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Swapped batman and catwoman character models (Batman: Arkham Knight)
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I don't get the "catwoman's movements (animation) is too sexualized" argument up in here, out of all female comic book characters, isn't she pretty much a seductive, visually distracting, S&M jewel thief in PVC that also happens to have some fighting chops? I don't usually care for Anne Hathaway's dramatic acting, but she nailed it as Catwoman with her psychical acting in one of them Nolan Bats movies.
Don't you even think how overdone and exaggerated it is? You say Anne Hathaway as example, but she never took the character to that extreme, she was kind of sassy, but this is basically teen horny level of female depiction.
Is really ridiculous.
There's your problem—it's not "all about" that, and there's room for restraint when it comes to animating her movements. It's not all-or-nothing the way you're continually trying to frame it
I guess it's Batman with a feminine walk and demeanor and Catwoman with a stoic male gait. I don't see what's crazy here. Just a mildly amusing gender swap. There are guys in the world that act like Catwoman and girls that act like Batman and vice versa. It's all good.
Of course Catwoman ain't real, but the effect of her portrayal and other women in media is. That's why you can't argue that due to some fictional traits they have to be "animated" a certain way or are justified in sexualization. Fiction has infinite potential to do better, but for that to happen, artists first need to understand the problem and then proceed to make steps torwards improvement.
But that is where the issue lies. In fact seeing people defend it with saying "Catwoman is like that" or "That's how women move" shows how inherently normalized sexualization in media still is to this present day.
But that is where the issue lies. In fact seeing people defend it with saying "Catwoman is like that" or "That's how women move" shows how inherently normalized sexualization in media still is to this present day.
It's literally what the complaints in this thread are about, I don't know how that's a mischaracterisation. If you want this model swap to not look weird you'd have to do more than just tone Catwoman down
Well it is a comic book game
because some people (myself included) like the "sexy temptress thief"?
I don't care for the sexy temptress thief Motif but I do love Catwomen and Batman if only because they are kinky for each other. Most other of that subtype go for the goody too shoes and the uptight guys that makes no sense for them to be attracted to.
Catwomen and Batman make perfect sense if only because for all of Batmans Uptight behavior, he down for kinky shit and fucking on public rooftops lol
The notion that one-note characters like that shouldn't be anything more is what's most baffling. It's not only normalised, it's considered sacrosanct by some poor people
The animations look weird on Catwoman too, this just makes it more apparent and highlights issues with the general portrayal of the character. Does that make sense?
Not everyone is OK with the only playable woman in main game being nothing more than a goofy sexpot like you are
Do you object to her having character moments and dialogue that go beyond that?
She's been playable as part of the main game in two entries—all characters deserve better than what Catwoman got story and character-wise
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"I like this garbage that's everywhere, pls don't change it in this one instance"
Which is irrelevant to the fact that the act and animation isn't meant to be funny.
I do too, loads of people here probably do and still think the portrayal is awful. To think it's bad isn't necessarily to have the opinion that characters aren't allowed to be sexy
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No of course not, even though I thought she was great in city I would never object to better dialogue and character moments that's what she's gotten
I don't think that has to correlate with toning down the cat woman walk either though, they can go exist
Is the catwoman in injustice a less accurate portrayal because her pelvis isn't breaking while she walks?
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hasn't/doesn't catwoman act/acted like this across multiple media formats since the creation of the character?
also, is it inherently wrong to emphasize the sex appeal of some female characters?
as long as there's a broad spectrum of representation, I think it's aiiight, but eh
Jessica Rabbit-esque animation is not the only type of sex appeal though.
And the spectrum for women characters within Arkham Knight is not too broad. You get regressive tropes for each of the most prominent women in the main game
A lot of that is because he is animated with a cape and his specific silhouette in mind.It
It is inherently wrong to in a sea of really lame storylines written specifically to appeal to straight (and white) men have a character in a 2015 game captured for literally the entire game in an unironic damsel in distress scenario only for her to offer sex upon rescue. Catwoman and the women in general were always the weaker part of the excellent writing in the Arkham Trilogy.
Isn't the broken pelvis just because the models don't line up? Same might happen in injustice. Also isn't she in injustice more of a soldier than just a catburglar? so I'd say that it is a change in characterisation
It looks weird on Catwoman too fam. That's what people have been saying.
It wouldn't be as much as an issue with a more reasonable walk cycle.
One that resulted in a more interesting and less embarrassing character sooo 🤷♂️
Yes it is, its blown way outa proportion.
There it is on her model no where near as over the top because well durr.. her model is thinner and smaller.
"Well they're bad guys what do you expect them to call a female?!"
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Batman with those moves. Quite thicc.
That's the batman I grew up with
Killer Croc and Bane were better when they were something more than one-note cardboard cutouts too.
Bane was an awful PS1 Spider-Man Rhino rip-off in Asylum, was marginally better in the City side-mission, and felt like a full-fledged character in Origins. Croc was better in the Knight DLC because he had motivations and interests beyond the player character, something Catwoman could've used too
Not saying it is the only type of sex appeal, but as someone with admittedly limited contact with the character, her mannerisms there seem pretty consistent with what I know of the character. That's not to say that characterizations can't or shouldn't change, but maybe some characters are just meant to be/have Jessica Rabbit-esque sex appeal, and that's ok
And I meant across gaming, not strictly to the Arkham series. I know that major work needs doing though
also, I'm a man, so chances are my biases obfuscate how damaging it is
i don't care about women portrayed as stupidly sexy
i care about the fact that basically all video game depictions of women are stupidly sexy first and foremost with afterthought personalities
i'm an average girl with low self esteem. i just want to see more women who aren't beautiful. i can be a person worthy of respect and admiration without being hot. i don't have to be sexy to be a main character.
i care about the fact that basically all video game depictions of women are stupidly sexy first and foremost with afterthought personalities
i'm an average girl with low self esteem. i just want to see more women who aren't beautiful. i can be a person worthy of respect and admiration without being hot. i don't have to be sexy to be a main character.
I mean yes your right but Catwoman has always kind of played the role of seductress especially when it comes to Bruce. Her overt sexuality has always been an element of her character.
Selina is so much more than "woman who acts sexy at all times" but you wouldn't really get that playing the Arkham games. It's off putting because in those games she has to be sexy for the straight male player at all times. In her own comics she actually gets to be a person and while she's sexy she's not hyper-sexualized in the same way. Of course that depends on the writer/artist, but DC usually sees some backlash when they hypersexualize her.
What's the male equivalent? Either character or trope?
You said it! ✋
Matt Reeves has failed if this dynamic doesn't show up in "The Batman"
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Stoic Catwoman™ is growing on me.
She is a no-nonsense kind of gal lol
I think both of the said Catwomans are presented well in their respective mediums. *shrug
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