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Talk me out of buying a 4K TV*
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I can't link it right now but go to rtings.com and look at there guide to buying a TV for gaming. You will probably end up getting a TCL or a Vizio on the cheaper end. I have a tcl and outside of some bad dirty screen effect its great. You absolutely should get a 4k tv and it must MUST have good hdr implementation.
Your right not to worry about 120 fps because that's only available on top of the line tv's. When I was shopping I think I saw samsung has a TV that offers 120 fps on ONE input and it cost like $1800.
Your right not to worry about 120 fps because that's only available on top of the line tv's. When I was shopping I think I saw samsung has a TV that offers 120 fps on ONE input and it cost like $1800.
At the very least I would wait until the HDMI 2.1 software updates are out for the 2020 TVs so we know which ones perform best for those features. A bit silly to go out and buy one of those right now when we have no idea what bugs/issues some of them might have when the update comes out.
Native 4K with good IQ @ something like 55" is a very nice upgrade over 1080p. You're seeing more granular detail at that point which previously might have looked more like noise. Combined with HDR, those two make a pretty notable upgrade on a new TV. Assuming you're choosing a set with good HDR brightness and response time, you can find some value-priced options for exactly that (including the bigger size).
This said, the option of higher refresh rates and VRR will be something you may want to factor in for this gen. This will up the price of what you're looking for, but especially if you're happy with something like a good 1440p display w/ 120+hz/HDR/VRR around 32", there are some completely reasonable options out there.
Remember that HDMI 2.1 will only matter for you if you're planning to be running 4K @ 120hz, and a 2.0 port will run fine at something like 1440p @ 120hz, or 4K @ 60hz. As others have mentioned, rtings.com is a great resource for both individual device reviews, and also contextualizing what some of these features/qualities look like.
This said, the option of higher refresh rates and VRR will be something you may want to factor in for this gen. This will up the price of what you're looking for, but especially if you're happy with something like a good 1440p display w/ 120+hz/HDR/VRR around 32", there are some completely reasonable options out there.
Remember that HDMI 2.1 will only matter for you if you're planning to be running 4K @ 120hz, and a 2.0 port will run fine at something like 1440p @ 120hz, or 4K @ 60hz. As others have mentioned, rtings.com is a great resource for both individual device reviews, and also contextualizing what some of these features/qualities look like.
I'd argue that a lot of posts here are just as "helpful" as mine. It just seems better to say, "I'm looking to upgrade to 4K and need some advice" instead of, "Oh gosh convince me I don't need one!" It's like those, "Hey era, sell me on [Insert Game]" If you really need someone to make you not buy one, then you probably don't need one.
In any case, I actually do hope you find a good TV for what you're looking for.
I just went for a thread title that sounded more engaging and interesting. Sorry about that.
Haha 1 is for downstairs, my 2 sons have 1 each ready for next gen and I have 1 in the bedroom and misses uses one on a pc for craft designs. Like I said the main differences is night scenes with the better tvs and watching in a dark room will make it stick out more, especially films. Overall though it's a night and day difference going from 1080p to 4k and I convinced 2 family members it was and they upgraded and agreed.
Thanks. Sadly I'm in the UK so Vizio and TCL not viable options. European TCL models seem not so good compared to US. I have spent a lot of time on Rtings lol. Great site.
I have a gsync monitor and it's convinced me to get a VRR TV to replace my own 8yo Samsung TV. Personally I am holding out for 4k+hdr+HDMI2.1+VRR 75" oled or microled - which will be expensive.
If I was going on the cheap, those new TCLs are supposed to be quite good.
If I was going on the cheap, those new TCLs are supposed to be quite good.
This is a good point about 2.0 and 2.1. Wasnt it just confirmed series X has 1440p support and I'd imagine ps5 would to.
Sure there is. The selection of HDMI 2.1 TVs is pretty limited, especially if you don't want to go with OLED or are on a budget. Also, even worse is the selection of HDMI 2.1 AV Receivers is really bad right now. Those are two real good reasons to still be on 1080p in 2020 and into 2021.
Edit: Misread. Yes, it'll cap out just like it does now.
Why would I do that? I've experienced a huge difference in picture quality upgrading to a 4KTV. They're great.
Grab a 4K TV. There's no reason not to. Especially if you don't care about HDMI 2.1, even though there are several TVs that already support it and some that will be updates to do so at a great price!
Thanks. One of the sets I'm looking at has Freesync, which seems to be supported on the new consoles.
You should absolutely get a 4k HDR TV - but maybe wait until Quantum OLEDs come out next year- hypothetically these would be quite a big step forward for OLED (in brightness and color volume). I also don't understand the argument by some that 4K resolution isn't that big of a jump- in my experience it is very very noticeable- especially in gaming when you're constantly looking for details and movement in the game/ on the screen screen and controlling the camera yourself. Still noticeable in TV and film too but gaming even more-so. I would argue if you can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p then 4k is just as big of a jump - that's my opinion anyway!
I don't think PS5 supports Freesync; it just supports VRR over HDMI. Series S/X is confirmed to support Freesync though.
I've been rocking the same Sony Plasma for over a decade, and I obviously need an upgrade for the new consoles. So I'm showing my wife the X900H on display at Costco, and of course right next to it is a $3000 LG OLED and wants that. Clearly a better picture. Now the idea is in my head, and I gotta convince her and myself that we don't need to go that fancy.
