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FTF

Member
Oct 28, 2017
28,418
New York
smdh. Screw this guy. Serj is the voice and lifeblood of the band and at least he's made statements completely opposite of this douche.
 

Extra Sauce

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,917
Always read it as TV in general has degraded to overtly violent and sexualised drivel. I think you can pair it with Sugar! as a critique on mass media brainwashing the masses. It's not a slight to the porn industry.

nah. Not even directly tied to pornography (though certainly one can say how some pornos go there's a case to be made that porn producers can be terrible in how they treat female performers), it's mostly anti-consumerism and railing against some of the vapid coverage of the Iraq War at the time. Namely, it wasnt uncommon to see terrible photos coming out of Abu Ghraib, but media rarely went more than surface level about what was being shown.

thanks for the clarification, although wouldn't it be fair for someone to interpret their negative use of the word "sodomy" as an indirect criticism of a gay lifestyle?
 
Oct 25, 2017
15,070
System have never been ones to explain the meaning of their music, but you can get an idea of what Violent Pornography is about in this



Seems to me that they are talking about how conservatives demonize pornography and sex but profit from companies that invest in those mediums.

Yeah, they leave their songs up to interpretation and rarely seriously say what they're about.

Except Kill Rock And Roll, which(you might already know) is about Daron's guilt of running over a bunny rabbit during an evening drive.
 

Van Bur3n

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
26,089
I mean, how about "Science"? I like the band, but don't agree with all their views.

Edit: An argument can be made, I suppose, that the song is not anti-science, but then there's still that chorus....

I think the point of Science is more so trying to tell the importance of spirituality, the "most potent element of human existence." The song is clearly written by Serj who says his beliefs are based on Native American and Buddhist ideas. Dude probably doesn't have a hard-on for science, but I wouldn't call him anti-science like a religious nut would be.

That said, a song on the same album, ATWA, was written from Daron's infatuation with Charles Manson which I find to be the biggest offender of any SOAD song. Most of SOAD's songs smack, but there are absolutely some dumb ones written. Most I'd attribute to Daron because Daron is pretty dumb in a lot of areas.
 

Seiez

Member
Oct 29, 2017
409
To be honest...i read the title as "greatest fiend" and thought...that is on the money....only to realize what a shit show this is. Pretty sad
 

mugurumakensei

Elizabeth, I’m coming to join you!
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,328
thanks for the clarification, although wouldn't it be fair for someone to interpret their negative use of the word "sodomy" as an indirect criticism of a gay lifestyle?

Not really. It's about become desensitized by media that's not discerning and the case of Fox News celebratory of violence. In this case, it's comparing it to the likes of those hardcore sites that literally force the female performers to fellate in such a manner that they're choking until they puke.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,227
This is awful.

Serj is has good views. I can't find any quotes online from Daron though. Hopefully he has a sane stance in this. Scars on Broadway's songs make it seem like he'd be on the right side of history.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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thanks for the clarification, although wouldn't it be fair for someone to interpret their negative use of the word "sodomy" as an indirect criticism of a gay lifestyle?
If you want to go with the definition that sodomy is strictly anal sex, then I'm afraid that straight people can sodomise just as much.

I've always thought that sodomy is just whatever sexual acts are prohibited or at the very least frowned upon. So that can be oral, anal, sex with animals, etc.

You could even interpret as ironic usage because it's usually conservatives who are concerned with sodomy and violence, while it's channels such as Fox News that greatly sensationalise violence. It was written in the time of Iraq and Afghanistan. 24/7 news coverage of bombings and war.
 
Oct 25, 2017
15,070
This is awful.

Serj is has good views. I can't find any quotes online from Daron though. Hopefully he has a sane stance in this. Scars on Broadway's songs make it seem like he'd be on the right side of history.
Daron's an introvert that mostly makes music and keeps to himself and while he's not Einstein(though I think he's a brilliant songwriter), I see no fucking way he sides with John on any of this.
 

Juraash

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,362
God second of the 4 or so fave bands of the day. I'm keeping faith in Serj as he generally comes off as educated and not a tosser. Next up Anthony Kiedis saying all life matters and Till Lindemann coming full out right wing (Hoping all remain non right wing).

Thankfully the odds of Till saying anything of the sort are basically non-existent.
 

Extra Sauce

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Oct 27, 2017
5,917
If you want to go with the definition that sodomy is strictly anal sex, then I'm afraid that straight people can sodomise just as much.

I've always thought that sodomy is just whatever sexual acts are prohibited or at the very least frowned upon. So that can be oral, anal, sex with animals, etc.

You could even interpret as ironic usage because it's usually conservatives who are concerned with sodomy and violence, while it's channels such as Fox News that greatly sensationalise violence. It was written in the time of Iraq and Afghanistan. 24/7 news coverage of bombings and war.

definitely, I just wondered because when conservatives use the word "sodomy", it's usually in the form of hate speech against a specific group
 

Melkezadek

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Oct 27, 2017
2,168
Daron's an introvert that mostly makes music and keeps to himself and while he's not Einstein(though I think he's a brilliant songwriter), I see no fucking way he sides with John on any of this.

Yea, I can't really see him siding this John here, though in recent Scars interviews he does admit to being a gun owner and "not hating Trump as much as everyone else" which definitely irritated me.

Of all the band members, he certainly feels like the most "centrist" one, for lack of a better word. Here's a small clip from an interview he did around 2012.

