Alexander Luthor Jr. would be such a good idea because OG Lex fucking hates him too.
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Superman & Lois S1 |OT| The Retconned Adventures of Superman
- Thread starter ZeoVGM
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Alexander Luthor Jr. would be such a good idea because OG Lex fucking hates him too.
Watched the pilot and thought it was pretty good. Agree with others that Captain Luthor is probably Alexander. CW alumni train don't stop. The guy they cast for him previously played basically Satan in The Vampire Diaries.
This was excellent. Superman's compassion and care is both his strength and weakness - this show really does a great job showing that without being too sappy. Felt very human.
The kid with powers currently is named Jordan and the other one without powers is named John. I suspect John will eventually get powers too.
Really solid premiere. Feels like the CW is aiming for a slightly older demo with this one which is nice since I've aged out of the audience they normally program for. Obviously a bit of teenage angst is to be expected but I just don't want them to go full soap.
I love Superman. He''s one of my all-time favorite characters so I'm really happy that i've come around on Tyler as Clark Kent. But JFC I hate these kids. I wish that there was just kid and that he was actually like Jon Lane Kent from the comics. I'll give it another episode or two but I'm not hopeful.
I'm watching the litlte post-show thing and Berlanti himself called it the Arrowverse
I'm not getting the hate for the kids, Jonathan felt really well adjusted and like a great brother - remember he tried to shield Jordan - and Jordan they actually gave a reason for his teen angst in regards to mental health and (literal) alienation
The answer to all these continuity issues is Crisis
The same way this show will treat aliens as a secretive hidden thing, while Supergirl will continue to celebrate them in an integrated world while Flash completely ignores they exist and Legends hunts them down as a joke
The reviews mentioned we're getting a big reveal regarding 'Captain' Luthor in the second episode so it shouldn't be long before we get an idea of the status quo
I'm not getting the hate for the kids, Jonathan felt really well adjusted and like a great brother - remember he tried to shield Jordan - and Jordan they actually gave a reason for his teen angst in regards to mental health and (literal) alienation
Crisis
The answer to all these continuity issues is Crisis
The same way this show will treat aliens as a secretive hidden thing, while Supergirl will continue to celebrate them in an integrated world while Flash completely ignores they exist and Legends hunts them down as a joke
I would really enjoy seeing this seemingly serious vengeful Parks' Luthor square off against little comical Cryer Lex
The reviews mentioned we're getting a big reveal regarding 'Captain' Luthor in the second episode so it shouldn't be long before we get an idea of the status quo
Just started watching it, but the suit doesn't look right. They want him to look buff in the suit so added padding to it, but it's clear when he's out of the suit that he just doesn't have that kind of build. It's fine to have a slim build Superman, like Christopher Reeve and Brandon Routh were, so I'm not sure why they went with this approach.
Episode was great, lots of good things. Let's see how it goes.
He literally jumped on his brother and risked his own life...don't think he has it in him to start hating his brother like that. At least not initially.
He literally jumped on his brother and risked his own life...don't think he has it in him to start hating his brother like that. At least not initially.
It wasn't bad , they didn't spare expenses
Feels safe but enjoyable
Not so crazy about Lois
This feels more like a hbo show than cw
Top 4 bottom trope are the angry kids of the secret hero, it's played out hope we move past it quickly
Feels safe but enjoyable
Not so crazy about Lois
This feels more like a hbo show than cw
Top 4 bottom trope are the angry kids of the secret hero, it's played out hope we move past it quickly
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I remember hearing about Cryer being cast as Lex and felt skeptical.
But now I put him up there with Michael Rosenbaum's Lex.
But now I put him up there with Michael Rosenbaum's Lex.
I didnt mind Cryers Lex. Since he is Earth primes Lex Luthor I wonder what hell do now since he knows Supermans Identity
Well, he knows one Earth's Superman's identity. He didn't actually think his Superman was Clark Kent though. He dismissed the idea as preposterous.
Youre right, I was always thrown off by that line in Crisis, since I didnt know if he knew that every Superman is basically Clark Kent lol.
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That entire scene might be the most nonsensical moment in the entire Arrowverse.
Lex literally teleported his Earth's Clark Kent to the Waverider. So he know she was involved with what was happening. And he was visiting an alternate universe version of himself, who was Superman.
... But he wasn't able to put 2 and 2 together and realize that his Clark Kent was also Superman.
