Supreme Court Appears Poised to Roll Back Abortion Rights in US

[mugurumakensei]

It lays the majority of the blame where it belongs. Constantly shitting on the Democrats for the things that the Republicans are doing doesn't serve any purpose at all.

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Also deflects blame from voters and the public itself when it's ultimately on every individual to be informed like that Twitter thread being posted around rose Twitter kind of shows a lot of uninformed leftists take everything uncritically when condemning Dems. They could research and discover it's false and misleading but they won't.

 

[Servbot24]

It lays the majority of the blame where it belongs. Constantly shitting on the Democrats for the things that the Republicans are doing doesn't serve any purpose at all.

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Formless "shitting on" is useless yes, but honest evaluation, critique, and changing of the game plan in order to accomplish goals is not useless. And there is a LOT about Democrats that warrants critique.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Also deflects blame from voters and the public itself when it's ultimately on every individual to be informed.

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And the press

I can't state enough how much the modern press system enables Republicans

 

[FliX]

I'm not American but shouldn't the ire be reserved for the Republicans who have setting this up for decades? As well as obstructing, law breaking, inciting insurrection etc?

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The thing is
The GOP is acting exactly
a) as one would expect them to
b) as is in line with their stated objectives

We broadly expect more of the democrats though to be perfectly honest I think the Democratic establishment is probably also acting
a) as one could expect them to
b) as is in line with their [internal] objectives
It's just they like to claim their stated objectives are grand and progressive when in truth they don't give a fuck.
Why would centrist corporate democrats which run the party care about all the progressive policies that were promissed. Instead we are getting SALT deductions back. Yay.

So vote blue no matter who, unless when the candidate is Bryon Brown, then run a write in campaign to elect an establishment Dem with the help of Republicans.

But if it makes you happy I am sure we can caveat all our future posts with
Also fuck the Republicans.

 

[BWoog]

 

[plagiarize]

Last I checked primaries still exist. And that's where you fight to shape the party.

I want the most liberal democrat *that can win* to win every primary. But when it's D vs R vs 'independent thinker' I'm almost always going to vote D.

 

[excelsiorlef]

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That's wishful thinking, more likely

NYT: If You Suspect Your Neighbor is Pregnant And About to Flee the State, Call the Cops

 

[LegendofJoe]

Republicans don't care one bit if voters are angry with them. They actually enjoy it. Democrats on the other hand do care, at least somewhat. So it makes perfect sense to me that people express their frustration towards Democrats rather than Republicans. One is deaf to anything you have to say, while the other will at least humor you by listening.

 

[CeVee]

although i live in a democratic state, i am terrified for my future as a poc woman in this country

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Absolutely this.

Politics as a whole has been crazy to watch over the past few years, with thing after thing happening or getting stripped away, no one is truly held accountable, and there is nothing anyone is doing to stop it, because it seriously feels like a large portion of people in this country simply don't give a shit because it doesn't affect them (or at least, not enough or negatively).

Being a minority of any type has felt shitty but here lately, the outlook for the future feels terrifying.

 

[Coyote Starrk]

Also deflects blame from voters and the public itself when it's ultimately on every individual to be informed like that Twitter thread being posted around rose Twitter kind of shows a lot of uninformed leftists take everything uncritically when condemning Dems. They could research and discover it's false and misleading but they won't.

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Saying "Fuck the Republicans" is the same as saying "Fck their Supporters" in my opinion. You wouldn't have either without the other.


I guess you could also throw "fuck third party" as well though.

 

[plagiarize]

We broadly expect more of the democrats though to be perfectly honest I think the Democratic establishment is probably also acting
a) as one could expect them to
b) as is in line with their [internal] objectives
It's just they like to claim their stated objectives are grand and progressive when in truth they don't give a fuck.
Why would centrist corporate democrats which run the party care about all the progressive policies that were promissed. Instead we are getting SALT deductions back. Yay.

