I didn't think the Zod fight was any good. I much prefered the fight against the two underlings with the military raining bullets on them.
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Superman vs Zod is still one of the coolest fights in superhero films. And 'Arcade' is one of the best musical themes ever.
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Preach!
Remember when Reeves Supes was worried about the people? A real super man.
Terrible.
A fight with no weight due to opponents that can't get harm. If anything it shows how pointless is to make a Superman movie where he solves things punching them.
A fight with no weight due to opponents that can't get harm. If anything it shows how pointless is to make a Superman movie where he solves things punching them.
Say what you will about Snyder, but the guy has a visual style and can direct cool action sequences.
Amazing how three small changes would have fixed several problems with Clark's character and improved the characterization of Superman.
If he had saved Pa Kent anyways, kept trying his best (and failing) to move the fight out of Smallville and Metropolis while saving people, maybe even have him be too slow to save someone in the earlier fights. Have the fight mess up his cape and costume. Make it seem like he was at his wits end on how to end the conflict.
I would have actually understood killing Zod.
Man of Steel however doesn't make me feel that way. It doesn't earn the moment, instead as some praising it in this thread have said. It's a DBZ fight where Stuporman (intentional misspelled) kills his enemy at the end and feels bad.
Even Goku gave Freeza a chance to give up.
While slower paced and limited by visual effects of the time. This scene, understands Superman better than Man of Steel.
I never got the impression that the Clark of Man of Steel actually cared about mankind in general. Superman is supposed to be the Man of Tommorow, the guiding light to show us the way.
And his godlike status in BvS made less sense to me.
Honestly Justice League Whedon version must of suffered brain damage from the resurrection, because he is the first version to act like Superman to me on a real level.
Goku is an ass and recently almost doomed all the universes to getting erased because he wanted a tournament. Plus they totally took supermans origin for goku, over the years its gotten more and more similar.
He has a boner for fighting, don't pull the technicality yakon on me.
yeah people like to dump on Whedons JLA but at least he made Superman act like Superman.
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Are you aware of "Dragonball"? If so, did anything in particular inspire you?
I've seen a few episodes of Dragonball. I know it's a major work of anime, and that it has suitably huge-scale battles depicted beautifully. However, in response to your question, there's another anime I've forgotten the name of, where loads of city buildings get destroyed... I know there are loads of such scenes in anime, but this one in particular is possibly like Man Of Steel. I'm sure it's a TV series... hold on a minute *he phones his staff* In the US it's called "Birdy the Mighty".
Oh, "Tetsuwan Birdy"!
Yes!
In Birdy there are also characters who fight in super-powered suits, right?
Absolutely. The city battle scenes in it are so good, they have a huge impact. Also, because in Man Of Steel the fighting is mostly one-on-one hand-to-hand stuff, rather than in, say, The Avengers where they're fighting a huge force, the movie's much more like the fantastic style of anime than other movies.
So yeah, Birdy the Mighty was the biggest inspiration for the scene in Man of Steel. Funnily enough, the animator for this sequence, Norio Matsumoto, is a legend in the animation industry and has drawn some of the most iconic fight scenes in anime history (including this one.) He animated many of the best fights in Naruto, including that sequence where Naruto fights Sasuke in the waterfall valley with the curse marks and stuff.
This anime good? Birdy the mighty heh?
Yeah, Tetsuwan Birdy Decode is a fun show. It's nothing groundbreaking but it's worth giving a shot.
When deterrence failed, Zod was stamped out.
Lex figured it out eventually but he's still a hack, man.
Then later Superman went to reave that diner of its pinball machine, by placing the diner's first-ever to-go order. An unexpected way of things "working out", you might say.
Kid Goku is a mass murderer, he killed tons of Red Ribbon soldiers, he didn't start giving a shit about sparing people until after he trained with Kami. But that was back when it was much more of a gag manga so they want you to ignore that.
Original OVA is better. *smug wink*
Half kidding, Decode's not really good per se, but That One Fight Scene is dazzling and it has several other cool moments. Birdy's design here was also probably the best she's been imo. Somewhat.
Fair enough. I was only thinking DB and DBZ Goku. Not Super.
Even though I like Super and it's characterization of Goku as a country bumpkin who likes to fight he's not Superman. The initial origin is, but the characters are not.
Both last scions of a race. But one was raised as a recluse who never saw any other people until he was 11. The other was raised among people his whole life and interacted with them daily.
One was taught to respect life, people, and believe in the good of humanity. The other was taught how to fight people.
One didn't learn of their heritage until they had, had their own children. The other learned it during adolescence.
They have the same basic origin but are very different character. But as I said earlier, even Goku gave Freeza a chance to just give up.