It's absolutely ridiculous. But I also do kind of enjoy the idea that Lex's one and only blind spot is his inability to see the most obvious thing possible because it's TOO OBVIOUS.
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I didn't even realize it when it first aired because everything was happening so fast.
But upon rewatches, I was like, "Wait. Clark was with them. He's right there. Lex knows this. What."
Do he and Tylerman actually ever share ANY dialogue in Crisis? I can't remember.
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Nope. I don't think they've ever had a scene together. He uses the book to teleport Clark, Lois and Iris away and then he appears to take on Smallville-Clark.
This was... way better than I ever thought it could be. Admittedly my expectations were low even though I've always loved the casting of Clark and Lois for CW. I just didn't think it would be... so.. heartwarming? Seeing Superman be so human and vulnerable, dealing with such normal problems. I loved it.
Can't believe the big bad of this season is Doomguy though, that twist was wild.
Can't believe the big bad of this season is Doomguy though, that twist was wild.
I really liked the pilot but you know I'd like to see Jonathan Kent live long enough in live action again to see Clark grown up, established with his career and Superman, maybe even at least long enough to get married. If I had to choose one thing from Lois and Clark that I appreciated the most I think it'd be that.
Finally got to watch the pilot and just finished it, and it was really good. It's funny, because I'm not the biggest Superman fan, but I remember loving Lois and Clark back when I was a teen (though my mega-crush on Teri Hatcher was certainly a motivating factor in why I watched it), and this show, weirdly enough, made me think of it. Moreso because of the heavy focus on Clark and Lois, as opposed to a heavy focus on Superman.
As 90's goofy as Lois and Clark was, they did do a great job of making Superman incredibly human and likeable. Obviously, budget and VFX were the primary reason why they had to fill the show with other things besides Superman punching stuff, but it worked. Tyler does such a fantastic job as Supes. He was an unconventional choice when I first heard he was cast as Superman way back for Supergirl, but he's consistently managed to nail that "Boy Scout" nature of Superman, without being obnoxious or pretentious. Chris Evans did the same with Captain America, and I'm here for it. His Clark is just so damn likeable. I feel like I don't even need to comment on Lois, because I've loved Elizabeth Tulloch since Grimm (I still need to finish that series, though!), and I think she's great as Lois.
The boys are also well written, and I really like that they seem to be handling Jordan's mental health with consideration and tact. I'm expecting more teen drama angst, as per CW mandate, but I feel like it won't bug me as much in this show so far. Both brothers are distinct, and aren't just carbon copies of Clark, which is going to be a good dynamic for him and Lois going forward, I think.
What surprised me the most about it is how much I was invested in the non-Superman aspects of the story. I think this is a very, very good pilot, especially because so many shows have fairly meh pilots, but this one has me genuinely interested in the next episode, and where the story is ultimately going to go!
I'm just so taken aback by how much I enjoyed the pilot. I didn't expect much from it (neither something super good, or terrible), but am totally onboard this series if they can keep the quality going all season.
As 90's goofy as Lois and Clark was, they did do a great job of making Superman incredibly human and likeable. Obviously, budget and VFX were the primary reason why they had to fill the show with other things besides Superman punching stuff, but it worked. Tyler does such a fantastic job as Supes. He was an unconventional choice when I first heard he was cast as Superman way back for Supergirl, but he's consistently managed to nail that "Boy Scout" nature of Superman, without being obnoxious or pretentious. Chris Evans did the same with Captain America, and I'm here for it. His Clark is just so damn likeable. I feel like I don't even need to comment on Lois, because I've loved Elizabeth Tulloch since Grimm (I still need to finish that series, though!), and I think she's great as Lois.
The boys are also well written, and I really like that they seem to be handling Jordan's mental health with consideration and tact. I'm expecting more teen drama angst, as per CW mandate, but I feel like it won't bug me as much in this show so far. Both brothers are distinct, and aren't just carbon copies of Clark, which is going to be a good dynamic for him and Lois going forward, I think.
What surprised me the most about it is how much I was invested in the non-Superman aspects of the story. I think this is a very, very good pilot, especially because so many shows have fairly meh pilots, but this one has me genuinely interested in the next episode, and where the story is ultimately going to go!
I'm just so taken aback by how much I enjoyed the pilot. I didn't expect much from it (neither something super good, or terrible), but am totally onboard this series if they can keep the quality going all season.
