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Take-Two CEO says games are ten years from photorealism
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I can see it happening if cloud streaming takes over in any meaningful way. If not then I think it'll take longer
If you could take the same models and assets they're making right now and just fully path-trace them I think we'd be good. Of course games are gonna keep improving beyond that, but hardware capable of fully path-tracing would bring CGI fidelity to even low-budget or minimalist art-styles. I'm tired of playing something like COD and having it look incredible in the in-engine cutscenes but then turn off all the lighting and SSS for the gameplay. The engines have been capable of super high fidelity for a long time now, it's just the hardware can't run it properly.
I am sure that as soon as photorealism becomes viable, every dev that makes cartoony games will realize theyre making games for kids and stop. Only real games from now on. /s
How? The more we go into the future the more we will go away from natively running games.
Once we will be forced to use streaming subscription services you can kiss the crystal clarity goodbye.
Once we will be forced to use streaming subscription services you can kiss the crystal clarity goodbye.
I love movies. The difference for me is gaming is an interactive medium, so the uncanny valley sticks out more.
Yeah as long as it animates well I would be for something like this.
Not sure I agree. War for the Planet of the Apes is three years old and that shit straight up looks real:
You guys need to go outside more often.
Note even close.
some environment scenes it does. and the in-engine cutscenes at times does. but we're going in the right direction. we'll see how they handle TLOU Part III for ps5
Yep. Maybe not "photoreal" but I always stated that this Generation is the transition Generation but NEXT Generation will be the Film/Game parity generation. More Films/Shows will be made in Real-Time and more games will be utilizing Film Techniques. It's going to be very exciting!
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10 years will likely plant us a couple years into the PS6/next Xbox generation.
So yeah, sounds about right to me.
So yeah, sounds about right to me.
I've thought so. It feels like it will happen the console generation after the next (so, PS7).
With the PS4/XboxOne generation it felt like parts of games arrived at photorealism, due to photogrammetry. Starting with a desert in EA's Battlefront, then the exterior of a building Resident Evil 2 or Modern Warfare.
Elements are going to get checked off in the next two console generations, from static to dynamic objects.
Capcom have jackets tailored and makeup applied to faces so they can scan them into games. Games could end up getting to a place where they build and scan sets, or scan a room and all of the objects that might go into it individually.
With the PS4/XboxOne generation it felt like parts of games arrived at photorealism, due to photogrammetry. Starting with a desert in EA's Battlefront, then the exterior of a building Resident Evil 2 or Modern Warfare.
Elements are going to get checked off in the next two console generations, from static to dynamic objects.
Capcom have jackets tailored and makeup applied to faces so they can scan them into games. Games could end up getting to a place where they build and scan sets, or scan a room and all of the objects that might go into it individually.
Sure but original assets will still take a lot of time, even if all you do is scan everything like Kojima did for DS. If you want everybody's abandoned apartment in to have different stuff in it, that will still take a lot of work, even if a lot of it is more like what a Hollywood production designer does. Photorealism is more than just graphics being very convincing, I expect we'll see more and more uncanny valley-type small details throwing you out of the game suddenly as graphics improve.
ceo: Hey, lead graphics designer of Rockstar, when is this gonna look really real?
lead: yeah, about that.
ceo: 10 years from now....!
lead: yeah, about that.
ceo: 10 years from now....!
Eh, the new standard for 'photo realism' always changes.
There have been a bunch of games throughout history that I remember the first time looking at them saying, "man, that looks *real*" and now when you look back on them you think you're crazy.
The first time I saw VirtuaRacer in the arcade I said like "man that looks real, games cannot look better than that..."
The first time I saw Madden 2001 full page spread in Nextgeneration magazine, I said... that's it... that's peak football graphics.
The first time playing LinksLS on PC, back in 1999 or whenever, I just said... that's it, that looks exactly like watching TV, real life golf.
And this has happened countless times. The original Fight Night, I thought, man, you can't get a better looking Mohammed Ali than that. NOw looking back at these games it's laughable to me that I would have thought those are "real" looking graphics. Now I just know that my expectations will always change when the next generation comes along. Like it's so obvious that VirtuaRacer *is not real* it... looks farsical to even think that, but when that's all you know, when you can't see anything else that looks better, and also your mind fills in the gaps where the unreality is.
That last point about your mind filling in the gaps is interesting for me, and I often wonder if the more photo realism that we get to, the less capable our brain is of filling in the gaps or not, and then where something doesn't look or act real ends up distracting or breaking the illusion of reality more than if it's not that close in the first place.
There have been a bunch of games throughout history that I remember the first time looking at them saying, "man, that looks *real*" and now when you look back on them you think you're crazy.
The first time I saw VirtuaRacer in the arcade I said like "man that looks real, games cannot look better than that..."
