Taliban has retaken full control of Afghanistan and declare Islamic Emirate

[vestan]

UPDATES:

• UPDATE 5 16/08/2021: Taliban declare Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (Al Jazeera)
• UPDATE 4 16/08/2021: 13:04 BST, China ready to deepen relations with Taliban (France24)
• UPDATE 3 15/08/2021: 18:08 BST, Taliban claim to control 11 of Kabul's 15 districts, heavy presence on ground (Al Arabiya)
• UPDATE 2 15/08/2021: 16:40 BST, Taliban reject notion of transitional government and expect complete handover of power. Taliban forces take control of Presidential Palace (Reuters)
• UPDATE 1 15/08/2021: 15:02 BST, Ghani has now fled the country (BBC)

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Source: Al Arabiya

Afghanistan's president will abdicate in the next few hours after the Taliban entered the city on Sunday, according to Al Arabiya sources. Power will be transferred peacefully without a fight, according to the Afghan interior ministry.

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Ali Ahmad Jilali, the US-based academic and former Afghan interior minister, has been tapped to head an interim Afghan administration, according to Reuters diplomatic sources. Clashes between the Afghan army and the Taliban took place in the southern and northern outskirts of the city, although a Taliban spokesperson says the group was instructed not to storm the city, which is the government's last stronghold in the country.

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US diplomats were evacuated from the country's embassy by helicopter, and an official said that fewer than 50 staff will remain in the city.

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More in the article but wow, some crazy scenes coming out of this situation. An Afghan delegation will meet in Qatar to negotiate with Taliban representatives and discuss a transition of power.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Crazy to think that this war/occupation has spanned my entire adult life and time on online forums, from IGN to the old place to here.

In the end there was no real political will to keep the Taliban out of power, so there was never going to be a lasting US puppet government without the US always having a military presence.

 

[vestan]

In the end there was no real political will to keep the Taliban out of power, so there was never going to be a lasting US puppet government without the US always having a military presence.

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Yup, precisely. 75k Taliban vs 300k ANA with the best gear around. Almost all territory given over without a fight, what is there to fight for in the first place? Absolutely no one except Afghan warlords wanted an American backed government and as you say, it was destined to fail the moment the US began to withdraw.

 

[Quinton]

It's strange. It all feels so inevitable. And people have discussed this inevitability in front of me online and offline for many years. But somehow the imagery here still feels striking.

 

[Einherjer]

Disclaimer:
WARNING the following statement is meant as sarcasm, please see here for an explanation of the term thank you for your understanding.

Seriously i can't wait for these extremist assholes to start bombings in the west again as soon as they are done torturing and killing everyone not in line with them down there.

Which means the US and rest of the world in tow will be back there bombing the shit out them in no time just like the last few times sigh.

 

[Mr.Arrow]

Seriously i can't wait for these extremist assholes to start bombings in the west again as soon as they are done torturing and killing everyone not in line with them down there.

Which means the US and rest of the world in tow will be back there bombing the shit out them in no time just like the last few times sigh.

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Taliban isn't like ISIS. They are an isolationist and have zero desire to expand.

if anything it will be like 90's Afghanistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Emirate_of_Afghanistan

 

[ann3nova.]

Najafizada's tweet just wrecks me.

 

[Hadok]

vs 300k ANA with the best gear around.

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Well,the number is probably false.And the best gear....probably has been offered to the ennemy because of corruption.

"In a quarterly report from July 30, 2020, SIGAR quoted an Afghan government assessment that in Kandahar, Zabul, Helmand and Uruzgan provinces, 50% to 70% of police posts are filled by ghost personnel. The lack of accurate figures further raises questions over the strength of the Afghan forces.

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/intern...-security-for-decades-corruption-1019270.html
SIGAR has expressed serious concerns about the corrosive effects of corruption within the ANDSF (including the existence of ghost soldiers and police); the questionable accuracy of data on the actual strength of the force; the inability of assessment methodologies to account for the influence on combat readiness of intangible factors such as the will to fight"..

https://www.deccanherald.com/intern...-security-for-decades-corruption-1019270.html

 

[vestan]

Well,the number is probably false.And the best gear....probably has been offered to the ennemy because of corruption.