Finally got around to watching this. Loved it. SFX and cinematography for a CW show were top notch. The writing was solid. Lot's of great easter eggs. Superman is both human and heroic. Lois is both loving and determined. I love the take on Sam Lane, the comics should steal it.
The kids are a "wait and see." I don't hate them though. I feel like they could accomplish the same thing with just one kid. Two might be overkill and there for the sake of CW drama.
Hope they can keep up the production levels and writing. If this devolves in a low-budget mess where "Team Superman" is Lois, Jordan, and Jonathan working out of a barn helping Superman stop a freak of the week... I'll be a sad panda.
The kids are a "wait and see." I don't hate them though. I feel like they could accomplish the same thing with just one kid. Two might be overkill and there for the sake of CW drama.
Hope they can keep up the production levels and writing. If this devolves in a low-budget mess where "Team Superman" is Lois, Jordan, and Jonathan working out of a barn helping Superman stop a freak of the week... I'll be a sad panda.
Yeah, it's kind of amazing how it's just straight-up Doomguy.
I am intrigued by the villian's identity. At first, I thought he might some abstraction of Eradicator or Brainiac but that doesn't seem to be the case right now.
Oh yeah as I've seen mentioned this version of General Lane is much better than the others, good that they Crisis retconned him
him liking Superman and thinking he's necessary but not caring for their relationship is a very good angle. Didn't need another daddy in the dark plot line
him liking Superman and thinking he's necessary but not caring for their relationship is a very good angle. Didn't need another daddy in the dark plot line
I grew up watching the Fleischer Superman cartoons on VHS repeatedly, and this may be the greatest thing I have ever seen.
Great series premiere, and I am here for all the Smallville drama. But it kills me that we will probably never see live action Fleischer Supes again.
Great series premiere, and I am here for all the Smallville drama. But it kills me that we will probably never see live action Fleischer Supes again.
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I grew up watching the Fleischer Superman cartoons on VHS repeatedly, and this may be the greatest thing I have ever seen.
Great series premiere, and I am here for all the Smallville drama. But it kills me that we will probably never see live action Fleischer Supes again.
I'm gonna need an episode where his costume is destroyed and he pulls that one out temporarily.
That shit looked great.
That opening scene with the Fleischer suit blew up on Twitter. If they didn't have any more flashback scenes or a Winter Soldier type scene where he brings out the old suit planned before, I bet they do after last night.
I'm really pleasantly surprised that Jordan feels like the "main" of the two boys, rather than Jonathan being the focus while Jordan sits in the background being "weird" like in a lesser show.
I'm thinking they give one brother super durability, heat vision, freeze breath, flying (Jordan), and the other have super speed, super strength, and super vision (Jonathan). Contrast the powers with their personalities like having Jordan or Jon being careless while the other is more careful with their powers and abilities. Even if it's just Jordan having all the powers of his dad I'm okay with that lol.
Yeah this would be ideal for me. Sort of like Conner from Young Justice.
I quit the Arrowverse show years ago, only tuning back in last year for Crisis and Arrow's last season. Despite liking Tyler's Superman I wasn't planning to watch this, but all the good impressions here changed my mind and I'm glad. I'm surprised at how good the pilot was, it didn't even look like the CW shows. Stylistically and tonally it feels like a really good midpoint between the Arrowverse and Man of Steel. Even if some the teen angst with Jordan was already starting to chafe a bit, I really like what they've got started here. Definitely in for more.
Only thing that bothered me was the suit. Clark is a dude in pretty good shape. Then in the suit, he is massive. Its a noticable difference and a distraction and makes his head and neck look small.
Just think of it as part of the disguise
Clark Kent can't be Superman, Superman is jacked with good eyesight!
One of the animated movies poked fun of the glasses thing with Clark and Diana. I forgot which one it was but it was pretty funny how glasses can entirely change how a person's face can look.
I know it's a pilot and they probably sank a good amount of extra cash into it, but that didn't feel like a CW production. Even the first episodes of other Arrowverse shows didn't have such high quality VFX and cinematography. I wish it were able to continue the entire show but I'm sure we'll be back to the usual two sets and a Vancouver street approach soon enough. Still, a distinct start with its own look and feel, and a clean cut cast (something say Batwoman severely lacked and frankly still lacks). I notice it's only 15 episodes like Legends, hopefully that lets them allot more budget per episode.
I thought he was going to say something like they hadn't REALLY seen Superman, like there's just some intangible aura when he's in Superman mode that's absent when he's just Clark, but they just went with the glasses.