So vote blue no matter who, unless when the candidate is Bryon Brown, then run a write in campaign to elect an establishment Dem with the help of Republicans.

But if it makes you happy I am sure we can caveat all our future posts with
Also fuck the Republicans.

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'They' have voted in large majorities for their stated objectives when those things have come up to a vote. They have voted in large majorities to enshrine RvW into law. The majority of 'them' want to get rid of the filibuster to enact voter protection laws, and social programs, and better healthcare, and on and on.

I think it's flat out wrong to claim 'they' don't care about things that the party has thrown the majority of its weight behind because a small minority of the people elected Democrats opposed those things, when we are operating with slim to no margin.

How many of the progressive policies that were promised do people ignore the majority of the Democrats in the house voting for after working really hard to write bills that could make it through that large tent? Why act like the party don't actually support the things they worked extremely hard to try to make happen?

You want to improve the party? Then *name* the people in the party that are preventing the change you want to see. Pressure *those people*. Primary *those people*. Support those in the party that want the same things as you (and I guarantee you they are many), rather than mistaking their failure to overcome everything in their way for apathy. Then vote for the Democrat left standing. If we learn one thing from republican voters it should be this.

Or you know, don't, and just broadly claim the whole party don't really care because a single digit percentage of them didn't vote for somethings in the house or senate.

 

[Dodongo]

2016 was a pivotal point but yes elections always matter, and, until such a time that Republicans don't exist, choosing not to vote for Dems (whether not voting or voting third party) is empowering Republicans unless the seat is completely uncontested.

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Democrats, for the most part, will be the ones running on getting womens constitutional rights to their body privacy back.

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The best thing we can do is strategically vote for pro-choice, pro-healthcare candidates at every possible election. Ninety-nine percent of the time, that candidate will be a Democrat.

Showing up at the ballot box isn't the only way to defend our rights, but it is an incredibly crucial requirement and bare minimum.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I love how Republicans can do absolutely nothing and get no blame, yet the Democratic Party (which is really just a few who opposed measures) take all the blame. Like Republicans are accepted as just being obstructionists to the point them being half of the Senate and doing nothing is practically ignored

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This attempt at a "gotcha" is literally useless on a place like ERA and in general isn't helpful. Nobody is ignoring the Republicans outside of the fact that they are literally unreachable. Democrats and Pro-Choice supporters are not the base of the Republican party, so they have no real pull over those Representatives, the only Republicans in more Blue leaning states are in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina when it comes to the Senate, and none of those are exactly bastions of strong pro-choice communities, and while there's more to hold people accountable in the House, gerrymandering has ensured that either cities are already maxed out or so cracked that challenging their reps is nearly impossible. They're a bunch of self interested, rich, and completely divorced from pro-life representatives. They aren't going to suddenly feel more pressure and the vast majority of them save for a handful of House Reps are probably even going to be seen more positively from the court overturning Roe v. Wade. We can blame Republicans all we want for obstruction, but what does that achieve? You might get Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski on board with something, but the Senate is designed to prevent progress with the filibuster, of which, you have at least somewhat albeit not much of a chance of convincing Sinema and Manchin to break the filibuster versus the likes of McConnell or Johnson or whoever else.

There is always an implicit blame to them in these conversations, but it just doesn't matter on here where there are no Republicans and it won't really matter when trying to challenge them anyway. There are more Pro-Birth Democrats than there are Pro-Choice Republicans by a considerable margin at this point and it's not like we didn't just see Nancy Pelosi saying she was willing to embrace Pro-Birth Democrats at this crucial time for abortion rights. And Democrats do control the national trifecta at this point, and the reality is that's not enough for them. But if you have the chance to act and you instead choose to do nothing, then those people are complicit in whatever comes next.

