The "fuck the Dems" mentality ITT could not more perfectly encapsulate why the right was able to succeed at this.
Conservative evangelicals and Republicans have been on the anti-abortion crusade for *50 years*. And across those five decades, did they ever say fuck the GOP? Did they blast both parties as the same? Did they seriously threaten to vote third party or form a new party or not vote at all? Did they say they would flee the country or burn the system down?
No. They spent 50 years mobilizing voters, electing as many anti-abortion Republicans as they could, kicking those who weren't sufficiently anti-abortion out of the party. They played an extremely long game and won it because they never took their eye off the ball: that the key to making policy is winning elections. No politician was too odious to ally with. Donald Trump should've been the most obvious candidate to run away from; instead they pledged their full support to him and had it pay off dividends. Meanwhile, so many progressive and other left-of-center voters basically spend every two years looking for an excuse not to vote.
Voting doesn't not work; it works extremely well! What doesn't work is this constant attitude of trying to take yourself out of the equation. And it's frustrating that so many on the left still can't learn this lesson when the right is teaching it to us all the time.
If they come for gay marriage, sex & contraceptive? I expect we will a lot of assassination attempt in the headlines like every week for a long time.
Unfortunately, I doubt we'll see Biden come out super forcefully and angrily like he should in an hour. He'll likely echo what Pelosi was saying about how we have to "vote harder," basically. Which is true, but it would be nice to hear the POTUS as angry as we all are and eviscerate the GOP and this ultra-partisan SC.
He really should try to scare the American people about future ruling on LGBTQ rights and birth control, etc. Make people understand what's coming next. Fear may be the only thing that works.
I'm just saying Hillary's pied piper strategy probably had little to do with Trump winning the nomination. What is your point if not to say that her actions made Trump the nominee?Except that's not my point at all.
How does not inciting the enemy or putting them in power become we could've had a better candidate?
When it's been clear as the sun for anyone to see for years, you better believe I'll point fingers as the people who chose to ignore it.All of this has been clear as the fucking sun for anyone to see for years, but here we are pointing fingers and infighting.
Real talk
Court expansion as the up front campaign policy is risky as fuck with the way the media and public reactions works
Not in a few weeks. To my knowledge there is not a pending case. Need a case in front of them so maybe a year.
She just backed an anti abortion candidate under FBI investigation. You know what Pelosi hates more than Roe v Wade being overturned? Leftists.
The "fuck the Dems" mentality ITT could not more perfectly encapsulate why the right was able to succeed at this.
Conservative evangelicals and Republicans have been on the anti-abortion crusade for *50 years*. And across those five decades, did they ever say fuck the GOP? Did they blast both parties as the same? Did they seriously threaten to vote third party or form a new party or not vote at all? Did they say they would flee the country or burn the system down?
No. They spent 50 years mobilizing voters, electing as many anti-abortion Republicans as they could, kicking those who weren't sufficiently anti-abortion out of the party. They played an extremely long game and won it because they never took their eye off the ball: that the key to making policy is winning elections. No politician was too odious to ally with. Donald Trump should've been the most obvious candidate to run away from; instead they pledged their full support to him and had it pay off dividends. Meanwhile, so many progressive and other left-of-center voters basically spend every two years looking for an excuse not to vote.
Voting doesn't not work; it works extremely well! What doesn't work is this constant attitude of trying to take yourself out of the equation. And it's frustrating that so many on the left still can't learn this lesson when the right is teaching it to us all the time.
Ironically enough you can do the same thing here. It is grounds for asylum (at least right now).
One party is ineffectual and flaccid, with the occasional good moment.Women and Minority groups are 24/7 under attack. It's the Dems fault for not being pro-active in protecting these groups. They are a flaccid reactionary party.
It got his killer convicted. It got Ahmad Arbery's murderers convicted. That wouldn't have happened without them.
That's what the problem with folks like you, and worse folks. Sustained campaigns, be it voting or protests, do not pay massive dividends immediately and do not guarantee those payouts forever. The Civil Rights movement didn't happen over a single simmer. It took Republicans 50 years of effort to get Roe overturned.
Y'all are either lazy, cowards, or both.
The "fuck the Dems" mentality ITT could not more perfectly encapsulate why the right was able to succeed at this.
Conservative evangelicals and Republicans have been on the anti-abortion crusade for *50 years*. And across those five decades, did they ever say fuck the GOP? Did they blast both parties as the same? Did they seriously threaten to vote third party or form a new party or not vote at all? Did they say they would flee the country or burn the system down?
No. They spent 50 years mobilizing voters, electing as many anti-abortion Republicans as they could, kicking those who weren't sufficiently anti-abortion out of the party. They played an extremely long game and won it because they never took their eye off the ball: that the key to making policy is winning elections. No politician was too odious to ally with. Donald Trump should've been the most obvious candidate to run away from; instead they pledged their full support to him and had it pay off dividends. Meanwhile, so many progressive and other left-of-center voters basically spend every two years looking for an excuse not to vote.
Voting doesn't not work; it works extremely well! What doesn't work is this constant attitude of trying to take yourself out of the equation. And it's frustrating that so many on the left still can't learn this lesson when the right is teaching it to us all the time.