 

ArchedThunder

Uncle Beerus
Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,068
Gonna go out on a limb and say he wasn't involved in the writing of any of the lyrics for their songs.
 

greengr

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Dec 3, 2018
2,712
SOAD is one of my favorite bands of all time and I have travelled hundreds of miles to see Serj live solo, having said that John can respectfully go fuck himself.
 

sapien85

Banned
Nov 8, 2017
5,427
Lol why the fuck were you in system of a down then? Fucking idiot. This is like being a rage against the machine member and supporting Trump. What state are you taking about to? Fucking delusional asshole. Kick this guy out of the band or I'll never attend a concert by SOAD again.
 

collige

Member
Oct 31, 2017
12,772
Oh, I just realized that him and Serj and in-laws. That makes things a lot trickier for them
 

sapien85

Banned
Nov 8, 2017
5,427
There's a history of Armenian support for Republicans I've noticed in California but they will never consider us white enough and supporting Trump's party is another level of shittiness from the Republican party pre Trump.
 

neon/drifter

Shit Shoe Wasp Smasher
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Apr 3, 2018
4,062
God second of the 4 or so fave bands of the day. I'm keeping faith in Serj as he generally comes off as educated and not a tosser. Next up Anthony Kiedis saying all life matters and Till Lindemann coming full out right wing (Hoping all remain non right wing).
Don't put that evil on me

RHCP were huge Bernie supporters so I don't think they'd misunderstand BLM
 

Sanka

Banned
Feb 17, 2019
5,778
I read "greatest fiend" multiple times because by my brain just couldn't compute.
 

Dynedom

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Nov 1, 2017
4,699
Yeah not sure bout Jon's prospects in the band. If Serj lets this slide, it defeats the purposes of the band's messaging.
 

Curt Baboon

Avenger
Mar 13, 2018
3,571
Man, out of all people in the world; it has to be the drummer for this band...

Crazy. Hope they kick him out and actually record something some day.
 

Deleted member 9241

Oct 26, 2017
10,416
My friends and I had dinner in a shitty midnight diner in TN with the drummer back in 1998 after a show. They opened for Fear Factory in a club so small that held maybe 300 people standing room only. I believe Clutch was on the ticket as well. He was nice but quiet. He kind of sat back and laughed at all our antics the whole time. At the end of the meal, he put a bunch of gross stuff on a piece of toast and told one of my friends that if he ate it, he would pay for everyone's dinner. My friend ate it and dude kept his word.

Anyway.... apparently he's a MAGA guy now, so that sucks.
 

donkey

Sumo Digital Dev
Verified
Oct 24, 2017
4,861
Wow, I was just listening to B.Y.O.B. a couple minutes ago and then saw this thread. Talk about a neck snapper! At least Serj is still about it, phew.
 

Melkezadek

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Oct 27, 2017
2,168


Fuck John. He really doesn't give a fuck and it breaks my heart. This appealing to age infuriates me because it's not like my grandfather feels differently than I do. If he doesn't like violence, why isn't he talking about the police brutality that's going on AS WE SPEAK to peaceful protesters and in some cases innocent bystanders?
 
Dec 16, 2017
2,000
Some sample SOD lyrics for those unfamiliar with them.


"All research and successful drug policy
Shows that treatment should be increased
Oh
And law enforcement decreased
While abolishing mandatory minimum sentences
Oh"
 

MasterYoshi

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,037
Some sample SOD lyrics for those unfamiliar with them.


"All research and successful drug policy
Shows that treatment should be increased
Oh
And law enforcement decreased
While abolishing mandatory minimum sentences
Oh"



Circumventing circuses,
Lamenting in protest,
To visible police,
Presence sponsored fear,
Battalions of riot police,
With rubber bullet kisses,
Baton courtesy,
Service with a smile
Beyond the Staples Center you can see America,
With its tired, poor, avenging disgrace,
Peaceful, loving youth against the brutality,
Of plastic existence.
Pushing little children,
With their fully automatics,
They like to push the weak around,
Pushing little children,
With their fully automatics,
They like to push the weak around.
A rush of words,
Pleading to disperse,
Upon your naked walls, alive,
A political call,
The fall guy accord,
We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train,
Beyond the Staples Center you can see America,
With its tired, poor, avenging disgrace,
Peaceful, loving youth against the brutality,
Of plastic existence.
Pushing little children,
With their fully automatics,
They like to push the weak around,
Pushing little children,
With their fully automatics,
They like to push the weak around.
Push them around,
A deer dance, invitation to peace,
War staring you in the face, dressed in black.
With a helmet, fierce,
Trained and appropriate for the malcontents,
For the disproportioned malcontents
The little boy smiled
It'll all be well,
The little boy smiled
It'll all be well
Pushing little children,
With their fully automatics,
They like to push the weak around,
Pushing little children,
With their fully automatics,
They like to push the weak around.
Pushing little children,
With their fully automatics,
They like to push the weak around,
Push the weak around,
Push the weak around,
Push the weak around,
They like to push the weak around.
 

MasterYoshi

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,037


Fuck John. He really doesn't give a fuck and it breaks my heart. This appealing to age infuriates me because it's not like my grandfather feels differently than I do. If he doesn't like violence, why isn't he talking about the police brutality that's going on AS WE SPEAK to peaceful protesters and in some cases innocent bystanders?


Man, fuck Dolmayan, if he picks up the drumsticks to play another song for 'System of a Down' again, he's just further confirming what a fucking fraud and hypocrite he has shown himself to be. What a closed minded fool.