you understand where I am coming from.
Let's say Superman is one of the only positive influences in media for white people. There is no Peter Parker, no Bruce Wayne, no other white male superhero. And there is no more media currently featuring Superman cause he died off with his medium, but he's fondly remembered due to his positive influences and portrayal. However, now there are no longer any white males in significant roles and any who are are often portrayed as comedy relief.
On top of that, as a kid growing up as a minority, other kids and people have spent their life tearing down your positive influence. Kids are making fun of your guy for wearing his underwear on the outside and asking why you aren't doing that right now? Society has all these views on you based on preconceived notions that are entirely wrong.
Then you have this director come in and take on of your only positive influences and makes a mockery of it. One of the reactions to this scene was people laughing at the way Brad Pitt was mocking Bruce Lee. I hope you can imagine how this doesn't sit well with some of us as we have been portrayed in such mocking fashion for so long.
Now the way this has an influence in society is that Asian people are suddenly not good enough. They're not good enough to date, they're not good enough to break through the bamboo ceiling and promote to positions of power, and these factors affect the next generation.
So to some people this might not seem like a big deal, but this is something sensitive to many of us. Like I have mentioned many times in this thread, I don't condone what China has done with their human rights violation. As a matter of fact, I have family who are living in Hong Kong and China and I understand more than most what those policies mean.
Hopefully you can see the point I am making.
I think you may appreciate this article on the scene by Chinese American writer Walter Chaw (who is also generally one of the best critics around). I'll quote the key passage.
https://www.vulture.com/2019/08/on-bruce-lees-character-in-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood.html
Just for another view on an issue that you feel is black-and-white.
I see and agree with the point you're making, and did long before you even made it. And I actually saw the movie, too. But this is not about that, no matter how much you want to make it about that.
Only clown posts here are the posts telling us to just simply accept another classic Hollywood portrayal of an Asian man. This time it being probably the greatest Asian American icon that we have.
That's fine and I respect his interpretation of that scene. It doesn't make what I see any less valid though.
Well, I know people are trying to make what I posted more than what it was, so I'm not too surprised by the reaction. There are still posts quoting what I said on the first page without even looking at the rest of the thread.
And when should we make an issue that affects us heard? Should I take a number from the ticket reel of grievance and wait my turn as a good silent minority before I voice my opinion?
Damn, so you're all in on supporting the Chinese government because Bruce Lee had an even fight with a fictional navy seal?
Have you stopped beating your significant other?
That's the type of questioning you're proposing.
I loved the film and consider it one of QT's best but his portrayal of Lee is rooted in an ignorance and misunderstanding of who the man actually was and what he was capable of on and off camera.
Now, obviously, I don't support China or their desire to censor the film but Tarantino fucked over Bruce for no good reason and that is monumentally unfortunate. To be clear I don't think his intentions were motivated by racism but the optics look very poor given that Bruce is reduced to a prop and bloviate that the lead can knock around to prove his badassary.
That said, I respect QT's unwillingness to censor his film even if I disagree with his creative choices in regards to this one particular scene.
Now, obviously, I don't support China or their desire to censor the film but Tarantino fucked over Bruce for no good reason and that is monumentally unfortunate. To be clear I don't think his intentions were motivated by racism but the optics look very poor given that Bruce is reduced to a prop and bloviate that the lead can knock around to prove his badassary.
That said, I respect QT's unwillingness to censor his film even if I disagree with his creative choices in regards to this one particular scene.
That was a rhetorical question since his first post made it very clear that the answer is yes.
If I said that I've beat my significant other, and then you ask me if I stopped beating her, then that's not really a loaded question.
Nope, she still sucks at Mario Kart.
(I realize this wasn't directed at me, I just like using this answer to that specific loaded question)
I mean, it's not like this would have been an amazing cross-cultural hit in China? I don't see how Tarantino is doing anything incredible other than worming himself into a current topic.
To me Chinese influence doesn't mean the Chinese government. It means catering or appealing to the Chinese market which is made up of....Chinese people. Chinese people =/= Chinese Government.
Good job China blocking the trash movie and stopping a rich white guy and his shit movie from perpetuating Asian stereotypes for his own gain.
Nah, you don't get to pretend like you misunderstand what this topic is about. The OP is very clear about this being about the Chinese government, the post you replied to talked about what the Chinese government is doing to Tibet. This whole entire thread is about the Chinese government.
You straight up said you're okay with what they're doing if it means that this scene would get removed.
