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Tanabe: [Paper Mario] It’s no longer possible to modify Mario characters or to create original characters that touch on the Mario universe
- Thread starter TheDinoman
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Not sure how this is a big problem. It's unfortunate, but it's not like the quality of the games will suddenly suffer because they can't make variations on pre-existing Mario characters.
I don't think that's possible either. Mainline games will have exclusive new characters, but the recurring characters are still tied to the Mario universe rule.
Holy hot take Batman.
The NSMB template which people here seem to loathe was just 2D stuff in 3D, and even nowadays NSMB uses Kotabe's 2D artwork for promotional stuff.
The first game is called Mario Story in JP, the paper elements only started to happen from TTYD and even then it was mostly aesthetic instead of being the core plot. The Shadow Queen wasn't about being made of paper or other commodities
You are doing the same mistake over and over again, your counterexample regarding platformers is a poor one, because in Stickers Stars too you get coins, more stickers and special stickers that you wouldn't get anywhere else, your biggest mistake is that you can't seem to realize that the battle system in SS is, in fact, a fun system for many people and many reasons, I mean the irony in your next paragraph is that you dont seem to realize that many people don't tolerate turn-based battle systems period, in SS in PM64/TTYD hell even in classic games like FF, DQ it doesn't matter, you are trying so hard to prove that scientifically that SS battle system is an unfun, disastrous battle system when in fact it's not.
Dude, you are comparing people who engage with a simple yet fun battle system like in SS, with someone who does stupid shit to listen to a freaking tune, seriously accept that there are people who have fun with SS system for valid reasons and you shall have your answer.
the original game really had no references to the characters being paper, and the name mostly seemed to stem from the art style. there were some animations that kind of alluded to it, but it's never directly addressed by the world or characters
ttyd added the paper "curses" which were just another cute nod but it really wasn't until sticker star that it became an actual, tangible element in-universe
... a group of people who were born before you and enjoy Nintendo games, probably still to this day?
I would totally drop Mario then as IS and make an entirely new series. If Nintendo won't give them freedom they should do their completely own thing like Fire Emblem has been for them.
Thousand Year Door will forever be a classic I suppose. One day I'll pick up Origami King and see if Paper Mario still has its place. Series lacks identity imo.
Super Paper Mario would beg to differ, specially the NPC design.
Have you considered that maybe they(IS) don't want to do that?
I'm not sure what about Super Paper Mario makes you say 'Paper' rather than 'first timer's Photoshop adventure' but alright.
SPM has a quirky digital aesthetic, all the way down to Mario drawing a cursor around himself when he switches into 3D.
Really? You see Super Paper Mario and do not see "Paper" on its design?
Eurg, this aesthetic homogenisation really makes this world feel so much more boring and sterile than the awesome and charming costumes in 64/TTYD. One of the reasons I loved these games so much was seeing these characters in new and whimsical clothes.
Wow. All I can say is I'm so glad the only Paper Mario game I've ever played is SPM and that I'm not emotionally invested in this series at all, cuz yikes. It's also interesting that he mentions 'if fans like the new characters' so they're apparently not living in a bubble and are likely also aware of what PM fans are currently not happy about direction wise but just don't care.
Tanabe just seems really tone deaf in general and endlessly focused on dull, uninspiring game elements (see later MP games emphasis on the Federation and bland Hunters related characters). Glad he's not helming the core Mario games.
Tanabe just seems really tone deaf in general and endlessly focused on dull, uninspiring game elements (see later MP games emphasis on the Federation and bland Hunters related characters). Glad he's not helming the core Mario games.
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Yeah my takeaway from this is really that Super Paper Mario just drove a bulldozer through this franchise and it never recovered.
I wasn't exactly its biggest fan before and now...
Oh well. I'll never get that supposed "return to form," time to make peace with that.
Other than Slim, that game is probably the furthest removed from being anything close to "paper" in terms of design. It's more digital art.
Don't worry, he'll finally reach out to fans and people will celebrate him for Sylux Prime 4, coming soon.
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I get the feeling that Nintendo views TTYD/SPM the same way SEGA views the old Archie Sonic comic stuff
That's why they've both started over from scratch and now enforce stricter mandates on what can and can't be done with their characters/worlds.
That's why they've both started over from scratch and now enforce stricter mandates on what can and can't be done with their characters/worlds.
If they put Super Mario Land on a do not use list, I would be mad. There's potential in that setting and those characters.
Yea it's the big elephant in the room that sometimes gets hand waved in disucssions by people who don't get it.
I would even say that this culture probably directly impacts studios like Retro, IS, NLG, even Monolith. They are part of Nintendo but at the same time outsiders, so their is a level of mistrust and hand holding that they feel needs to happen and can lead to frustrations. Hell I think NoA probably feels it the most in their decision making.
the game that looks like this in 75% of gameplay?
yeah, no. that's digital art.
The reception of Super Paper Mario's story in a club Nintendo survey was apparently very negative. They mentioned it back during the pre-release cycle of Sticker Star.
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I was there for this game's reception and the general take was that the game's story was too long winded and broke up the game's pacing since text and cutscenes would just go on for seemingly ever. But like, no one was asking for there to be no story. People generally agreed that the writing itself was relatively good but the game was just paced poorly for it.
If anything I think this is an excellent example of how a user poll data can be misread and misunderstood without context. I guarantee that if you ran a similar poll at the same time about the first two games' stories you'd get significantly more favorable numbers.
the game that looks like this in 75% of gameplay?
yeah, no. that's digital art.
Digital art sure, but I don't get how you don't see "paper" in there too.
This is pretty much the model that Disney uses for their own franchises, marvel and star wars included. You can probably do new stuff but need to go through rigorous approvals, Nintendo wants full control of the brand and how it's portrayed and developed.
What part of Super Paper Mario leans on the "Paper" aspect? It's probably the furthest removed game in the series from that tbh.
Can Nintendo kill this series please? Because honestly what is the point in replicating but with paper the basic world/style of Super Mario?
Gosh, Odyssey takes a lot of freedom by creating a vast variety of locations and characters and with hats and dresses Mario change completely.
Moreover, what about Mario + Rabbids? That is a crazy crossover but it's... Ok?
I don't get it honestly.
Gosh, Odyssey takes a lot of freedom by creating a vast variety of locations and characters and with hats and dresses Mario change completely.
Moreover, what about Mario + Rabbids? That is a crazy crossover but it's... Ok?
I don't get it honestly.
