The current clones are way closer to their source than the old Melee clones though. Probably because of balancing reasons.
First thing I will do is dart to the Tips section. Or maybe try and send an email?
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The current clones are way closer to their source than the old Melee clones though. Probably because of balancing reasons.
First thing I will do is dart to the Tips section. Or maybe try and send an email?
When you realise amiibo were ahead of the curve and Link had been teasing his cryonis rune years in advance, gotta freeze something for a platform when traditional water means are out of the equation.
With Daisy it's easy since she has barely anything in the source material.
Except Doctor Mario was grouped together with Dark Pit and Lucina in SSB4.
Just because he was added late. He has significantly more changes from Mario in Smash 4 than the other two late additions.
Ken is closer to some of the Melee clones in terms of usability, yes. Especially Melee Dr Mario.
Yet nobody whined about Doctor Mario in Smash 4 because, again, he was a returning veteran from the fan favourite game.
Basically what I'm saying is that people who whine about clones/echoes are manbabies.
You caught me before the edit, I had misread your post
Knowing that Nintendo is calling the shots on this one instead of just Sakurai doesn't help matters, lol.
Nope now that it seems that Rex and Spring Man were seemingly knocked out it's pretty much put a huge question mark on what they want to do. It just goes down to what you think happened in development.
Did they make the AT and Mii Costume during development because they wanted to have something in the game so fans wouldn't feel miffed because they would be DLC or are they offering it because they know they won't be DLC. Could it be that they're not DLC because they want to focus on upcoming 2019 releases for advertising purposes or going all out with guest fighters.
Personally I don't really think the Mii Costume and AT means much of anything and I'm on the side that thinks they made it in during development so they could have something of them for the base game and they still have a solid shot at being DLC. However though now that the seeds of doubt are there it makes it really difficult for people to come to a consensus on what they want to do.
I've seen plenty of people complaining about Dr. Mario though. Someone even blamed him on having Wolf cut to me one time lol
Dark Pit though seems to get the most hate.
To be fair, there are other issues with clones besides "They took a slot"
As a Daisy fan, I am very mixed on Daisy's inclusion.
- Little to no worthwhile changes from the source character - not even enough to affect tier list placement. e.g Dark Pit.
- Character can lose individuality - e.g Richter Belmont.
- Possible potential of the character not realised.
- Does not bring much to the game, besides character appeal (this is subjective)
- Inaccuracies and mis-characterisation due to reusing data from another different character - e.g Peach Blossom Final Smash.
- Possible balancing issues.
- Roster padding - shows up in Random etc.
As a Daisy fan, I am very mixed on Daisy's inclusion.
They do note that these rules are not finalized and this is just for testing purposes.
Yeah looking at it again. It's weird how they let Gamer in but not Skyloft and Wuhu Island which both seems fine based on what we've seen.
Gamer and hazardless Town and City seem like the most likeliest to be cut from that list.
Damn...just realized that Sakurai finessed the shit out of the "I know clones take 0 work, but Daisy can still be an alt costume for peach" crowd with the merge option. Same applies for the people bitching about Lucina and Dark Pit after Sakurai explained himself.
Gotta give him credit there.
Gotta give him credit there.
Yeah, I hope they try out using that stage, it looks perfectly fine with hazards off. I'm happy that people are trying out Castle Siege and Gamer, they have good visual and layout variety.
What is the hazardless default layout for skyloft anyway? There were a few different platform variations on the actual, uh, floating platform. If it sticks with one that's similar to Smashville or w/e it's probably just seen as less important. The big goal here seems to be looking at different layout configurations
Hazards being off for all of them seems extreme.
It's just going to make Smashville a worse stage.
I originally thought Stage Morph was a gimmicky feature, but after seeing it in play I think it should be applied in competitive, at least in the same manner as counterpicking.
It's another three platform variant, but the bottom platform can be jumped through and the top platforms are arranged differently than BF
Hazard toggle is not a per-stage thing.
