Is it though? If you decide not to buy anything from a corporation on the day in which their margins are (potentially) the lowest they'll be all year, aren't you just saving them from losing out on potential profits if you purchase on any other day of the year?
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Support Amazon Workers for the Prime Day Strike!
- Thread starter Cow Mengde
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Is it though? If you decide not to buy anything from a corporation on the day in which their margins are (potentially) the lowest they'll be all year, aren't you just saving them from losing out on potential profits if you purchase on any other day of the year?
Are we supposed to be having "solidarity dick-measuring contests" now or something? What, are we supposed to compare each other's donation records to see who is truly progressive and who isn't too?
Feel free to think that not buying something on Amazon is helping if you want.
And you can still show solidarity by just choosing slower shipping.
Yup, I'm boycotting.
Also good to remember that even if you're tempted by something on sale, worth looking around as a lot of other big organizations are doing sales to try to compete. Best Buy for instance has a flash sale today and tomorrow with some price matches.
Also good to remember that even if you're tempted by something on sale, worth looking around as a lot of other big organizations are doing sales to try to compete. Best Buy for instance has a flash sale today and tomorrow with some price matches.
Yeah man the way to help is actually crossing the picket line and spending hundreds of dollars at amazon when people are on strike
I dunno, I think I try and help a lot. I try and donate a lot. I try and support movements. As I increase my wealth, I have goals on how to give back. One idea I have is trying to rent housing units at much more affordable rates for those that need it.
But I guess I failed the "progressive exam" by a couple of things on Amazon today. Because you seem to think there is some unique topological ordering on actions to take in order to be "progressive".
Why is it so hard for people to understand how strikes work? It's not about dick measuring or purity tests or gatekeeping. It's just about respecting the workers who have begged people to not shop on the store for one day. One little day. Just one day that they're asking people to avoid shopping. Just one. And that's too much for some people because who gives a fuck about solidarity.
So, what do you think about people that shop on Amazon today that know about this strike? What judgement are you making on them for saying no to this?
Even if Amazon was selling it at a steep loss, your individual purchase of some bullshit that you would probably never buy if it wasn't on sale isn't hurting Amazon. Hell, your individual purchases aren't significantly helping Amazon either. What matters more is collective action and people are trying to do that on the day Amazon is trying to promote in hopes that their message can be seen when all eyes are on Amazon. The ask here is extremely minimal, it's to simply not buying something for a couple days and talking about the strike to help that message.
Why would this thread have more posts than one constantly sharing rolled out deals?
Doubt it's much better other than they have less healthcare worries.
Hmm a landlord with "increasing wealth".....sounds like you definitely could afford to buy a roomba and second Sonos at a retailer with workers that weren't striking and you coulda done the absolute bare minimum to show solidarity and yet you didn't
Do you realize you're still whining about purity tests when all people are asking you to do is not buy things? You literally don't have to do anything and yet that's still too much for you and the other scabs on here
I am not a landlord. I'm talking about how I'd like to invest my money in ways that can help people as I make more money. Not sure how you twisted that into a sin.
And you're the one repeatedly pushing this purity test. It seems like you really want to give yourself the moral high-ground here for simply doing nothing.
Hell, I've said multiple times how you can help by choosing slow shipping options too. Not sure why that keeps being ignored.
I feel bad because I really needed rabbit food, so I had to use Amazon today. I meant to get it yesterday, but I forgot. It wasn't on sale or anything, they just have the brand he likes in bigger containers than PetCo.
I don't plan on buying anything else, though.
I don't plan on buying anything else, though.
Yeah when tasked with the easiest show of solidarity possible I somehow managed to do it instead of spending hundreds of dollars crossing a picket line and whining in this thread about how I can't live up to purity tests that require me to do nothing. I'm sure the amazon workers will feel better knowing that you intend to help in your hopes and dreams
I have a cat with a digestive disorder that I have to buy special food for. If the option was between using amazon and him potentially not eating for a few days, I could justify that for sure. He's your pet and you had to, IMO you shouldn't feel bad
The people buying random luxury items are a different story
You really seem to want to flaunt this moral high-ground as much as possible and milk it for all its worth, huh.
Can't say I'm surprised by the materialism by some on this forum, but at the same time, they shouldn't be complaining about workers' rights when making their favorite, uninspired AAA game.
I'm still completely baffled that people use this shit company after their labour practices were exposed. Surely convenience can't mean that much to people.
The fuck did you expect coming into this thread? "Congrats on the sweet speaker, bro!"???
I didn't post that here. The other person quoted that post into this thread
you can't complain about purity tests when you came into a thread about the strike and announced that it wouldn't affect your spending habits. What did you think people ITT would be talking about?