Then there is also the whole viewpoint that the party regularly fails to live up to its potential and as such, has also resulted in such a tenuous position with bad campaigns of the likes of Bill Nelson, Hillary Clinton, et. al. adding up to death by a thousand cuts for the US. And sure, we're going to blame Republicans for taking those actions, but we are not going to let Democrats whose own bad decision making is also at least on some level, responsible for the current moment.

 

[plagiarize]

Then there is also the whole viewpoint that the party regularly fails to live up to its potential and as such, has also resulted in such a tenuous position with bad campaigns of the likes of Bill Nelson, Hillary Clinton, et. al. adding up to death by a thousand cuts for the US. And sure, we're going to blame Republicans for taking those actions, but we are not going to let Democrats whose own bad decision making is also at least on some level, responsible for the current moment.

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It's not useful to only say 'Democrats' when you're talking about specific people.

If I claimed that Republicans didn't want to kill Obamacare, because they couldn't get 50 votes in the Senate to do so when they had the House, the Senate, and the Whitehouse, I imagine that people would see how utterly wrong such a claim is.

 

[FliX]

You want to improve the party? Then *name* the people in the party that are preventing the change you want to see. Pressure *those people*. Primary *those people*. Support those in the party that want the same things as you (and I guarantee you they are many), rather than mistaking their failure to overcome everything in their way for apathy. Then vote for the Democrat left standing. If we learn one thing from republican voters it should be this.

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We tried that with India Walton... And then what? The establishment closed ranks and cosied up with republicans instead... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[plagiarize]

We tried that with India Walton... And then what? The establishment closed ranks and cosied up with republicans instead... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Well then I guess I'd say we should learn two things from Republicans, and not give up on something cause we tried it once and it didn't work :P

 

[Coyote Starrk]

Well then I guess I'd say we should learn two things from Republicans, and not give up on something cause we tried it once and it didn't work :P

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[Thordinson]

You want to improve the party? Then *name* the people in the party that are preventing the change you want to see. Pressure *those people*. Primary *those people*. Support those in the party that want the same things as you (and I guarantee you they are many), rather than mistaking their failure to overcome everything in their way for apathy. Then vote for the Democrat left standing. If we learn one thing from republican voters it should be this.

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But many posters on this site suggest not doing this but instead voting for the Dem that can win in my red state. We would get the blame if a Socialist won a primary for the House here but lost the general election.

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To be fair, this is most posters when it comes to advocating or affecting material change outside of voting.

 

[plagiarize]

But many posters on this site suggest not doing this but instead voting for the Dem that can win in my red state. We would get the blame if a Socialist won a primary for the House here but lost the general election.

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I said it a few posts before, but yeah, my position in who I support in a primary is the most liberal person I think *can win*. So like, maybe I'd support Manchin in a primary from his left, but I sure as shit wouldn't support Sinema in that situation.

 

[Artdayne]

Very strange, but seemingly a typical liberal reaction to blame random leftists on an internet message board, some of whom aren't even American, for the current configuration of the Supreme Court.

It's not an individual problem, it's a systemic one. People don't participate in the American electoral process and there are probably some important reasons why that is, but it's never the people with the most power that can fail us, they can only be failed.

 

[Coyote Starrk]

To be fair, this is most posters when it comes to advocating or affecting material change outside of voting.

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Tbh at this point that is just most of American society.

 

[Deleted member 3896]

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Exactly this. Much easier to bitch and moan on a message board than to actually do anything.

 

[Thordinson]

I said it a few posts before, but yeah, my position in who I support in a primary is the most liberal person I think *can win*. So like, maybe I'd support Manchin in a primary from his left, but I sure as shit wouldn't support Sinema in that situation.

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I'd use my primary vote to vote for someone close to be ideologically not just who can win. I can see why someone would choose to do what you do though.

Tbh at this point that is just most of American society.

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I absolutely agree.

Exactly this. Much easier to bitch and moan on a message board than to actually do anything.

