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BWoog

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Oct 27, 2017
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No shit. Roe V Wade is gone once she's on the court, but hey, Hillary Clinton isn't President right guys?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Like there's ever been any doubt. That moment during the debate when Trump tried to pretend that she hadn't stated her opinion and wouldn't overturn it was a complete farce.
 

Dyle

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Oct 25, 2017
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That's the whole reason she was picked, so not really a surprise. Why even bother trying to hide a 14 year old newspaper ad?
 

Lord Fanny

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Apr 25, 2020
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Not surprising, she's been vocal about ending the law for a very long time. Once Trump got elected, honestly, Roe v Wade's days were largely numbered. Even if it doesn't get outright repealed, I imagine it'll be gutted to basically be ineffective like the Voting Rights Act largely was.
 

djplaeskool

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Oct 26, 2017
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*Sigh* Under any other circumstance, this would be disqualifying.
...but how many times have we said that over the past three and a half years...
Not just on Roe v Wade, but signing onto a declaration of a right to life from fertilization until natural death welcomes a slew of questions on her demeanor over related things, both judicial and extrajudicial.
 

Sho_Nuff82

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Nov 14, 2017
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I can't wait for Susan Collins' irate press conference where she announces that she won't be bullied into voting against a nominee that betrays everything she's ever promised her home state she wouldn't allow from the Republican party.
 

Tagg

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Oct 25, 2017
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Trump: "who knows where she even stands on Roe v Wade"
 

BWoog

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Oct 27, 2017
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I can't wait for Susan Collins' irate press conference where she announces that she won't be bullied into voting against a nominee that betrays everything she's ever promised her home state she wouldn't allow from the Republican party.

Nah, Mitch gave her the ok to vote against her to try to save her own ass.
 

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This is a positive for Senate Republicans. No chance she's not confirmed, probably before the end of this month.
 

Deleted member 12224

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Oct 27, 2017
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Court stacking is our only hope.
No, the court isn't the only hope here. Far from it.

The Court isn't going to strike down Roe v. Wade and thus make abortion illegal.

The Court would strike down Roe and remove it as a constitutional right, allowing states to regulate it freely. Meaning Alabama will ban it entirely, for example.

Congress can pass the Roe Act and legalize/expand abortion access nationwide.
 

Sho_Nuff82

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Nov 14, 2017
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Is it? When abortion is illegal they have no single issue bullshit to campaign on anymore.

If no to abortions, yes to gerrymandering, yes to low corporate taxes, no to strict environmental regulations, and no to Medicare 4 All are written in stone by the Supreme Court for the next 40 years will Republicans even care about winning democratic elections anymore?

There will be fringe groups angling for the repeal of the CRA, but they'll have gotten everything they wanted for their lifetimes.

No, the court isn't the only hope here. Far from it.

The Court isn't going to strike down Roe v. Wade and thus make abortion illegal.

The Court would strike down Roe and remove it as a constitutional right, allowing states to regulate it freely. Meaning Alabama will ban it entirely, for example.

Congress can pass the Roe Act and legalize/expand abortion access nationwide.

Anything that Congress can pass, a partisan court can shut down. See: the Voting Rights act, which had zero chance of ever being touched by popular vote. Or the ACA, which is currently enjoying historical levels of support (>65%).
 

Dark Knight

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Oct 25, 2017
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If no to abortions, yes to gerrymandering, yes to low corporate taxes, no to strict environmental regulations, and no to Medicare 4 All are written in stone by the Supreme Court for the next 40 years will Republicans even care about winning democratic elections anymore?
I get what you're saying but I don't know if their keikaku will come to fruition. They've made the crucial mistake of doing nothing of substance to win this election, risking it all when a coherent D supermajority fixes everything fast enough to make Repub heads spin(and ffs they BETTER).
 

Ithil

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Oct 25, 2017
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That's the whole reason she was picked, so not really a surprise. Why even bother trying to hide a 14 year old newspaper ad?
Mainly because until the election the GOP are trying to play dumb and pretend she isn't trying to eliminate Roe v Wade to protect vulnerable senators. Trump did this at the debate, pretending we don't know how she'd rule on Roe v Wade.
There's states with close races like Alaska and Kansas that are red, but generally pro-choice, not to mention the purple states with tossup races.
 

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Anything that Congress can pass, a partisan court can shut down. See: the Voting Rights act, which had zero chance of ever being touched by popular vote. Or the ACA, which is currently enjoying historical levels of support (>65%).
What's the argument for not simply overturning Roe for creating a right that isn't enumerated in the constitution, rejecting the penumbras argument, but reading the constitution to have a different penumbra anti-right that establishes abortion as an unconstitutional act?

If your response is "they can do whatever they like and act outside the boundaries of the law", so be it, there's nothing more to discuss.
 

Ithil

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Oct 25, 2017
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Of course they do: they just flip it to push message vote Republican to keep abortion illegal.

