More work for the developers, sure, but it's a feature I always wanted.
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Sword and Shield director explains why they made it so EXP share can’t be turned off
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So I see you've yet to explain what removing this option gives you. It doesn't benefit people that use it and just makes it a worse game for people who didn't.
But i guess you don't care because "fuck you got mine" and you somehow think this gives you the right to somehow act like you're the better person here as you mock people for expressing disappointment at a completely baffling change.
Not a huge issue but it's gonna play havoc with my need to keep 'mon a similar level.
Wasn't a problem that needed addressing, really.
Wasn't a problem that needed addressing, really.
It's a feature I've wanted too, especially after Black 2 had a harder difficulty option.
WTF is this a real opinion?. we should remove option from every game then because of how smart it is.
More like you can't criticize anything that Game Freak does other wise you are, ahem, a child throwing a tantrum.
Well good for you then. Glad you can celebrate the fact you have the option to do something that's been in multiple games now but my preferred option has been removed.
"Stop complaining about Pokemon SM being handholdy and having no post game content. It's for kids, shut up"
"Stop complaining about let's Go! Being a celebration of all the bad choices you've been criticizing since Gen 6. You'll get your game next year, shut up"
"Ok so they removed all the Pokemon in the game that was meant to be for you hardcore players LMAO big deal, who cares about Maractus? The most popular ones are still going to be there, this is a non issue, stop acting like they're going to remove half of them. Shut up"
"Well ok they left Maractus, and removed 63% of the roster including fan favorites like Blaziken, Pidgeot and Mewtwo. Big deal, just make new favorites, shut up"
"Who cares about them removing options like turning off EXP Share? You're just a minority thats's throwing a tantrum, all RPGS do this, ignore the fact that they have difficulty options, you're just a manbaby, shut up"
Coming up:
"Well I have never ever used the Global Trade System so this is a non-issue, shut up"
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I honestly really hate the concept of the Exp. Share working for every Pokemon and it is going to actively make my enjoyment of the game lesser. I don't like the idea of one of my Pokemon evolving or using a move when it doesn't participate in a battle as dumb as that is, and I used to always try to keep all of my Pokemon at the same level in every game. The Exp. Share actively prevents me from playing the way I would like to.
so what if we're getting a lesser game for $20 usd more? I choose to buy it regardless because I am morally superior and can overlook the flaws of the game and reward companies for charging me more for less of a product.
I'm not a very eloquent person so thank you for putting this into words.
Interestingly the marketing itself shows off new QoL features intended for more hardcore players, like easier access to Egg moves and mints to change nature, as well as the feature described in the OP with the PC from anywhere. So the argument that the additional hours in development aren't worth it because few players will use this feature is weird to me, as they are clearly implementing and testing these new QoL features while still preserving the older and more difficult method, and I'm not sure to what degree the casual player will choose to use these mints or keep track of Egg moves.
they've been already saying this on a few threads. "I bet no one used it"
MFW that's how I got my Living Dex in XY and then ORAS
In a few years GF will say "we see that most people today don't play games anymore, they just buy them and never play them so we decided to just charge you 60 bucks and not make any game, you don't have to play anything that way" and people will be like "oh okay that's fair, I don't even play Pokemon anymore, I'm gonna buy the game they won't make".
I know that and is something I like, but has nothing to do with removing this kind of options.
Its not a BIG deal, (unless the exp share keep sharing EVs, in that case I'll riot), but I dont care a lot about the game campaign (I like competitive play) but having my pokemons underlvl was the only way of having some kind of challenge, now they removed it just becuase few people used it?.
Oh yeah here it is the new exp distribution.
This wasn't in XY or SM as far as I remember every pokemon would get the same exp which is why it was flawed to begin with and why it was required to turn off to prevent overleveled pokemon.
Exp scaling was in gen 7 (and in gen 5 though no party-wide exp share in that game). It helped reduce the overleveling aspect of the exp share from being 15-20 levels ahead of your opponents to 5-10, but while that's better that's still not enough for people looking for a challenge.