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Is it okay for me to bitch and moan since I do something? Lol

 

[Chikor]

Saying "Fuck the Republicans" is the same as saying "Fck their Supporters" in my opinion. You wouldn't have either without the other.

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Strong disagree.
There is not much you can do about Republican voters, you can try to persuade them, which is hard, but you can at least try to think how they got to be the way they are (and I don't think it's something in the water, it's mostly right wing media and religious organizations in the US) .
But there is a lot you can do about Republican politicians, like I donno, put them in fucking jail when they blatantly break the law. And maybe more than anything, you can play to win, but really to win, fuck this "we need to strong Republican party" mindset.

Also just in general, politically, it makes way more sense to focus on the powerful than the mostly powerless.

 

[Version 3.0]

there was legally not a damn thin Obama could do. The senate makes their rules and well, they had no interest in seating Garland for political reasons.

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I mean realistically there was literally nothing he could do. The Senate makes their own rules and no amount of hollering from a President can change that. A Supreme Court seat is one of the ultimate prizes so Republicans would be willing to weather any potential retaliatory measures.

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Uh, no, there was nothing Obama could have done to seat Garland. All McConnell had to do was what he did, say no and refuse to hold a vote.

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Absolutely not true. There is a process: sue. Take it to the Supreme Court, to rule on the constitutionality of the Senate ignoring a president's nominee. Which, of course, is blatantly unconstitutional. Could they force the Senate to seat Garland? No. Could they rule that they must at least hold a hearing? Yes.

And, any such ruling would potentially prevent the GOP from just blanket refusing all Democrat nominees in the future, which they 100% will do as it stands now. It's not just about seating Garland. It needed - and still needs - to be made clear that the Senate can't wipe its ass with the Constitution in order to screw a president of the other party.

If nothing else, it would at least have made an issue of this. Obama took way too much shit lying down.

 

[Pendas]

Politics as a whole has been crazy to watch over the past few years, with thing after thing happening or getting stripped away, no one is truly held accountable, and there is nothing anyone is doing to stop it, because it seriously feels like a large portion of people in this country simply don't give a shit because it doesn't affect them (or at least, not enough or negatively).

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Trump spent his entire life lying and using the legal system to avoid any kind of accountability... and he brought that front and center into the political stage. Now, every single republican is using those tactics... and they are getting away with it. They can literally do/say just about anything and not lose votes... any legal trouble they can just deny, appeal, and stall until it goes away, gets thrown out, or a legal loophole sends them straight to jail for 3 months. There is ZERO political or legal accountability right now coming from Republicans... and they are abusing all of it to gain as much of a foothold as possible.

 

[Coyote Starrk]

Strong disagree.
There is not much you can do about Republican voters, you can try to persuade them, which is hard, but you can at least try to think how they got to be the way they are (and I don't think it's something in the water, it's mostly right wing media and religious organizations in the US) .
But there is a lot you can do about Republican politicians, like I donno, put them in fucking jail when they blatantly break the law. And maybe more than anything, you can play to win, but really to win, fuck this "we need to strong Republican party" mindset.

Also just in general, politically, it makes way more sense to focus on the powerful than the mostly powerless.

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I 100% support throwing them in jail, but it wouldn't solve the problem. The shitheads that were jailed would just be replaced by other shitheads who run on another platform of racism, bigotry, and dishonesty.


And who elects those people? Republican voters. So I say fuck all of them. Drive them all into the sea. Nothing of value would be lost.

 

[Chikor]

I 100% support throwing them in jail, but it wouldn't solve the problem. The shitheads that were jailed would just be replaced by other shitheads who run on another platform of racism, bigotry, and dishonesty.


And who elects those people? Republican voters. So I say fuck all of them

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What you solution then?
Send people who vote Republican into re-education camps?

Blaming this on the voters means accepting this reality, and I will never ever accept America slide into fascism as forgone conclusion.

 

[chiller]

Is it okay for me to bitch and moan since I do something? Lol

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Not if you want a response in good faith.