See this is a legit problem with the Manga and anime. Did he kill tons of soldiers or did they get knocked out. Shonen series are rarely clear on that except for boss fights.
man these are some super courteous villains. Zod doesn't try to attack anyone but Superman. His henchman wait until after Supes is no longer distracted before lifting the bus. They give him time to notice too before throwing. Man, Reeve's Superman was easy mode in never having to make tough choices, and, if it ever did go bad, just fly around the earth in the opposite direction of earth's rotation and try again.
also surprisingly durable walls compared to the vehicles that collapse on the slightest hit.
Hence my comment on pacing and sfx of the time limitations.
When I went in to watch Man of Steel with Zod being the villain I expected basically nightmare mode of these scenes. Zod and his henchman causing destruction and damaged while Superman rushes around to save people while occasionally attacking back.
Instead we level a town, a city and have Superman not care about anything but fighting them.
Season 1 is intensely boring. Season 2 is more watchable and has all of the good action.
Hmm no it's not limited by the vfx and pacing of the time. It's limited because it wants to spend more time on Superman focusing on people. There's no way to realistically do that with multiple Kryptonians unless there's tons of collateral. Example: the bus could have been thrown while Zod and Superman were fighting and roll towards Superman while he just finished throwing Zod. It doesn't because Supes only works if he's not actually challenged.
The amount of times I've seen that combo since the movie in things outside of the movie is kind of ridiculous.
I think it's generally true that people don't want superman to exist in a dour world where you can't always win. I don't mean this as a slam, just that they prefer him to exist in a world where he can have his cake and eat it to in most cases; where there can be an optimistic outcome and he can save all the people.
I liked the fight as well but as for the destruction, people need to remember Superman hadn't had to fight anyone close to being Zod, or anyone at all. You can't expect his first super battle to be like Goku's "I'll fight you but only if we're away from people". Zod don't give a fuck.
As far as killing Zod, it's fitting because despite the thousands thatve died that day, the only time Clark had to sit back and WATCH someone die was his father and he couldn't do anything then. He didn't wanna repeat that scenario so he did the only thing he could.
My only real gripe with the fight is, I believe being punched by other Kryptonians should mean Clark is bloody and bruised. But not even a hair was out of place at the end of it all
As far as killing Zod, it's fitting because despite the thousands thatve died that day, the only time Clark had to sit back and WATCH someone die was his father and he couldn't do anything then. He didn't wanna repeat that scenario so he did the only thing he could.
My only real gripe with the fight is, I believe being punched by other Kryptonians should mean Clark is bloody and bruised. But not even a hair was out of place at the end of it all
Yep. Just looked like a crappy CGI sequence to me the entire time. Much of that film just seemed like the inverse of "cinematic gaming".
Same, although it was from 1981.
people will hate but I will say that the fights in Man of Steel really sold the whole Kyprotian are different beings plotline. I have never felt superman was someone totally different till that film, still my family was very heavy in Marvel so my experience with DC as through television.
That part was always weird to me too. Like how can he snap Zod's neck if they can't even bruise each other? It doesn't make sense.
This is a weak excuse, since his morals and resolve for protecting people goes further back than his experience fighting other fighting bricks. Even in comics, when he first comes across flying bricks, he still worked to save people even while toppling down buildings and cratering people.
Doubly so when fighting people significantly stronger than him. And in instances where he can't completely avoid destroying something, he'll come back to help fix it.
... I don't get how this film is still divisive. I thought the origin story was great, the protagonist having to come to a decision about the world that has somewhat cast him out (yet he keeps trying to do good), a phenomenal villain who at the end of the day was going to commit a genocide to bring his people back, great visuals, fantastic fight scenes, and a score that fits perfectly.
Oddly enough the origin part copies a lot of the origin format of Batman Begins. Current day clips to flashback that is mildly relevant then clips back to current day. Granted David Goyer and Christopher Nolan were on both Batman Begins and Man of Steel.
Oddly enough the origin part copies a lot of the origin format of Batman Begins. Current day clips to flashback that is mildly relevant then clips back to current day. Granted David Goyer and Christopher Nolan were on both Batman Begins and Man of Steel.
Good lord this fight was terrible. Just two immortals punching each other through buildings for ten minutes. It reminded me very much of the Agent Smith/Neo fight from Matrix Revolutions, just CGI destruction with zero stakes. The cherry on the top of a truly awful movie.
Ugh I hate Ragnarok so much. I'll never understand how people find this movie funny lol, especially that idiotic opening with Thor twirling around
if I recall correctly, they were looking to cause him grief by putting humans in danger. They were messing with him.
Yeah that was a really cool scene. Effectively makes a visual case for why superheroes and villains would be disastrous to us
I dont like the scene in man of steel particularly much though but zimmers soundtrack for it was hype as shit.
That was the one of the worst fight scenes I've ever had the displeasure of watching. Terrible choreography, so over the top you cannot connect to anything happening, and just overall profoundly stupid.