"In a quarterly report from July 30, 2020, SIGAR quoted an Afghan government assessment that in Kandahar, Zabul, Helmand and Uruzgan provinces, 50% to 70% of police posts are filled by ghost personnel. The lack of accurate figures further raises quest...
SIGAR has expressed serious concerns about the corrosive effects of corruption within the ANDSF (including the existence of ghost soldiers and police); the questionable accuracy of data on the actual strength of the force; the inability of assessment methodologies to account for the influence on combat readiness of intangible factors such as the will to fight"..

https://www.deccanherald.com/intern...-security-for-decades-corruption-1019270.html

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Interesting, thanks for clearing that up

 

[Kinthey]

Everything just going back to how it was. Just depressing all around. From the pointlessness of the war and occupation to the people who will now suffer under the taliban.

Also kind of eerie to see twitter comments celebrating the overpainting of the advertisements

 

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[sphagnum]

About as good of an outcome as we could hope for at this point I suppose. There's no point in fighting, everyone knows the US-backed regime is doomed, why bother wasting more lives. Just try to have as smooth a transition as possible and be done with it.

Unfortunately, despite having been humiliated yet again, somehow I doubt the US government will learn its lesson when it comes to foreign wars.

 

[Hollywood Duo]

Let's hope it stays nonviolent. There's been enough death.

 

[GalvoAg]

Seriously i can't wait for these extremist assholes to start bombings in the west again as soon as they are done torturing and killing everyone not in line with them down there.

Which means the US and rest of the world in tow will be back there bombing the shit out them in no time just like the last few times sigh.

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Sad but probably true, it's a never ending cycle.

 

[dunkzilla]

Seriously i can't wait for these extremist assholes to start bombings in the west again as soon as they are done torturing and killing everyone not in line with them down there.

Which means the US and rest of the world in tow will be back there bombing the shit out them in no time just like the last few times sigh.

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Pretty awful wording there.

 

[UltimateHigh]

clearly the power structures, whatever it was thats set up there, has zero interest keeping the Taliban out.

 

[Einherjer]

Taliban isn't like ISIS. They are an isolationist and have zero desire to expand.

if anything it will be like 90's Afghanistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Emirate_of_Afghanistan

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I don't trust them one inch Afghanistan is practically the birthplace of the modern Islamist terrorism at best it will be a safe haven for groups like Al-Qaeda again in the future under the Taliban.

Pretty awful wording there.

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What do you want me to sugarcoat it?

 

[Liquid Plejades]

My family was lucky enough to find refuge in neighbouring countries when Taliban was in power, and we found an escape to the west.

I became a teacher and educator here in canada because I wanted to go eventually back home to Afghanistan and start a school and help children, as my childhood was absolutely nonexistent and rife with trauma due to the constant war in my country.

This whole thing has just exhausts me so much, knowing what is going to happen to so many people there. I have zero faith as of right now that Taliban will be different this time around. My heart breaks for everyone. My moms been in tears this entire week as she hasn't been able to visit her family for years back home and now with all of this can't visit for god knows how many more years.

I'll also add, I fully blame the corrupt afghan government for this. The US for sure has a part, but the amount of people I know that basically spent the last decade just funnelling the aid money out of the country and enriching themselves is just astounding. I even have childhood friends who got jobs in the Afghan government and bought lavish homes in Dubai and Saudi Arabia and have already fled. They don't give a damn, because they are multi millionaires now and will live a luxurious life and their children will go to private boarding school, while everyone back home suffers.

 

[Kayla]

How soon until the taliban start purging everyone they feel is undesirable ?

 

[Sqrt]

Part Two?

 

[Ramsay]

Realistically, either the US, China or Russia will be back in Afghanistan in 10 years time after the Taliban commits or harbors a terrorist that commits a major terrorist attack somewhere else.

The Taliban will never move past their 7th century worldview, and as such, the cycle of attacks, bombings and war will continue. What will end this wretched cycle, none of us knows.

 

[dunkzilla]

I don't trust them one inch Afghanistan is practically the birthplace of the modern Islamist terrorism at best it will be a safe haven for groups like Al-Qaeda again in the future under the Taliban.