If you can find a good TV for a price you are happy with, I would go for it.
I recently upgraded my cheap 50" 4K Hisense TV to a 65" LG C9 and was blown away by the difference. I thought my cheap 4K was great quality but popping in TLOU2 and Death Stranding and it was like experiencing them new and in a much more immersive way. Between the bigger size and the better picture quality (as well as OLED of course) I couldn't believe the difference.
Can't imagine going back to my old set or size now and the thought of swapping to a non 4K/HDR set is laughable.
I recently upgraded my cheap 50" 4K Hisense TV to a 65" LG C9 and was blown away by the difference. I thought my cheap 4K was great quality but popping in TLOU2 and Death Stranding and it was like experiencing them new and in a much more immersive way. Between the bigger size and the better picture quality (as well as OLED of course) I couldn't believe the difference.
Can't imagine going back to my old set or size now and the thought of swapping to a non 4K/HDR set is laughable.
Maybe. But XSX supports Freesync and that's my main console (well, it will be) so I should be good for MS and third-party games.
HDMI 2.1 is just starting now to spread to be common. By 2021, there should be plenty of choices for sets and I imagine by 2022 everything will have it. HDMI 2.1 is going to be one of the standard pillars moving forward that everyone should have. If you're looking to buy a TV now and you're not getting something with HDMI 2.1 with support features, you're really jumping into it at the worst timing when these are going to be very common soon and standard. Not having it now will mean you'll need to upgrade your TV sooner rather than later.
Every TV in my house is 4k except my main TV (2x55" for the kids stations, a 75" in the living room, and a 75" in the bedroom). My new 4k just delivered (86", replacing my 75" 1080). It is literally in my media room right now in the box. I am waiting for a friend to come over to help mount it. I used the upcoming gen as an excuse to upgrade. I'm not gonna lie, it also bugged me a little bit that my kids had better quality picture than me when we were playing together lol. My old 75" 1080 will be my wife's station. Now we can all play together in the same room!
We'll all miss the 3D of the 1080 though :(
We'll all miss the 3D of the 1080 though :(
OK, but if XSX supports Freesync then what else am I missing out on with HDMI 2.1? As far as I can tell it's mostly VRR, which Freesync does. Obviously I might be missing something.
This was my problem too when I was looking for 4k TVs in the Philippines. Models across multiple manufacturers never seem to match what you can find in the US and if you did find one that had a similar model name/code, the feature set would be significantly different and a lot of times, much worse.
Is it possible to get a 4K TV with HDR10, VRR/ARR (whatever that is), 120Hz, and all that jazz for under $1500?
The human eye can't even see beyond 1080p. You're wasting money on fake pixels chump.
I just bought the Sony x900h which has all of that (or will when a firmware update comes out shortly) for 1500 CAD for a 65". It's 900 or so US right now.
But a better model still might go on sale for less. Black Friday sales are often to clear out last years' models, so the top end TVs are frequently 50% off or more at some point between Black Friday and the new year. If you're looking for a deal, that's what to look for, and the other models get discounted as well but usually not quite as drastically. Anyway, don't buy one at full price any time soon for sure.
The LG 48" CX is always under $1500. The 55" right now is on sale for $1599 but I totally expect that to be under $1500 during the holidays. The LG C9s had fantastic deals during the last holiday season. I believe as low as $1099 for the 55" model. Vizio has a 55" for I think $1199 too but I haven't kept up with the reviews on their OLED line to know how it stacks up to the LG.
Thanks for this info. It's very helpful. How much would an OLED with all the needed features cost if it's 75"?
For something in that size range, you're looking around the $3500 to $3700 price point at the moment and you're limited to LG and Sony right now for those choices. I haven't followed that size in their pricing closely so I don't know what you can expect for holiday pricing and discounts beyond the holidays for those. I imagine they'll be under $3000 possibly though.
Appreciate the realistic pricing. I've been holding off on getting a 4k TV for years lol.
I've been waiting for the 48 inch to dip below 1500 for weeks and it hasn't a single time, the only time was recently at Walmart and it was still 1485 or some shit like that
Where are you seeing these deals on the 48 inch
I want folks to understand that they don't need to spend 1000 dollars or more for a 4k tv. I bought my mom a 4k 55 inch TCL tv with HDR and dolby vision for black friday 2018 and I spent $260 or $270 on amazon the week before or after black friday 2018. The tv isn't like my OLED in quality but it works. I think some folks should consider more budget 40-50-55 inch 4k tvs. They work great and look fine. A 4k ps5 game is a 4k ps5 game. For 200-300 dollars, they are honestly giving the tvs away at this point. Of course though a 1500 OLED LG is a different thing altogether.
I see $1449 at Best Buy right now and I believe I've seen it there for less. Nothing below $1400 though. Based on previous holiday seasons, I'm expecting the 48" to go for less during that time period. However, if the set is popular enough we might not see it have the big discounts like the 55" and 65" have had in the past.
this is what I've been seeing at Best Buy for weeks, no changes other than the 55 inch, it just sits at $1500 forever
Probably agree on the 48 inch not getting a big holiday discount because it's also eating some of the monitor market for people I've seen
Odd, I just clicked on it and I see this:
$1,449.99Your price for this item is $1,449.99
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Was $1,599.99