 

[Fushichou187]

This decrepit empire continues to crumble. What an embarrassing place to live.

As others have pointed out, the way our government and politics are structured, it'll be nigh impossible to meaningfully change things using the tools granted to us serfs.

Beyond that, if I were in a red state or red county in a blue state, and access to reproductive healthcare is something that you are concerned about, I'd link up with mutual aid organizations aligned with reproductive healthcare providers now and get information about what supply line & skill sharing networks are available in your community to meet your needs.

 

[just_myles]

Special shout out to:

1. The Dems who couldn't figure out how to motivate people to vote for Hillary despite the other candidate being a demonstrable, flaming racist, sociopath, misogynist, and habitual liar.
2. Hillary for running a mediocre campaign that failed to turn out the vote in her favor and under-estimating Trump
3. Comey for his *very important* Benghazi investigation in the final hours of the campaign season
4. The voters for not showing up to destroy Trump, who had already demonstrated what kind of leader he would be should he win office
5. The media for leading people to believe that Trump was a clown with no chance of winning so don't worry about him
6. Facebook because FUCK Facebook and its platform of hate and misinformation tolerance
7. RBG for being too fucking arrogant to retire @ 80 when Obama was there and a successor half her age with her same views could have been put in the position to save at least one seat from R invasion for the next 2-3 decades at least.

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You had me at 1.

Also don't forget twitters role in all this. Played a much bigger part than Facebook.

 

[Deleted member 34725]

It's not useful to only say 'Democrats' when you're talking about specific people.

If I claimed that Republicans didn't want to kill Obamacare, because they couldn't get 50 votes in the Senate to do so when they had the House, the Senate, and the Whitehouse, I imagine that people would see how utterly wrong such a claim is.

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#NotAllDemocrats

But seriously, the Dem establishment is corrupt. Their aim has been to do as little as possible while keeping the donor class happy. Manchin and Sinema are the ones we are talking most about now, but if they were gone I guarantee some new centrist dem would pop up with concerns after meeting with some billionaire donors

It's the same old story for the Dems. They try really hard but just barely can't make it. How does it always happen? :(

I agree that folks should be more involved in primaries and their local elections. It's definitely not something that is encouraged by the media or the Democratic Party in general. The DNC wants to pick the candidates who will fall in line and will actively sabotage leftists who are running.

 

[chiller]

Beyond that, if I were in a red state or red county in a blue state, and access to reproductive healthcare is something that you are concerned about, I'd link up with mutual aid organizations aligned with reproductive healthcare providers now and get information about what supply line & skill sharing networks are available in your community to meet your needs.

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>>> https://abortionfunds.org/funds/ <<<

 

[Coyote Starrk]

What you solution then?
Send people who vote Republican into re-education camps?

Blaming this on the voters means accepting this reality, and I will never ever accept America slide into fascism as forgone conclusion.

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Reality is reality regardless of whether you choose to accept it or not. And the reality is that a significant portion of the country are made up of willfully ignorant bigoted racists whose idea of political unity is "owning the libs" and making life as miserable as possible for oppressed minority groups and immigrants.



There is no reasoning with that kind of mindless hatred. There is no "fixing" that other than making sure that they shouted down at every turn. Making sure that they are named and shamed at every turn. Making sure that they steadily decline into a powerless political entity that can no longer significantly affect the political landscape.

 

[Ethical Hedonism]

I've been noticing an "occidental regression" fueled by conservatism as I read news on latin american countries, some european countries, US and UK and oof, shit is going bad fast for civil rights all around

The political class worldwide is tightening the noose around the people, and blatantly so wherever there is a right-wing government

 

[fanboi]

And the press

I can't state enough how much the modern press system enables Republicans

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This.

Modern media wants to keep the audience stupid and go for the easy clicks like Kardashian new wedding and such instead of paying for real peices that require time and money to produce.