What you want me to sugarcoat it?

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You can't wait until people get bombed? You're fucked.

 

[StarStorm]

Wow at that traffic jam. At least they are not storming Kabul.

 

[crazy monkey]

Seriously i can't wait for these extremist assholes to start bombings in the west again as soon as they are done torturing and killing everyone not in line with them down there.

Which means the US and rest of the world in tow will be back there bombing the shit out them in no time just like the last few times sigh.

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I think it was more of Saudi citizens that attacked usa. Us did nothing to solve that.

 

[Deleted member 7051]

Let's hope it stays nonviolent. There's been enough death.

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It's the Taliban. Once they're in power, once this peaceful transition is over, there will be plenty of violence. Reports already indicate they're going from house to house, stealing preteen girls and forcing them into marriages, and drawing up lists of all unmarried women in the region to do much the same.

Basically if you aren't fleeing the country now, you're going to wish you had. Especially if you're an unmarried woman, since you'll be nothing but a prize for the loyal Taliban fighters.

 

[DOT_mjo]

So was there a single positive out of the occupation of Afghanistan?

Also the way some of y'all speak about other nations is a little yikes.

 

[Thorn]

20 Years.
2 TRILLION dollars.
Countless lives.

For literally nothing.

Damn George W Bush and his administration to hell.

 

[Cation]

Im sure many will be killed - which is the real issue here.

The real question is if/when the Taliban realize running a nation is a hard task and begin to create an organized structure that is stable. That is a possibility, but I do not see this happening after the initial bloodshed and chaos.

Then again, we dont know if there is a deal that China and Russia with the Taliban to avoid such bloodshed.

 

[Deleted member 10014]

Seriously i can't wait for these extremist assholes to start bombings in the west again as soon as they are done torturing and killing everyone not in line with them down there.

Which means the US and rest of the world in tow will be back there bombing the shit out them in no time just like the last few times sigh.

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Also here's the thing. 9/11 was committed by Saudi nationals.

The Taliban never "started bombings in the west".

The whole "war on terror" was about making money for military contractors disguised as a revenge mission, disguised as a "regime change" mission, disguised as a humanitarian mission.

You may want to do some research.

 

[Pankratous]

How's women's rights under Taliban vs the current government? My guess is it goes from terrible to absolutely fucking even more terrible?

 

[Ramsay]

How's women's rights under Taliban vs the current government? My guess is it goes from terrible to absolutely fucking even more terrible?

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The previous government was bad on women's rights, but it looks like a Scandinavian country in comparison to the Taliban:

Treatment of women by the Taliban - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Kensation]

So was there a single positive out of the occupation of Afghanistan?

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We got to shoot a lot of guns! /s

 

[Patryn]

How's women's rights under Taliban vs the current government? My guess is it goes from terrible to absolutely fucking even more terrible?

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Literally non-existent. Educating girls is banned. Women become more or less property.

 

[Einherjer]

Pretty awful wording there.

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You can't wait until people get bombed? You're fucked.

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[Cake Boss]

Seriously i can't wait for these extremist assholes to start bombings in the west again as soon as they are done torturing and killing everyone not in line with them down there.

Which means the US and rest of the world in tow will be back there bombing the shit out them in no time just like the last few times sigh.

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can't wait for bombings now? wtf is this.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

This is tragic, but the last 20 years have shown that military intervention isn't the way to affect change in Afghanistan. I don't have the answers.

 

[Neoleo2143]

How's women's rights under Taliban vs the current government? My guess is it goes from terrible to absolutely fucking even more terrible?

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They're basically not considered human in any meaningful way beyond the basic needs to maintain life (and even that is suspect in these sorts of power dynamics anyway).

 

[excelsiorlef]

don't trust them one inch Afghanistan is practically the birthplace of the modern Islamist terrorism

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Uh that's Saudi-Arabia

 

[Lkr]

How's women's rights under Taliban vs the current government? My guess is it goes from terrible to absolutely fucking even more terrible?

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the tweet of them painting over billboards of women should clear that up unfortunately

 

[Deleted member 83599]

Seriously i can't wait for these extremist assholes to start bombings in the west again as soon as they are done torturing and killing everyone not in line with them down there.