It's an issue that works either way for them and always identified opposition as being on the other side of the issue.
That's weak though and they know it. Voting to change/overturn something bring
 

Sho_Nuff82

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Nov 14, 2017
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I get what you're saying but I don't know if their keikaku will come to fruition. They've made the crucial mistake of doing nothing of substance to win this election, risking it all when a coherent D supermajority fixes everything fast enough to make Repub heads spin(and ffs they BETTER).

See what I posted above.

Republicans have been so obsessed with court stacking because they know that demographic trends don't favor them. They intend to continue to weild outsized influence by court rulings, even if they don't win another popular election in the next 20 years. That is the #1 reason they've been rubber stamping 28 year old lawyers with no courtroom experience to lifetime positions.

Mitch has been planning for this eventuality for a decade. If Dems try to respond by just going through the motions they will have a huge slap in the face. Expanding federal courts and if necessary, the Supreme Court may be essential to preserve any spirit of democracy.

I imagine the first hit will come a week after the election when the SC rules on the remainder of the ACA.
 

Z Y

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Oct 27, 2017
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Trump: "who knows where she even stands on Roe v Wade"

This. Obviously, we all already know this was reason for her selection. But trump's comments during the debate shows that they really don't want to play up this angle. Information like this is good because they can't go "well we'll see who knows?" with her position on RvW.
 

Dark Knight

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Oct 25, 2017
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Republicans have been so obsessed with court stacking because they know that demographic trends don't favor them.
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Expanding federal courts and if necessary, the Supreme Court may be essential to preserve any spirit of democracy.
This is the point I was making about Democrats fixing and quite frankly flipping the entire court power plan by R's on its head, expanding the supreme court at the first opportunity.

I agree with everything you said.
 

Aurongel

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Oct 28, 2017
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Wouldn't it be better to continue chipping away at abortion rights as they've been doing with great success? Eliminating Roe would also deprive them of what is perhaps the largest motivating factor for lower education single issue voters. It also sparks what would inevitably be a large liberal backlash that would shred lower level elections against them.
 

PoppaBK

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Oct 27, 2017
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If no to abortions, yes to gerrymandering, yes to low corporate taxes, no to strict environmental regulations, and no to Medicare 4 All are written in stone by the Supreme Court for the next 40 years will Republicans even care about winning democratic elections anymore?

There will be fringe groups angling for the repeal of the CRA, but they'll have gotten everything they wanted for their lifetimes.
I think you may be conflating what politicians say they want and what they really want - power.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Wouldn't it be better to continue chipping away at abortion rights as they've been doing with great success? Eliminating Roe would also deprive them of what is perhaps the largest motivating factor for lower education single issue voters. It also sparks what would inevitably be a large liberal backlash that would shred lower level elections against them.
There's always the scare that it'll come back. They basically got their 2nd Amendment victory with DC v Heller but that doesn't stop them from running on guns.
 

Mr. Keith

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Oct 31, 2017
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We have to accept Roe v Wade getting struck down. There's really nothing that can be done with the Republicans cheating and stealing very seat they can for the Supreme Court.

My hope is seeing all these important laws and protections getting stuck down by obvious plants by Republicans puts a fire under Americans and makes them turn on the Supreme Court Justices going against the will of the people.

If Biden and Democrats can win I hope they can use restoring the Supreme Court as a big midterm push for voters. It's going to to take multiple years to fix this mess.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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R's don't think the Dems have the guts to expand the courts. I hope they are wrong.

Expand the courts, unlock the House pop cap, add PR and DC as states, keep fighting gerrymandering courts or pass some anti gerrymandering laws, in the would go a long way to fixing the democratic deficit.
 

Nepenthe

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Oct 25, 2017
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To the white women who voted Trump: Hope it was worth it.
 

JaseC64

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Oct 25, 2017
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Why is it that this horrible decision is sort of passed by without any fear of backlash but the though of Biden stacking courts is made seen as some world ending shit?

Like RvW so important but Republicans are salivating at the though of it being thrown out and open speak about it. Dems though have to not mention ending the filibuster or stacking courts else they will come of as "alt left" socialist.

Double standard bullshit as always.

Also why is the word socialist thrown like candy but Dems don't throw "fascist/racist" at Reps like candy as well?

I dont get why one party always had to "behave" and act coridal why the others can be like a bunch of screaming ranting children with no objection.
 

Sendero

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Oct 25, 2017
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Since this is now in the open, you would expect everyone on the Democratic side -including the House and Biden-, to also be unequivocally open on that they are actually going to deal (not just think about it) with the whole Supreme Court situation up-front.
Or is everyone supposed to sit down now, and just hope that if the Democrats win the majority in the Senate, they will actually exerts its power without caring what the GOP and Republican media thinks?

Because we all now how Biden and his contemporaries feel about that.