What if they forced auto correct steering and motion controls in Kart 8? Things that were options but now they "design the game that way"
Your argument can be used to justify any number of bad decisions and shows a complete lack of forethought.
While we're at it, lets design games with fixed brightness and inverted cameras. Subtitles always on and you cant skip cutscenes. as long as we design it that way its still a perfectly fine thing. Nobody should have any problem with it.
Oh yeah here it is the new exp distribution.
This wasn't in XY or SM as far as I remember every pokemon would get the same exp which is why it was flawed to begin with and why it was required to turn off to prevent overleveled pokemon.
This kind of exp distribution was in Gen 7. And your party still overleveled like crazy
Don't worry I am glad. I don't go into every Pokemon thread looking to moan. Yesterday we had a topic called #ThankYouGameFreak about a trending hash tag but within 3 pages it was derailed and locked. In an industry where developers are treated poorly by fans and managers, we couldn't even have one positive topic about developers.
God, same. It also feels wrong to me for one of my Pokemon to evolve from a battle it never even appeared in. It fucks with how I like to interpret my journey (yes, I really care about being able to craft a narrative of my own when I play Pokemon, sorry lol). And just like you, I ALWAYS had to make sure that everyone was at the same level at all times. Once one mon gets to level 12, it's to the next in line to level 12, and the next and so on.
Having to take each Pokemon one by one out of the PC and alternate them in and out over and over is not a solution at all, and actually makes the whole thing way more complicated than just switching 'off' in a menu. It's also really lame the idea of never having your full team with you at all times just to keep them at the same level. It's a completely invalid workaround that doesn't give you the same experience as just having Exp. Share off.
I play with EXP Share on nowadays and to be honest going back to pre Gen 6 without it is a minor inconvenience that I am used to and adjust to quickly. But man is that a dismissive answer, even if I get it. However because of how dismissive it is is an issue in itself. On one hand their consumer base is indeed younger than their more passioned fans, on the other hand this is admist Nintendo reinvrnting the wheel so to speak, still appealing to younger and newer fans while adrrssing the growing issue of the makret in general in which their is always going to be an ever growing adult consumer base that will still buy their products. Being outright dismissive of that consumer base is flatout wrong, and relying on recycling your product every 5 or so years for a new batch of kids is gonna settle in a series decline as you continue to pass over the others. Nothing is too big to fail, even Pokemon.
As for people mentioning other RPGs, Pokemon has always been a single member RPG then a party RPG. It made sense and still makes sense that the battling member is the only member that gains experience, that is the whole point of the exp share, it shares its battle experience with the others. Removing the option to keep it like thst is a complete removal from that core tenant. It is in no way the same thing as other RPGs and dismissing the option with this comparison js factually wrong.
As for people mentioning other RPGs, Pokemon has always been a single member RPG then a party RPG. It made sense and still makes sense that the battling member is the only member that gains experience, that is the whole point of the exp share, it shares its battle experience with the others. Removing the option to keep it like thst is a complete removal from that core tenant. It is in no way the same thing as other RPGs and dismissing the option with this comparison js factually wrong.
Oh I'm not disagreeing, I just think their decision feels inconsistent with the otherwise solid approach they are taking.
Yeah, I know it's silly, but I also enjoy crafting a narrative in my head like that when I play Pokemon, and this actively messes with my ability to have fun in that sort of way. In Let's Go, I had to have 13 Pokemon rotating in and out to even feel okay with how the Exp. Share worked in that game, so I'm not sure how I'm going to deal with it in this game where I actually just want to have a core team of 6.
Not only that, but I also did the same thing, ordering my Pokemon in order from lowest to highest level on my team because it'd make me annoyed to not have them in order and not have them at the same level. Thanks Game Freak, I'm sure I'll have a good time with my team at weirdly fluctuating levels because I couldn't have an off switch because not enough people cared or whatever.