Which means the US and rest of the world in tow will be back there bombing the shit out them in no time just like the last few times sigh.

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Sad but probably true, it's a never ending cycle.

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Realistically, either the US, China or Russia will be back in Afghanistan in 10 years time after the Taliban commits or harbors a terrorist that commits a major terrorist attack somewhere else.

The Taliban will never change, and as such, the cycle of attacks, bombings and war will continue. What will end this wretched cycle, none of us knows.

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The Taliban isn't in the business of coordinating foreign terrorist attacks. They weren't in 2001 and they aren't now.

And I'm also skeptical that the Taliban is going to be eager to provide safe haven to Bin Laden/ISIL types after doing so in 2001 got their asses overthrown by the U.S.

I think they're going to do everything they can to avoid provoking another foreign intervention so they can terrorize the Afghani population, especially women, without the West getting in their way.

 

[Golding]

Seriously i can't wait for these extremist assholes to start bombings in the west again as soon as they are done torturing and killing everyone not in line with them down there.

Which means the US and rest of the world in tow will be back there bombing the shit out them in no time just like the last few times sigh.

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[lunarworks]

Wow at that traffic jam. At least they are not storming Kabul.

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I imagine they want out in case the Taliban decides it's time to punish "big city liberals".

 

[gozu]

I have zero faith as of right now that Taliban will be different this time around. My heart breaks for everyone. My moms been in tears this entire week as she hasn't been able to visit her family for years back home and now with all of this can't visit for god knows how many more years.

I'll also add, I fully blame the corrupt afghan government for this. The US for sure has a part, but the amount of people I know that basically spent the last decade just funnelling the aid money out of the country and enriching themselves is just astounding. I even have childhood friends who got jobs in the Afghan government and bought lavish homes in Dubai and Saudi Arabia and have already fled. They don't give a damn, because they are multi millionaires now and will live a luxurious life and their children will go to private boarding school, while everyone back home suffers.

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This fucking sucks on so many levels for you. You have my sympathy :(

Thank you for enlightening us.

 

[myth]

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Mind-blowing that people here actually thought you want bombings...

 

[jph139]

I'm glad lives aren't being wasted, but damn, that's so much faster than even the worst case scenarios suggested. I hope that people with the ability to get out are able to do so.

Taliban isn't like ISIS. They are an isolationist and have zero desire to expand.

if anything it will be like 90's Afghanistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Emirate_of_Afghanistan

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I don't even know how valid it is, but the "info box" on that page including "Anthem: None (music was outlawed)" is bleakly funny. Kind of says it all.

 

[Pankratous]

The previous government was bad on women's rights, but it looks like a Scandinavian country in comparison to the Taliban:

Treatment of women by the Taliban - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Literally non-existent. Educating girls is banned. Women become more or less property.

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They're basically not considered human in any meaningful way beyond the basic needs to maintain life (and even that is suspect in these sorts of power dynamics anyway).

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the tweet of them painting over billboards of women should clear that up unfortunately

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Just read that Wiki page. Fucking hell. Absolutely disgusting. I can't believe something like this can exist.

 

[steejee]

While it fell faster than I thought, sadly this has been inevitable since Bush lost interst in Afghanistan and wanted to get revenge for Daddy in Iraq.

The levels of systemic corruption that came from us dumping cash into a poor country without accountability meant they never really had a shot.

We need to be offering resettlement to every Afghani that asks for it.

 

[gozu]

They're basically not considered human in any meaningful way beyond the basic needs to maintain life (and even that is suspect in these sorts of power dynamics anyway).

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Basically. Their only status comes from being the mother or sister of someone important. That's it. It's utterly disgusting.

 

[gcubed]

not sure what was accomplished if after 20 years of support, training and funding the Afghan army lasted…. 2 weeks?

 

[Annubis]

Well,the number is probably false.And the best gear....probably has been offered to the ennemy because of corruption.

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I remember reading something by a soldier there about rifles always needing to be brought because they would basically empty themselves. People would steal them and sell them and according to the soldier, it wasn't even seen badly to do so over there.