The biggest lie some of the left have allowed themselves to be duped into believing is that voting is a power that only they have. And that the right only represents stasis. No; Republicans are very much the reversal of progress.
This is a bullshit purity argument.She just backed an anti abortion candidate under FBI investigation. You know what Pelosi hates more than Roe v Wade being overturned? Leftists.
Yes, that's absolutely the game plan. It's why this option to overturn Roe was "leaked" in the first place. It was to garner support and signal that the Court is willing and ready to make these decisions.Indeed. What he is actually doing is broadcasting a signal to conservatives to start challenging these cases in the lower courts because the highest court is basically just waiting for the opportunity to overturn them.
This was a case reviewing a Mississippi law outlawing abortionI should almost certainly know this, but I thought SCOTUS had to have a new case come up to overturn previous precedent. Can they seriously just overturn decided cases at their whim?
The far left also helped fascists take over Weimar Germany. History is rhyming here and we're in for dark years unless something changesRepublicans do something evil --> "Here's why the Democrats are actually at fault."
Like clockwork, ugh.
I should almost certainly know this, but I thought SCOTUS had to have a new case come up to overturn previous precedent. Can they seriously just overturn decided cases at their whim?
I don't think the majority of those in this forum really get how incredibly horrifying this is.
My daughter and I now have less rights than a corpse. We are officially second class citizens, with no right to make decisions over our own bodies. And worse is glimmering on the horizon.
I just...I'm so fucking devastated. And most of the people want to argue about fault and score points.
Yeah. That is a really good point, but I feel like this always leads to the idea of the left getting more moderate than progressive. Shit is tiring ;("No Democratic president cares about pushing their agenda" is so objectively untrue that I don't know how to refute it without just copying and pasting Wikipedia pages of congressional votes!
Democratic legislative agendas are extremely complicated and ambitious — ideologically and procedurally. Mix a broad, diverse agenda of competing interests with a broad, diverse party of competing interests, with only two years to get it all done, and it should be no surprise why a lot of Democratic wishlist items don't end up passing. It's not for lack of caring or interest. Just the opposite — too many different interests pushing in different directions.
Exactly. This is much more succinct than how I put it lol
Last I checked, I wasn't quoting you.It did which is a very good thing.
I'm not optimistic about protests doing anything substantial in general. I guarantee you I put more work into my community than the vast majority of folks here. I'm not lazy or a coward, just not optimistic.
Demographic change and blowback from younger and progressive people. Conservatives have been steadfast in their agenda for decades. There is no class consciousness in this country and we are the least engaged electorate because our material conditions have only become more and more oppressive through liberal economic policies.Where is this violent backlash against progress coming from? Like, why now? Roe v. Wade stood for nearly 50 years! Is there a theory for why this rabid anti-progressive base has grown so powerful in the past decade?
I am aware. The problem is fixing SCOTUS can not happen otherwise.
Voting doesn't not work; it works extremely well! What doesn't work is this constant attitude of trying to take yourself out of the equation. And it's frustrating that so many on the left still can't learn this lesson when the right is teaching it to us all the time.
I'm just saying Hillary's pied piper strategy probably had little to do with Trump winning the nomination. What is your point if not to say that her actions made Trump the nominee?
He wouldn't be "a sitting Supreme Court judge". Garland's term would have expired on January 3, leaving a new vacancy for Trump to fill when he took office.Well, the point is to play hardball fuck Mitch and fuck the decorum. Even if the term expired and Mitch wins the senate, well, good luck to him to try and unseat a sitting Supreme Court Judge. That's the play.
are you sure about that. You can't think of any time the numbers were there to codify roe?
In fact, this kind of thing is a decent sign that progress has been made. It's an eternal fight and we're seeing a conservative backlash because progress was made. The one positive note is that despite conservative efforts, every change is permanent in some way and you can never really go back. So despite their victories today, the progress we made with Roe and in the 50 years since irrevocably changed the country and their attempts to backtrack will never fully succeed.It got his killer convicted. It got Ahmad Arbery's murderers convicted. That wouldn't have happened without them.
That's what the problem with folks like you, and worse folks. Sustained campaigns, be it voting or protests, do not pay massive dividends immediately and do not guarantee those payouts forever. Small victories that pile on and grow over time are the best sign of success, not an indicator of failure. The Civil Rights movement didn't happen over a single summer. It took Republicans 50 years of effort to get Roe overturned.
Y'all are either lazy, cowards, or both.
I feel like young people have been saying this for decades
It's like an inherent disadvantage in the system that young people don't vote as often as the elderly because no one has been able to crack the code in getting young people to vote reliably relative to other demographics.
They literally can just say whatever they want and have it be considered true. Like that's their entire deal whenever they invoke the founding fathers and what they intended, etc. It is specifically something designed to sound credible (despite that they are completely unqualified when it comes to actually knowing that sort of history), so they can back up whatever point they want to make.
The specifics matter only in that some of the individual conservative justices have some quirks where they do actually care about one point or another and may split on that. But if they all want to do something, they can pull the reason out of thin air.