Something that awful having that much support feels like the support wins even if it's in a minority.
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Something that awful having that much support feels like the support wins even if it's in a minority.
They'd be pulling up every day ordering a McBortion with a large fries and coke.
This is precisely my point. This whole sidebar started because Imran is probably not on Era every waking moment of his life, same as you avoid Twitter whenever possible. Imran has been going off on the Supreme Court on Twitter and talking about how shitty the justices that overturned Roe are. For those of us who happened to see the whole picture, I think it's much clearer that he simply did not realize Nepenthe was Black, he just saw a slur and thought "Yo this ain't it chief", which is an entirely reasonable response if you don't know the race of someone posting the slur. Then everyone who frequents here sees an industry figure, in their mind, tone-policing a Black woman without seeing how he's been ripping the SC a new asshole on Twitter. This really just feels like everyone involved did not know key information about each other.
Then it just escalated to an absurd degree from there. Everyone is on the same side here. The Supreme Court is the enemy here, not each other.
It has to be a control thing. I just don't understand how they think they have a right to say what a woman does with her own body.
Is it too late to change the resetera slogan decision
People tell you who they really are in an anonymous poll. About half of American men thinking they should still own women sounds about right.
Look, in the interest of olive branches and whatnot, I understand where you're coming from.
I will insist though that I don't follow Twitter really, I don't know what's happening on Twitter or who's tweeting what. And we're not on Twitter right now.
I'm more surprised that so many men want to pay child support.
In fact after talking to a few other guys at the protests this weekend I would describe the support from some of those in that 51% as rather tenuous and misguided, even among those who are actually showing up at the courthouses.
One guy, in the midst of assuring me they aren't actually doing Obergefell next, argued "at least the anti-Roe sentiment isn't TOTALLY religious nonsense"
The Pew data suggests more along the lines of 58-41 for men, so who knows. Probably somewhere in the 55-45 range if we split the difference.
It's fucking gross either way. Then again, a third of women too. Religion is a disease. And as a man, I continue to be disappointed by fellow men.
It's fucking gross either way. Then again, a third of women too. Religion is a disease. And as a man, I continue to be disappointed by fellow men.
I think he means 58% in support of legal abortion
The sad thing here is it's not just religion.
Proximity to patriarchy is quite the fucking drug, as well.
oh, ok
dunno if I should say "phew" because that's still way too goddamn many against
Ha, sorry, yes. I should've been clearer. The Pew research shows 58-41 in support of abortion choice from the male gender, but I don't blame you for thinking otherwise these days.
It remains endlessly infuriating.
it's fucked up that the Republican political strategists know they can rely on the laziness of men to let this sit until people organize to get momentum to go after it again.
abortion as "only a women's issue" and men not having skin in the game are both lies, but that's been the framing since day one to keep percentages like that. And that third of women is also a tell.
in reality it's a class issue, an economic issue, a social control and forced morality issue, and old fashioned church and state, and all those demons are long overdue for an exorcism. The GOP started this fight, and there may be a sleeping giant that makes them wish that they hadn't. Activating and uniting the non-conservative electorate to make sure things like this never happen again isn't an impossibility. That hardcore 35% of right wingers needs to be isolated and their effect neutralized.
abortion as "only a women's issue" and men not having skin in the game are both lies, but that's been the framing since day one to keep percentages like that. And that third of women is also a tell.
in reality it's a class issue, an economic issue, a social control and forced morality issue, and old fashioned church and state, and all those demons are long overdue for an exorcism. The GOP started this fight, and there may be a sleeping giant that makes them wish that they hadn't. Activating and uniting the non-conservative electorate to make sure things like this never happen again isn't an impossibility. That hardcore 35% of right wingers needs to be isolated and their effect neutralized.
Oh okay, that's not as bad, though not great by any means sadly.
Oh completely bang on.
It's really the one-two-three of patriarchy, religion and a completely ineffective political system to bring about any meaningful legislative change. And patriarchy very likely accounts for many women who are postured into a position by family, husbands, whatever to support the status quo for them -- in other words, lack of choice. Religion dollops on more.
And then you add the political system where SCOTUS isn't the capstone that it actually should be -- having way too much power -- and a senate that can confirm that power? Brutal.
