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Sword and Shield has cut moves (including Pursuit, Return, and Hidden Power)
- Thread starter Birdie
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I love it when other people don't have choice because I'm too indecisive.
Let's Thanos snap Netflix too because I hate spending too much time looking for a show.
I dunno, I thought this was obvious once the total amount of Pokemon was capped to a certain number. There's only but so many moves the game can have per type before redundancies overwhelm the system like we have up to Gen 7. Streamlining that can improve the balance.
Seriously. It just makes less Pokemon viable.
One of my favorites is Weavile. I don't know if it survived the snap, but if it did then it's going to be way less effective because it loses on of its main tools.
The cut moves aren't particularly important. Hidden Power is the biggest one, but I'm actually happy to see it gone.
What I'm more puzzled by is what they didn't cut. Things like Double Team, Minimize, Smokescreen, etc.
Even cutting Stealth Rock probably would have outweighed any negative move cuts. But once again, they generally ignore 6v6 singles despite that being the default mode for the campaign.
What I'm more puzzled by is what they didn't cut. Things like Double Team, Minimize, Smokescreen, etc.
Even cutting Stealth Rock probably would have outweighed any negative move cuts. But once again, they generally ignore 6v6 singles despite that being the default mode for the campaign.
Nerfing the competitive scene or whatever does not affect me. If it makes the main campaign even a tiny bit better, its all positive for me.
Yeah, I don't think anyone would argue that Hidden Power was good as it existed. It didn't include Fairy and was ludicrously time consuming to legitimately produce. Hidden Power very badly needed an overhaul for multiple generations and never got it.
But to simply remove it? That stuns me. They could have completely reworked the move so it was a 60 BP move whose type could be changed under certain criteria. Feed a Pokémon a special berry or drink or something. Or visit an NPC that helps a Pokémon unlock certain potential.
But removing it completely never crossed my mind. What are Pokémon like Magnezone supposed to do now? Unless moveset changes give these kinds of Pokémon other options, those Pokémon are just done.
Oh no, it's like you have no idea what you are talking about.
And ironically your post comes exactly after one with one big example of why this is bad for balance. Specifically:
This basically means every team will have one of those, especially considering Stealth Rock is still in and Ferrothorn is one of its more common setters. Whatever competitive scene that grows around this game will be focused on countering these two Pokemon out of 400. That's hilariously short-sighted and exactly the sort of "balance" one should be thankful for.
Is it bad I am glad Hidden Power is gone? That move required so much insane grinding to use properly.
While that is true, they clearly had a reason for removing these moves when designing the game's balance. They obviously decided that those moves weren't needed for what they're trying to achieve with this gen and I don't think the full impact of that will be known until the game is out and people start exploring the meta.
I agree though that on the surface this sucks
They could have streamlined the way to get it to work. I agree with the fact that it was dumb the way it was implemented in the first place, though.
I would have liked Hidden Power to have its power reduced to 45 or 50. It's too much of a lynchpin in so many things that it just dominated. So many sets included it
Nothing's been changed to Stealth Rock. In other words, no HP Fire and Stealth Rocks screwing over any checks to Ferrothorn means that Ferrothorn is now Mega Salamence-levels of broken.
Only in Pokemon do people complain about a game having too much variety in enemies
Don't tell me there's some GTS related fuckery. Please, don't tell if it's a 1 step forward, 2 steps back kind of thing...
Except as numerous people have mentioned, a number of these moves aren't redundant and there are seemingly no replacements for them
There is a small chance that the GTS is missing, the datamine might let us know for sure.
the real question, can you fuck with something that doesn't exist anymore
Cut, but with higher quality animations!
Joke aside, it's kinda sad to see what Pokemon main videogames are those days.
I miss Heartgold, with tons of content.
Joke aside, it's kinda sad to see what Pokemon main videogames are those days.
I miss Heartgold, with tons of content.
This is the biggest crime of all of this. I see they didn't cut minimize either. This would have been the perfect time to get rid of both of those garbage ass stall tactics.
My personal favourite of the series so far - admittedly haven't gotten around to playing Sun & Moon - was Black & White because it seemed like it was taking the most risks in order to improve the game.
I also remember being extremely excited about Diamond and Pearl because the physical/special split promised to make more Pokemon viable, and so pushing us closer to the mythical situation where you really can just pick your favourite Pokemon and succeed if you try hard enough.
Just looking at this list, I don't think it's in that same direction at all.
Boy are people going to be in for a rude awakening when they realise this game was seemingly very, very time constrained in development.
The move IDs still exist in the games, they're just dummied out. You'll probably be able to transfer them and the move will just get wiped in the process, or they'll just have a splash-style effect if you try to use them in battle.
Sword and Shield will tell you the move can't be used in this game and advise you to delete it.
Hopefully Home will let you edit movesets. Or maybe the moves will just be blanked upon import.
But if not... 🙃
Edit: Ah, good, I see this is already answered.
Based on datamined transfer text, you can transfer them, but you can't use the cut moves and the game strongly encourages you to remove the moves (although it seemingly doesn't do it automatically)
You can debate only 4 moves were relevant to the competitive meta (pursuit/hidden power/frustration/return).
The last 2 are debatable and likely replaceable. The first two were extremely important but people will adapt. I'm excited to see how the meta will take form in the games.
The last 2 are debatable and likely replaceable. The first two were extremely important but people will adapt. I'm excited to see how the meta will take form in the games.
User Warned: Lazy dev rhetoric
Just when you thought they couldn't possibly get more lazy with this.
It almost feels like they're intentionally trying to piss off the maximum amount of people lol.
Laziness has nothing to do with it. The game was clearly rushed.
It's possible that the GTS is on the list of things cut from this game.
My thoughts:
Getting rid of Return and Hidden Power makes sense, because Return is just a busy work move, which they are getting away from, and Hidden Power is basically RNG: The move, so fuck it anyway. These are removed so that building a team for online is easier.
Not getting rid of Stealth Rock is FUCKING DUMB. At least make it type agnostic and not take half a Poke's health away. I'd be fine with Rock types being immune to it, and Ghost/Flying being immune to Spikes, but type effectiveness outside of that is dumb.
I like how so far no one has said they've done a massive culling of items, which is seriously where they need to fucking remove shit.
Getting rid of Return and Hidden Power makes sense, because Return is just a busy work move, which they are getting away from, and Hidden Power is basically RNG: The move, so fuck it anyway. These are removed so that building a team for online is easier.
Not getting rid of Stealth Rock is FUCKING DUMB. At least make it type agnostic and not take half a Poke's health away. I'd be fine with Rock types being immune to it, and Ghost/Flying being immune to Spikes, but type effectiveness outside of that is dumb.
I like how so far no one has said they've done a massive culling of items, which is seriously where they need to fucking remove shit.
I didn't particularly mind that because that was the point. It's supposed to be a move to make your Pokemon a tiny bit more viable. Multiple Pokemon having it to cover weakness's made sense.
So basically the one feature which made it alright that they still had 2 versions, because it was easy to get the version exclusives from the other game...is possible gone? After being a series staple since online was introduced 13 years ago???