Edit: the eel said it first
Hey man the amazon workers all heard about your vague plan to help them at an indeterminate point in the future and actually want to congratulate you on the sweet speaker bro.
I think it's worth talking about what it means to boycott Amazon.. Sure, not buying anything from them directly is one thing, but does that mean I shouldn't use their streaming service to watch movies? What about sites owned by them like imdb, goodreads and twitch? Can I read the Washington Post? And it gets even harder if you you count AWS.. I know for a fact Netflix is hosted on it, and for all I know Era could be too.
wint @dril 4 hours ago
Fucked up that Amazon will pay people to piss, shit, and have heart attacks on their store floors when I'm willing to do it for free
Fucked up that Amazon will pay people to piss, shit, and have heart attacks on their store floors when I'm willing to do it for free
I only posted in this thread to respond to the message below. That has been what this whole conversation is about. I haven't said that there is anything wrong with this boycott. I'e only been pushing back against this idea that this is what determines whether or not somebody is progressive. Cooking has consistantly been pushing this attitude.
See, Cooking is even still going at it. This person doesn't know a thing about me and is choosing to try and color all of my actions, even actions trying to help people, in a negative light. What good does it do to try and berate somebody who is trying to tell you how they are making early plans on how to help people as they earn more money? I'm making a plan now how to help people. I try and help people even now by regularly donating. I'm just pushing back against Cooking's attitude that this is where the line is drawn.
A scab is somebody who fills in the job roles that are on strike during a strike. The idea is that people going on strike is a wound to the business, and scabs come in to heal it and undermine the strike to their advantage.
The reverse appears to be the case. Shopping somewhere during a strike doesn't make one a scab. Replacing a striking worker does.
I asked before but I still don't understand how not buying sth helps the strike. If amazon plans for z demand on the prime days and x workers then go on strike so amazon can only fulfil a lower amount of y orders on time. If boycots then cause the demand to reduce from the original z level down to sth nearer to y then there is no labour shortage and all orders get fulfilled on time. So the striking workers don't have any bargaining power. Bottlenecks are pretty much why strikes are usually threatened during days with peak demand
Damn man it sucks to get your feelings hurt and to have people just ignore your mistreatment
It means amazon makes less money why is this difficult for you to understand?
The motivation is probably to have Prime Days not be a success, which will message to Amazon that the public is on the strikers' side.
My feelings are fine. Keep checking on them regularly if you want though, I suppose.
I have the same concerns. The issue isn't that Amazon makes too much money, the issue is that they aren't investing it properly in their workers. If they had to downsize and lay people off, the workers that are left aren't going to have better working conditions.
I understand the symbolic argument, but it would also have to be coupled with a simultaneous public show of protest along with it so that Amazon knows the source of the failure. A sale could fail for any number of reasons.
So the thing is, a huge chunk of the workers at Amazon fulfillment centres aren't actually Amazon employees, especially during seasonal periods. Amazon goes to staffing companies and say we need X amount of forklift operators, X amount of picker, X amount of packers for X days. They are then billed for those employees and then the staffing companies pay the workers. And they pay them worse than Amazon does, with barely any benefits.
How do you not understand that the ONLY thing corporations respond to is a detrimental effect on their bottom line?
That's not really how labour strikes work though. You don't want to reduce demand you want to hold it hostage. When train conductors strike they don't try to get people to use busses. Its a weird way going about this
My friend used to do it as a more casual thing cause he wanted extra cash while in school. From what I can tell, they hire on the spot and work you hard. Gotta work fast and meet quotas to not get in trouble. It's easy if you're in good health, young, and not injured, but this type of job has no requirements so anyone can get hired and it seems a lot of older folks who cannot physically endure it end up there due to it being the only job they can get.
Of couse they do, but what I'm not seeing how the causal effect of them making less money of the consumer side translates to better working conditions for workers. Traditionally, boycotts are used to affect change on the consumer end. To make a comparison to the crunch issue on the gaming side, how would consumers boycotting, say, RDR2 stop R* from crunching? It's a management issue.
Excuse my ignorance and im very late to this party but what are the striker's major asks?
Doesn't Amazon already pay warehouse workers very high and offer good benefits relative to the industry? I think I saw something that they start at $15 an hour which is fantastic for warehouse work
Doesn't Amazon already pay warehouse workers very high and offer good benefits relative to the industry? I think I saw something that they start at $15 an hour which is fantastic for warehouse work
$15 an hour isn't that good when you're worked to the bone. it's not about pay, it's about treatment.
Good pay does matter if the actual conditions in which you're working are shit.