 

[Fushichou187]

>>> https://abortionfunds.org/funds/ <<<

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Absolutely a great org to support. I will note however that the more online a network is, and the more it leverages traditional tools of commerce to gather and distribute resources, the more vulnerable it is to disruption by the state, which is clearly hostile towards its goals.

I've been an advocate for reproductive healthcare all my adult life, have worked for planned parenthood, and have plenty of family and friends that have worked for PP or other aligned orgs all their professional lives and the serious talks happening offline since the SCOTUS went 6-3 has all been about bringing aid networks offline and underground, focusing on bolstering hyperlocal networks of care, and moving to a pre/post-Roe footing where reproductive healthcare is once again a clandestine activity.

 

[LegendofJoe]

Make no mistake about it the removal of reproductive rights ties back into *surprise* white supremacy once again. They don't want more people of color in this country and current birthrates aren't high enough to replenish the workforce. So the solution? Force women already in the US to give birth to more people to one day become workers that can be exploited for profit. They've looked at what Europe has done to increase birthrates and concluded carrots don't work so they're going to use sticks instead.

I believe one of the most influential leaders within the Federalist Society (who also teaches at Harvard) spelled this out exactly. I'll see if I can find the article, it's basically The Handmaid's Tale, except it's a real goal that powerful people are working towards.

 

[chiller]

Absolutely a great org to support. I will note however that the more online a network is, and the more it leverages traditional tools of commerce to gather and distribute resources, the more vulnerable it is to disruption by the state, which is clearly hostile towards its goals.

I've been an advocate for reproductive healthcare all my adult life, have worked for planned parenthood, and have plenty of family and friends that have worked for PP or other aligned orgs all their professional lives and the serious talks happening offline since the SCOTUS went 6-3 has all been about bringing aid networks offline and underground, focusing on bolstering hyperlocal networks of care, and moving to a pre/post-Roe footing where reproductive healthcare is once again a clandestine activity.

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Thank you for noting that, visibility to the state absolutely makes sense as a serious concern.

 

[Sean C.]

Operating within idealized norms is a fool's errand when you're up against the GOP. And this is not analogous to what Trump was doing with the DoJ. An actual crime was committed against the American people and it should be investigated. It wasn't because most powerful people are insulated against the law. That is a violation of constitutional bounds, not enforcing laws that were made to protect people.

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That's not an "idealized norm", it's a basic tenet of how the Justice Department operates.

And if you feel Manchin's daughter should be investigated (fair enough), it would be equally inappropriate for Biden to halt an investigation if Manchin does what Biden wants (which is exactly the sort of thing Trump wanted).

Absolutely not true. There is a process: sue. Take it to the Supreme Court, to rule on the constitutionality of the Senate ignoring a president's nominee. Which, of course, is blatantly unconstitutional. Could they force the Senate to seat Garland? No. Could they rule that they must at least hold a hearing? Yes.

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The Supreme Court would not have issued any such ruling. The Constitution says nothing about the Senate being required to consider a nominee; it's obviously implicit in the understanding that good governance will involve them doing that, but if they choose to blockade, the only remedy is political (i.e., voting the senators out).

And of course, even if McConnell had scheduled a vote, the GOP would have just filibustered the nomination.

There is no avenue where Garland is confirmed by a Republican Senate that didn't want to do that.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

Absolutely not true. There is a process: sue. Take it to the Supreme Court, to rule on the constitutionality of the Senate ignoring a president's nominee. Which, of course, is blatantly unconstitutional. Could they force the Senate to seat Garland? No. Could they rule that they must at least hold a hearing? Yes.

And, any such ruling would potentially prevent the GOP from just blanket refusing all Democrat nominees in the future, which they 100% will do as it stands now. It's not just about seating Garland. It needed - and still needs - to be made clear that the Senate can't wipe its ass with the Constitution in order to screw a president of the other party.

If nothing else, it would at least have made an issue of this. Obama took way too much shit lying down.