Can we NOT tell black people they are being aggressive because they are passionate about something or say something you don't like? We don't need that shit. I'm sick and tired of shit like this. It was simple, someone took offense to something they DID NOT UNDERSTAND. simple as that.
You know what else I post for Clarence Thomas?
So fuck him.
You know what else I post for Clarence Thomas?
So fuck him.
Well there are a few books on him, with some fucked up shit about his insane beliefs and why he believes them.
If any of those men could get pregnant, they'd want abortion as a subscription add-on that comes with their Xbox Live.
Ironically, it's not really religion. I saw this article the other day, https://www.npr.org/2022/06/26/1107...-roe-as-a-violation-of-their-religious-belief
It's just patriarchy tbh
100%.
There are some true religious believers for sure. My younger sister is DEEP in that shit, a big reason why we don't talk anymore. That and her "body and blood of Christ will protect us against the virus" insanity.
But a lot of this is old school "men work, women stay at home" misogyny along with new school incel adjacent MRA red pill snowflake losers getting butthurt they can't control women like their grandpappy used to.
It never was signed into law. It didn't get enough votes in the senate and will not pass unless at least 2 more senators willing to abolish the filibuster are elected. The Dobbs ruling doesn't overrule congress's right to pass a law on it but the conservative SCOTUS might decide otherwise in the future if WHPA is passed and challenged.
When you narrow it down to "some Jewish" groups, sure. But overall, religion plays an enormous role.
This. His replies and retraction were crap too. The correct response was simple (a genuinely-worded apology) but he just kept acting pissy about the situation.
staff post - stay on topic
I just don't know what the solution is.
It's not like Republicans/Conservatives are content to ban abortion in their states and leave people to travel in order to get the care they need. They're already working to shut that down. And let's be real, that's not a just alternative. "Oh, you can have your rights here, but not here...."
It's not an issue of education. Just inform people and they'll "get it". Compromise is a non-starter. I don't know how one could compromise with this shit.
It's not like Republicans/Conservatives are content to ban abortion in their states and leave people to travel in order to get the care they need. They're already working to shut that down. And let's be real, that's not a just alternative. "Oh, you can have your rights here, but not here...."
It's not an issue of education. Just inform people and they'll "get it". Compromise is a non-starter. I don't know how one could compromise with this shit.
You have to beat the back at their own games they are bullies, have to be met with the same forces they are putting towards everyone here. This ruling says clearly they don't care about anything but power and suffering for anyone non white or doesn't get in line with their ideology.
We need the powers that be to start treating Republicans like the actual fascists they are instead of buddies that can be reasoned with, for one thing. A lot of the mess we're in is because we don't take these people seriously as a threat to well-being.
It makes me think the end goal is succession. But then I remember that they aren't content to just pull this shit in the states they control.
This Court complicates things immensely but travel should be okay. Think of out of state college students for example. On the other hand codifying Roe at the federal level might run afoul of the Court.
I've been thinking about this a lot. I dunno how the country survives a federal abortion ban. It is hard to imagine the west coast states saying "oh okay" and rolling over on that one. Or Obergefell. The gop loves to bait their base with promises of owning the libs but what happens when they catch that car? Are they going to try to send troops into California to enforce this shit, like really? Feels like a game over moment to me.
It may be their ultimate goal. But i think then the blue oceans in those red seas would revolt.
You're right, I don't even know what enforcement of a federal ban would look like. If SCOTUS tried that and states like California, NY, Illinois, etc. said no we are not shutting those clincs down and arresting people, then what? The FBI comes in? They wouldn't even have the manpower.
They start arresting doctors at their homes one at a time and dare other doctors to continue performing services. Dare state law enforcement to stop feds from arresting people. You can't expect individuals to volunteer to go to prison. It would require mass action to stop it.
Didn't Kavanagh throw cold water on anti-abortion states trying to criminalize travel to states that allow abortion to get an abortion? If he's not cool with that, then I find it hard to believe he'd be ok with a nationwide federal ban. I doubt Roberts would as well. Or maybe I'm naive and giving the conservatives on the court too much credit in thinking they will engage in some self restraint.