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Man, Greene must really enjoy chugging that MAGA kool-aid. The irony of Jan 6 is so lost on people like her.
Cool, another lie.
Why are you misrepresenting what's happening here and what people are actually saying? National Dems do not have the numbers do something right now. It's almost as if we're encouraging people to vote in order to get those numbers. If people had taken the apathy bait in GA, we wouldn't have gotten a progressive Black woman on the SC. The willful shortsightedness being pushed here is weird and frustrating to see at any time but especially today.
Yeah I got you and Toxi mixed up -- my bad. Be well. I apologize.
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Spoken like someone who
You know what I mean. Both chambers of Congress and the executive. Yeah sure Dems haven't had the judicial due to shitty timing of having the presidency and senate at minimum and when these people croak or retire.
So are you going to address the fact that you posted nonsense and were called out over a dozen times for it?
Or are we just pretending that didn't happen?
so you want democrats to lose harder? they're a big tent because if they don't act that way they lose automatically. also if you want them to step away from that direction you need to understand this would realistically mean coalescing around the way more popular at this time moderate branch and not the progressive party you most likely want.
1. He had total control of both chambers for 4 months (9/24/09 - 2/4/10).
2. One of those 60 votes was Lieberman.
3. He did not have 60 votes to codify Roe v Wade even amongst Democrats
4. LBJ (bully pulpit messaging from earlier in this thread) couldn't even wrangle his own super majority to pass the Civil Rights Act (~24 D Senators voted against it), Obama wouldn't have been able to lose a single Senator.
It's not philosophy though, it's reality.
Or do you think those representatives didn't ACTUALLY have differing opinions that determined how they would vote?
I absolutely despise MTG taking Every. Single. Talking. Point. used on her and trying to use it exactly back on us.
AOC basically called her out in the most elegant way possible.
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Sure, but, again, then why am I voting for these people? If people come together to give a party total control over the electable seats of government, enough that they have literally nothing to oppose them besides themselves, and they still can't do something, then what's it all for? Why am I suppose to re-elect these people next time?
What do you want me to address? Over a dozen people have given their take and there literally was a mod post telling me to knock it off and get off the topic of elections. Read those.
if you get called out for contributing to fascist republican propaganda efforts, simply edit your post and act like it's everyone else that's ignorant about how government works
I'm fully on board with part 2, I always vote and often volunteer, I just wish the vote! vote! vote! people could figure out a way to be more persuasive and less "you fucking' idiot! vote!!!!" cuz they're making me feel like voting is for chumps, even though rationally I strongly disagree with that.
That's what AOC does best.
She dismantles them and dunks on them in a completely savage way, but words it so nicely that no jackasses can ever complain about "decorum".
As a voter, I want the party I vote for to best represent my beliefs, so yes, naturally I want the Dems to be center-left rather than a more conservative variant. Diversification in ideology strategically made sense several elections ago, but it is clear that one of the major political parties has become more unified behind a fascistic ideology. As someone who opposes fascism, I want there to be an equally strong party that directly works against the opposition, rather than try to navigate the now-impossible task of bipartisanship.
Because doing nothing just gives Republicans more power. The only option we have is curbing their power at every opportunity we possibly have.
The theoretical amount of turnout we'd need to have significant change would have to be record breaking to the point it's purely fantasy. Even if it did happen there'd be systems in place to undermine it. Not that we shouldn't try, but I don't think voting will solve anything on the federal level.
I mean you are voting for only a few of "these people" and you are hopefully able to influence who is up for election at that time.
The other scenario is to sit on your laurels and just complain on the internet.
I see so that's probably not the best example then. Thank you for informing me.
You use the primaries to ensure that the D's that get into office will vote for legislation that we want. We do this repeatedly until the D caucus is more reflective of our ideology. We do not threaten to withhold our vote or throw a temper tantrum if the primary does not select our chosen candidate, because it's much better for Democrats to hold the majority than for Republicans to gain it. Rinse and repeat until we get our legislative agenda passed.
The GOP have literally done this repeatedly and it's working out for them despite taking decades!