It's all or nothing and every single time you want to change it you have to dig through the rules and toggle it on/off.
Yeah, I feel it has good potential to shake things up. I hope it works well in the competitive environment.
Of the listed stages, I feel like Gamer could be the first to go if one has to be swapped out for Skyloft.
Also, is Unova League listed similarly as Pokémon Stadium?
Also, is Unova League listed similarly as Pokémon Stadium?
I wouldn't imagine that it would take too long to turn it back on after everyone's agreed to play on Smashville, but whatever.
Fountain of Dreams, Yoshi's Story and Pokemon Stadium likely become counterpick if hazards were enabled.
Which is kind of ironic
Also hazard Smashville > no hazard Smashville
Which is kind of ironic
Also hazard Smashville > no hazard Smashville
An idea I was just thinking that could be done to make up for the amount of Tri Plats that are "banned" maybe people could counterpick certain Tri Plats as a replacement for Battlefield. So say someone lost and they choose Battlefield they can choose to play on Fountain of Dreams instead if they felt that version of the stage would help them in the matchup.
I mean, sure. The fact he's an LGBT-hating fascist shitheel is pretty self-explanatory. I just gave the diarrhea icing to the dickweed cake that is Sugiyama.
It's time that adds up and would probably be get obnoxious if the players kept switching between stages that can use SH on and ones that need it off. I can see the logic behind it, especially if most of the stage list is only really usable with it off. Easier to just keep it off in that case.
Sadly that's also a reason I could see Stage Morph not being fully legalized, since it adds another stage to pick during selection. I mean does one person pick both. Does he get 2 counterpicks. IS one just always a starter pick that transitions into a counter?
but they seem open to it so we'll see how it shakes out. in the coming months
Doubles will probably have a totally different stagelist from singles, I assume.
Gamer, Mushroom Kingdom U, Kongo Jungle and Super Mario Maker seem made specifically as comp friendly doubles stages
Gamer, Mushroom Kingdom U, Kongo Jungle and Super Mario Maker seem made specifically as comp friendly doubles stages
if no hazard rule lists kill smashville then it is an acceptable compromise.
I've been hearing a lot about doubles but I feel I almost never see any doubles tournaments get shown off
I don't see why the bolded would become counterpick; the layout changes are barely even noticeable in those two.
I wonder where Castle Siege will end up. Nothing really wrong with that layout.
Adding those two as starters would be too many three platform stages as starters.
the stage select screen is really weird to me
since there's a tab at the top for "Normal," why don't they just have the two standardized layout options as separate select screens on tabs next to that, and then have X set to hazard toggle
also, why aren't Battlefield stages called "Alpha" or "Delta" or "Epsilon" or whatever
Yeah, the tab at the top is confusing me. Unless they plan on adding more than 6 DLC stages (or a Stage Builder) post-launch then I don't really see the point.the stage select screen is really weird to me
since there's a tab at the top for "Normal," why don't they just have the two standardized layout options as separate select screens on tabs next to that, and then have X set to hazard toggle
also, why aren't Battlefield stages called "Alpha" or "Delta" or "Epsilon" or whatever
The Tab's name switches between "[Omega Symbol]" and "Battlefield". I assume they wanted to make it really obvious that you're selecting which of the three types of stages?
I think giving those 2 instances their own distinct "pages" would be more awkward than just having a toggle so I can see why they wouldn't do that
I think giving those 2 instances their own distinct "pages" would be more awkward than just having a toggle so I can see why they wouldn't do that
I was just about to check if that was the case. Huh. Again, I don't really see the point of the tab, considering the stage preview image also features an icon showing which mode it's on (and the image itself changes as well, unlike Smash 4).
just use L/R to flip through them
they already have separate images of each stage in their alternate configurations, so they may as well have the stage page display those in the standard grid
We still don't know the full extent of differences between Simon and Richter, but either way the latter doesn't lose individuality because half the moves of Simon come from Richter's games, so they're both a mish mash of moves from both characters.
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