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sue based off what, exactly? The text says doesn't say they absolutely have to act on any nominations.

the courts would just defer to the senate to define its own processes. They don't tend to like telling other branches how to act when it comes to their own proceedings.

 

[Anton Sugar]

What you solution then?
Send people who vote Republican into re-education camps?

Blaming this on the voters means accepting this reality, and I will never ever accept America slide into fascism as forgone conclusion.

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Michael Brooks had it right when he said "be ruthless with systems--be kind to people".

 

[LegendofJoe]

Here's the article, it's one of the most terrifying things I've ever read. If you want to know the long-term goals of authoritarian conservatives I suggest you read it:

Beyond Originalism

The dominant conservative philosophy for interpreting the Constitution has served its purpose, and scholars ought to develop a more moral framework.

www.theatlantic.com

This section in particular sent shudders down my spine:

This is not the occasion to offer a bill of particulars about how constitutional law might change under this approach, but a few broad strokes can be sketched. The Court's jurisprudence on free speech, abortion, sexual liberties, and related matters will prove vulnerable under a regime of common-good constitutionalism. The claim, from the notorious joint opinion in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, that each individual may "define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life" should be not only rejected but stamped as abominable, beyond the realm of the acceptable forever after. So too should the libertarian assumptions central to free-speech law and free-speech ideology—that government is forbidden to judge the quality and moral worth of public speech, that "one man's vulgarity is another's lyric," and so on—fall under the ax. Libertarian conceptions of property rights and economic rights will also have to go, insofar as they bar the state from enforcing duties of community and solidarity in the use and distribution of resources.

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[mAcOdIn]

What you solution then?
Send people who vote Republican into re-education camps?

Blaming this on the voters means accepting this reality, and I will never ever accept America slide into fascism as forgone conclusion.

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I don't think our slide into fascism is guaranteed but I do think we have a constant undercurrent trying to make that happen.

Blaming Democrats to me, for this specifically, is always funny to me because it's so absurd. Most conservatives are supporting our decline to fascism, they don't really need to pick the "best" candidate to make that happen or the most competent candidate, it doesn't really matter, so long as they keep voting R even if they're bumbling morons they're going to keep inching us to the right. Democrats on the other hand have to play it perfectly right now or they get bitch slapped politically. We vote in incompetent people and we get fucked, we vote in good people that can't thread that needle and we get fucked, Democrats basically need perfect conditions to combat this slide which really don't come up to often.

So I don't think our descent to fascism is guaranteed but I think our chances are heavily weighted towards a fascist future barring some insane outside factors that offer the electorate a chance to reevaluate things or some wonder candidate that is popular enough on both sides to right the ship.

 

[Chikor]

Michael Brooks had it right when he said "be ruthless with systems--be kind to people".

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He sure did.
And voters hating and blaming each other rather than our politicians or the rich people bribing them is how we maintain this system.

 

[Pau]

moving to a pre/post-Roe footing where reproductive healthcare is once again a clandestine activity

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Reading it like this is just. Ugh.

 

[EloquentM]

He sure did.
And voters to hate and blame each other rather than our politicians or the rich people bribing them is how we maintain this system.

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:(

 

[excelsiorlef]

This.

Modern media wants to keep the audience stupid and go for the easy clicks like Kardashian new wedding and such instead of paying for real peices that require time and money to produce.

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[Chikor]

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This is like when people call CSPAN and say "I have voted for Democrats all my life, and I think Trump is great", but with higher production values.

p.s.
LMAO Noah Feldman, I remember when people were celebrating that clown as some sort of legal genius.

 

[excelsiorlef]

This is like when people call CSPAN and say "I have voted for Democrats all my life, and I think Trump is great", but with higher production values.

p.s.
LMAO Noah Feldman, I remember when people were celebrating that clown as some sort of legal genius.

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The media loves this shit.

Post Roe news coverage is going to be incredibly fucked