Even if a national ban happens, there will be a big difference I think between states that will see it as their holy goal to put as many woman behind bars as possible, with maximum effort put into the hunt. And states that think this law is total bullshit and will put it as low as possible on the priority list and ignore it as much as possible.
That seems very optimistic in light of the many attempts by Republicans to control what happens in blue states, they simply won't accept not having total fascist control of everywhere the flag flies. More likely in my view is a pseudo-secessionist movement following the 2024 election where two competing governments, one led by the legitimately elected Democratic president and the other by the falsely elected Republican president, which eventually leads to the country being effectively split in two, with both sides claiming to be the true government of all of it. Shit's going to get real bad real fast.
I mean, the only real power most people have to affect change is their vote, voting is power.
If you want to do more, consider running in a local election, be the change you want to see, those smaller local elections that are often uncontested can often affect big change.
Context: Dicks Sporting Goods announced it's financial support for any of its female workers who need abortions and need to travel to receive proper treatment.
That's what we are dealing with. Brain worms.
That's what we are dealing with. Brain worms.
Vote for harm reduction and to minimize catastrophe while we work towards structural changes outside of the electoral process.
Voting takes a few hours per year and is not mutually exclusive with any other action.
I don't agree. I believe there is real power outside of voting.
I do think voting is important though. The problem is that folks keep admonishing those who sat out or voted third party, rightfully or wrongfully, and that doesn't get folks to vote. Folks have to empathize with non-voters/3rd party voters and try to get them to vote if that's what they want. Yelling at them for being an "idiot" doesn't work. Now, I understand if folks don't want to or don't have the time or what have you, but that's the way to get them to vote.
They could have killed the filibuster and done it with 50.
cool, so you want to lose. in the first place, as much as guys like Manchin suck, replacing them with a progressive right now is actually straight impossible. and if you want to completely separate from moderates, you'd need to accept a lot of current progressives losing their seats because moderate democrats won't vote for them. the reality is big tent isn't a choice, it's a necessity and the alternative is giving republicans pretty much complete control over literally every branch of government. and i don't just mean majorities, i mean absolute super majorities where they have like 80% of all seats if not more. consider that right now with both progressives and moderates voting for president, Biden beat Trump with just 51% of the vote to Trump's 46%. we split that into a progressive and moderate candidate and what you'd likey find is Trump wins, moderate candidate gets around 30% of the vote and you're candidate gets like 20% of the vote. Trump also likely sweeps almost every state in the electoral college
Best advice in the thread. If you go out protesting, wear a mask. Cover any identifying features like tattoos or birthmarks.
This is a travesty, and it highlights how important the vote was in 2016.
It will take decades to fix this mess, if it even can be fixed.
It will take decades to fix this mess, if it even can be fixed.
Dreaded the conversation my wife and I were going to have when she got home today, because I knew she'd be devastated, and she was. I didn't even really know what to say that could comfort her. I couldn't lie and tell her it would all be ok, because it won't be. I dunno man…..
NY is so damn pricey to live in but I am not sure I ever want to move out of state. The way I see it is that living in a blue state is better than living in a red state with shit laws out to get you.
A horrifying thought just crossed my mind. A friend of mine said that they were going to go get a hysterectomy after hearing this news despite living in a blue state. My sister had to get one almost 5 years ago for medical reasons. My fear is that when they come after contraceptives, they're going to come after women who look to have medical procedures to prevent pregnancies, and who knows what they'll try to do those who already have them.
It might just be my mental state feeding into all of this, but even as a man I feel sick to my stomach knowing how many women across the nation are struggling today.
It might just be my mental state feeding into all of this, but even as a man I feel sick to my stomach knowing how many women across the nation are struggling today.
Until the day Republicans get a majority in the legislature and pass a national ban.
Do you think we can reverse time? This is just hindsight 20/20 bullshit, what are you talking about? They're not getting rid of the filibuster NOW!
Also review any local laws that involve what you are doing. Know your rights so that local law enforcement cannot take advantage of your ignorance.