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Superman & Lois S1 |OT| The Retconned Adventures of Superman
- Thread starter ZeoVGM
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- Entertainment Comics OT
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That was way better than I thought, and I'm actually really interested to see where they go with the sons.
I somehow didn't hear that line. Then yeah, that checks out.
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I think it's pretty gutsy to do Luthor again when it's in the Arrowverse and Cryer's Luthor has been received so well.
Yeah not a fan
Yeah it turned out good
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I've never watched an Arrowverse show before, but I enjoyed the episode. The chemistry between Clark and Lois is great. Tyler Hoechlin has come a long way since I last saw him get attacked by a giant bear in Grizzly Rage.
Also, Geoff John's hair plugs do not look good.
Also, Geoff John's hair plugs do not look good.
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The documentary seems to be solidifying the fact that they're not going to shy away from this being in the Arrowverse.
(And also confirming that they are going to consider Stargirl as part of the Arrowverse going forward.)
(And also confirming that they are going to consider Stargirl as part of the Arrowverse going forward.)
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That producer said worlds earlier too right, hmmm, interesting.
Yup, good to see it get mentioned right in here.
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It's going to be strange if they use a different set for the Fortress and don't update it on Supergirl.
I'm into it.
The foundation of the show is great, and the emotional beats work. I like the kids a lot and think Lois has a ton of potential.
Cut back on the big-scale sci-fi stuff, though. I disengage whenever Superman starts flying around the world in 10 seconds.
The foundation of the show is great, and the emotional beats work. I like the kids a lot and think Lois has a ton of potential.
Cut back on the big-scale sci-fi stuff, though. I disengage whenever Superman starts flying around the world in 10 seconds.
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I feel like that's a problem with Superman in general. These are his powers so like... he should be doing that. But also, it can negatively impact the storytelling. He's a hard character to balance.
Just don't make him that fast and that strong, a la countless comics, TV shows, games, etc.
Superman: The Animated Series nailed this.
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This is true. But that era of DC animated nailed everything.
So why are we constantly seeing Superman traverse continents in a blink of an eye!?!
...because it's efficient storytelling? Most of his Superman time in this episode was spent getting his ass kicked so I'm not seeing how this is an issue
Firstly, I think the scale, for this show, is beyond the budgetary means. Less is more almost always, anyway.
Secondly, I think other Superman scenes in the show played much more in line with the rest of the grounded tone. Him lifting the truck, the reactor scene at the start, etc. He's still moving around real fast, but he's not going mach... 20?
Thirdly, stakes. You need them. If Superman can take a nuclear bomb to the face and live... he has zero physical stakes beyond plot devices, which is boring. I say this as a guy who LOVES Superman.
If the pilot already has Superman doing some Superman IV tier super speed flying around the world, it takes away a certain foundation to me as a viewer. It's too cartoony for me, and I wish they'd dial it back.
Nothing that happened in the big bad fight scene required these extreme wide shots of the Earth with two guys zipping around to that degree- you could have had them just flying above any city and still achieved the exact same action beats.
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This is obviously a nitpick but there is an easy way to avoid this: don't have him land halfway across the world from that fight. Then he doesn't have to fly around the world in 5 seconds.
Bingo.
Just have the fight happen where it started, or have them fly into a neighboring city/town. I felt like they went to the opposite side of Earth in a blink of an eye, and it felt too dialed up for my tastes.
I really don't see this as an issue. The dramatic stakes of the sequence were not undercut by Superman flying fast, and him ending up in faraway locales while doing Superman stuff helps to make it feel like everything isn't happening in a cordoned off Toronto street like most of the CW stuff.
It's just a taste thing, partially, but I've just seen this happen countless times where they make Superman too fast/strong for the writing to keep up very long. You end up watching the same types of action scenes repeatedly, but maybe they'll break the mold somehow.
I think you can get away from the CW Toronto streets motif and find a middle ground where Superman isn't in space all the time.
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Again, SUPER nitpicking. I'll think about it for a moment and then get over it. But it is something that can technically be avoided.
I can bet with confidence that besides budgetary reasons, the people involved with this are terrified of "The Man of Steel Problem" and space is a handy little work around
I dig the show, but I do wonder how they will have it make sense in the universe it is in.
Love the look of the show.
Love the look of the show.
I like this Lois much more now. Modernity fits this actress like a glove- some of the dialog she had in the other shows was too silver age for it to have gravity.
Seeing her talk aggressively about how the rich extort the poor, etc, felt spot on.
Seeing her talk aggressively about how the rich extort the poor, etc, felt spot on.
It's way better than I was expecting tbh, they really nailed the tone of this show. Cinematography is superb as well. Feels like something of a fresh start for the Arrowverse. Definitely worth watching, I think you'll have a smile on your face in the first five minutes.
My only minor concern is that it might lean too heavily into the "teenage angst" angle with his son in future episodes. But so far, so good. I'm happy they're only doing 15 episodes too, that should eliminate much of the filler that comes with 22 episode seasons.
Maybe it's because I'm in my mid-30s, but I think the family drama, brutally-modern setting, and the brotherly push-pull are going to be what make the show for me.
It was refreshing to watch something so earnest and with a clear POV. I noticed by the end that the show has next to no sex appeal, which is nuts for the CW.
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They completely nailed Superman's character in fifteen seconds. Was that SO HARD???
I'll be honest. I would prefer if they kept this in its own pocket universe. Keep the baggage of the Arrowverse out cause this feels earnest and unique from the other shows.
I liked it, knew they'd end up giving Jordan powers but I didn't expect it to be so soon. Wonder how long until he starts trying to do super hero shit.
Hey, I watched Grimm too... all the way to the end with the awful ship pandering they did.
And Nora was supposed to be in like in her late 20s when they wrote her that way.
Crisis happened and now Earth Prime and the births happened earlier in the new timeline.
I believe he said in the episode that his world died and he somehow survived. So he is probably another earths Lex or brother, offspring. They never gave a first name.