The first time I saw Madden 2001 full page spread in Nextgeneration magazine, I said... that's it... that's peak football graphics.
The first time playing LinksLS on PC, back in 1999 or whenever, I just said... that's it, that looks exactly like watching TV, real life golf.
And this has happened countless times. The original Fight Night, I thought, man, you can't get a better looking Mohammed Ali than that. NOw looking back at these games it's laughable to me that I would have thought those are "real" looking graphics. Now I just know that my expectations will always change when the next generation comes along. Like it's so obvious that VirtuaRacer *is not real* it... looks farsical to even think that, but when that's all you know, when you can't see anything else that looks better, and also your mind fills in the gaps where the unreality is.
That last point about your mind filling in the gaps is interesting for me, and I often wonder if the more photo realism that we get to, the less capable our brain is of filling in the gaps or not, and then where something doesn't look or act real ends up distracting or breaking the illusion of reality more than if it's not that close in the first place.
Yeah original assets will take more resources than ever if you want them to look better than the competition, and its also true that the uncanny valley will become more and more common. Especially in animation. A smaller dev would go through a lot of trouble if they want a third person photorealistic game.
But we've already had photorealism in games
I know I asked this before but I dont remember getting a answer for this but....what game is this from?
He said "it's so realistic", not just "good". I did mean it in the most literal sense, it's just nowhere *near* realistic.
Medal of Honor (2010) cutscene
Also it's super optimistic that 2030-contemporary AAA gaming will be anything but a luxury reserved for the upper class
10-15 more years sounds more accurate to me. I don't doubt we'll get photorealistic graphics in the next decade or more what I'm more concerned about is animations (facial to be exact). We aren't close to photorealistic animations in in-game models yet. We aren't even there with Hollywood CGI models yet.
So he is saying 10th gen aka next gen once the cross gen period is over?
Might be too soon actually.
Might be too soon actually.
photorealism isn't the problem, animation is. if i see dopey ass walk cycles or people not walking on stairs realistically or magic wizard reload animations the authenticity is instantly gone.
It is very realistic looking at times. Just because you disagree doesn't mean you have to be rude.
I think RDR2, LOU2, God of War, Cyberpunk, and other games are doing great work to push the possibilities.
The next GTA will look better and be more impressive with detail over RDR2. As long as these companies keep looking at each others games and rivaling each other, things will always improve.
My one concern, there are too many things to miss or see by chance when expanding things with detail. How many people are not going to see most of the content in Cyberpunk or RDR2 because they only did certain things or the main quest. Dynamic events, moments and interactions. Any time i see a friend play RDR2, I see some new NPC interaction or moment in the wilderness that I did not encounter in my 90-100 hours.
How many of these details in games have I missed over the years? It is a bit overwhelming at times. Cyberpunk I will play a path, and i bet i will not see so many things and moments.
The next GTA will look better and be more impressive with detail over RDR2. As long as these companies keep looking at each others games and rivaling each other, things will always improve.
My one concern, there are too many things to miss or see by chance when expanding things with detail. How many people are not going to see most of the content in Cyberpunk or RDR2 because they only did certain things or the main quest. Dynamic events, moments and interactions. Any time i see a friend play RDR2, I see some new NPC interaction or moment in the wilderness that I did not encounter in my 90-100 hours.
How many of these details in games have I missed over the years? It is a bit overwhelming at times. Cyberpunk I will play a path, and i bet i will not see so many things and moments.
What makes you think that? Game and console prices have stagnated since decades - especially including inflation.
It's just really not. Not even close. It tries to go for a real look, but it's so obviously CG even from the tiniest screenshots.
What is pixar quality? Their films keep increasing in quality. We've already surpassed the original toy story and whatnot, but we're far from Toy Story 4.
Medal of Honor... Warfighter or one of those MOH games. Google "Medal of Honor Uncanny Valley" it comes up, it's this scene in a diner with 4 people.
Exactly!!! In in engine cutscenes even on PS4/xbox one already looks phenomenal.
Engines are apfantadtic nowadays. We need that fidelity during gameplay.
Damn, even demons souls that is a gorgeous game, there's a huge difference between the intro, that is said to be in engine, and the gameplay.
I honestly don't believe people saying they don't want better graphics...
And when I say graphics, I am saying everything, not only lighting and textures, but better technology in everything like realistic animations, facial animations, human behaviors, effects...
damn!! Imagine play a huge open world like the Witcher with graphics, technology and scope of the lord of the rings movies...
It will be absolute incredible And so much immersive.
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As I said earlier, it is to me. That doesn't mean "I don't go out".
or just stupid game stuff like "kneeling/crouching animation = stealth". there are so many internal contrivances and accepted workarounds unrelated to animation that make gaming a dipshit medium sometimes lol