Oh yeah here it is the new exp distribution.
This wasn't in XY or SM as far as I remember every pokemon would get the same exp which is why it was flawed to begin with and why it was required to turn off to prevent overleveled pokemon.
The thing is with this exp scaling, whenever the level gap starts to close, you start getting more exp which increases the gap again. This keeps you permanently overleveled.
If Gamefreak seriously wants to balance around exp share, then they would have to change every pokemons exp requirement, the levels which they evolve, the levels where they learn certain moves, etc. Basically way more work than just letting it be a toggle.
Sorry I don't accept everything GF is doing. I guess I shouldn't express disappointment with anything. Hey I never play online so hopefully they get rid of that next Gen.
Not developing software during software development uuuuuh finds an efficient way
The thing is, Pokemon has such a huge fanbase that even the "hardcore players" care about vastly differing things, depending on whom you ask. Since gen 6 GF have admittedly made it easier to get into competitive battling but they have done very little to please the subset of hardcore players asking for more challenge in the campaign and more involved postgame. That's my take on it, at least.
So not only have you played a game with forced motion steering that doesnt allow you off road, with fixed brightness and inverted camera controls with forced subtitles on unskippable cutscenes, but you'll play any game no matter how much it inconveniences you simply because "thats how it was made and you cant criticise it"
Is that what youre saying?
What even happened to that thread? Are we just not allowed to have positive threads now?
Please excuse the random notifications you'll get throughout the week as I link back to this post in other threads
Don't complain, just consume product.
Thank you GF for removing an option I didn't know I don't need, I see how it should be now.
Of course, I'm just trying to make a point against the argument that 'it takes time to engineer and test a toggle that few people want or use', especially when it's a toggle that's been present in the previous games, and toggles like Shift vs. Set are probably still present. I think the option to disable this feature is much smaller in scope than adding hundreds of Pokemon or even adding in additional features for competitive play, so I just think it's a confusing decision.
You're the one that started quoting me just because I said I like exp share. You're free to express displeasure but it happens in EVERY topic, it's like the cool aid man. I can make a topic asking what is everyone's fave Pokemon and someone will come in and say "BUT ABOUT THAT NEW POKEMON GAME..."
It's funny, because judging on the Previews, they did away with all the hand holdy stuff from Sun and Moon.
There was also the whole stop complaining about not being able to use the Pro Controller in LET'S go, it was made for throwing pokeballs even though it has a gyro. And then we find out you can play the game fine in handheld mode, so LG didnt have Pro controller support for no good reason.
I mean, I'd be fine with this.. If, the game was actually balanced around it (which I assume it will not), and there was a proper hard-mode available. The games were already easy to the point of making the actually good turn-based combat just boring, and that was before exp. share became party-wide and with no downsides. Even when you turn it off, a full party of six will usually be just as over-levelled as they were in the old games.
I've played games with all of the above except the forced steering. I just carried on and played the game, that's what I am saying.
Game Freak, I love you!
This thread is still open and even brings up the hashtag, the thread specifically about the hashtag didn't result in any productive discussion. The official non-spoiler discussion thread is also predominantly positive as well as the leaks one, with people being excited about what they've seen. This is a thread about an option they removed, it's not really surprising that there's backlash.
I'm not going to pretend for a second that SS don't have some improvements, but as always with GF one step forward, three steps back.
Dexit was absurd and overall much worse, but this decision comes off as even more idiotic considering a) its been on by default the last 2 generations, b) it adds some options for difficulty for people who want more of a challenge and c)there is literally no downside to have it as a toggle able option.
Just classic absurdly stupid moves by gamefreak people have been accustomed to.
Just classic absurdly stupid moves by gamefreak people have been accustomed to.
Well, this one is about them removing a feature though, it's kinda implied people will be disappointed, maybe you should save that discontent about people complaining for these other threads.