I actually really like Mario's sunshine controls a bit more. It's starts out clunky cause you got Fludd but once it clicks. You're flying everywhere
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He also owns a cement factory. The amount of businesses this man is involved in is insane.Mario owns a cookie factory.
He's an Entrepreneur, Doctor, Carpenter, Plumber, Chef, Professional Sports Star, Racing Champion, Boxing Referee, Party Animal, Olympic Gold Medalist and, of course
a Teacher and Time Traveller in those educational games.
Yea the core controls in sunshine are perfect. Mario turns on a dime, the running and diving feels great, and the jumping.
It was a really cool throwback to a lot of those jobs he's performed appearing as costumes in Odyssey.
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It would be cool if Dr. Wright become full-fledged character based on buildings, zonings, etc. I don't know how it would works but he have a chance to be mind-scalding crazy character. At least his final smash may be obvious where he would build a Statue of Mario and Robo-Bowser would come over and destroy the stage.
As someone who has Banjo-Kazooie in their top 5, Super Mario 64 is still a masterpiece.
It occupies the same space Ocarina of Time does for me. It's still good and it's important to remember what it brought to game design, but better games have come out since.
I mean, the only 3D Zelda that I think is better than Ocarina Of Time is Majora's Mask, and I don't think many, if any, 3D platformers have made an overall better package than Super Mario 64.
Well, yeah, sure
But you said Banjo was better in "every conceivable way". I mean, we were literally just talking about the trash swimming on the last page :)
I do think, in a lot of ways, Banjo-Kazooie is better than Mario 64. The characters have way more personality, the worlds are clearly more defined and lived in (whereas a lot of the worlds in 64 feel more like abstract playgrounds), and the missions are more varied (Mario 64 has a lot of repeating mission types, whereas the only jiggies in Kazooie that are really repeated are the Jinjo ones).
That being said, the one major thing Mario 64 has over BK is kinda the point of contention: the fact that it has much more advanced and fluid controls. Banjo's movement is pretty slow and simplistic in comparison to the stuff Mario can do in 64. So going by that, I could see why someone would prefer 64 over Banjo.
So basically, Banjo did do everything better than 64...except, you know, the core mechanics/gameplay. They're both still masterpieces though.
That being said, the one major thing Mario 64 has over BK is kinda the point of contention: the fact that it has much more advanced and fluid controls. Banjo's movement is pretty slow and simplistic in comparison to the stuff Mario can do in 64. So going by that, I could see why someone would prefer 64 over Banjo.
So basically, Banjo did do everything better than 64...except, you know, the core mechanics/gameplay. They're both still masterpieces though.
I wouldn't say it's that cut and dry. Banjo decided to focus on a deeper moveset that allows for more varied missions and has it's own appeal. I think Banjo fully decked out is more fun than Mario in 64.
But at that point it's personal preference.
I do think other 3D Mario games have surpassed 64 on the level design, but 64 in general still holds up a treat because of the character control and the fact that the level design is still damn solid for the most part (Dire Dire Docks and Rainbow Ride being the weak links)
I think it's telling that Super Mario 64 hacks that transport Mario into Banjo worlds work a lot better than the reverse. Mario in 64 is a very versatile character and complements the level design much better. Banjo and Kazooie are more specific and less enjoyable if the levels aren't designed to optimize their moves.
I think what Banjo embodies best is the idea of exploring these compact worlds with lots of little details and charm to them. I love exploring the random storage facilities in Rusty Bucket Bay or checking the windows in Mad Monster Mansion. In terms of traveling and platforming though, I'd definitely give it to Mario.
Mario 64's biggest weakness for me is the back third of the game generally has the least interesting levels and the soundtrack/visuals are fairly standard, obviously it was the first major N64 game so that's understandable. Banjo-Kazooie is a lot more consistent in its quality.
I think what Banjo embodies best is the idea of exploring these compact worlds with lots of little details and charm to them. I love exploring the random storage facilities in Rusty Bucket Bay or checking the windows in Mad Monster Mansion. In terms of traveling and platforming though, I'd definitely give it to Mario.
Mario 64's biggest weakness for me is the back third of the game generally has the least interesting levels and the soundtrack/visuals are fairly standard, obviously it was the first major N64 game so that's understandable. Banjo-Kazooie is a lot more consistent in its quality.
I agree that Banjo-Kazooie is better than Super Mario 64, but not "in every conceivable way." Banjo-Kazooie benefited from being able to walk and learn from the trail Super Mario 64 blazed, and I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that B-K might not have turned out the way it did if SM64 hadn't turned out the way it did.
Super Mario 64 was groundbreaking at the time and is still a stupendous game. But yes, I do think Banjo-Kazooie is better overall.
Super Mario 64 was groundbreaking at the time and is still a stupendous game. But yes, I do think Banjo-Kazooie is better overall.
Well yeah, it was originally gonna be a pirate themed Action RPG before then, lol
As the above vid shows, it was also gonna be a Crash Bandicoot styled platformer at some point
It probably be less terrifying to people then getting Byleth
I have no doubt about that, especially with what I've read about the story. How are the maps?
Arguing about Byleth.
Big Boo's Haunt is a genuinely unnerving level. It lacks the cartoony nature of ghost houses in other Mario games; it's first unsettling to see ghosts in the court yard in broad daylight, then suddenly you're warped into a cage and there's this howling wind all around you...
And who can forget:
Wish we got more of that sort of thing in modern Mario games.
Sure looks that way. DQ Spirits were found (and subsequently removed).
If it keeps up the momentum it might end up being my fave since Path of Radiance.
Still 9 hours in is early days.
And also still don't think Byleth is at all interesting (which in game works just fine, I'm still scarred by Corrin)
It's pretty much the main reason I'm stanning Byleth. I like both of their designs, like their weapon of choice, and think there's potential with their teacher role if done well. I also kind of like that they do play up Byleth being a bit of a dopey dead eyed airhead.
In terms of gameplay, 64 Mario will always feel better to control than B&K, at least to me. I can always jump in, mess around for awhile with the free-form controls and have a blast; can't say the same for B-K, which is super dependent on the context of the stages for moves, and is generally much slower unless you lock off most of your move pool and use the Talon Trot.
Guess it just depends on what you value more in a game.
Guess it just depends on what you value more in a game.
Is it shallow of me to say that the only reason I prefer BK is because of Talon Trot and the Double Jump? Better yet because I like Kazooie's Talon Trot noises
My thing with Super Mario 64 is the weird, dream-like level design with floating landmasses and lack of NPCs felt contextualized by the fact that the worlds are pocket dimensions inside a magic castle. When Mario Odyssey's worlds were largely just floating landmasses despite supposedly being real physical places in the Mario setting, I was a little disappointed, compared to how Sunshine made an effort to make all the worlds feel like a real place.
It's something I hope gets addressed in the inevitable Odyssey 2.
It's something I hope gets addressed in the inevitable Odyssey 2.
False, and this is coming from someone that loved Banjo 1.
Only thing that Banjo resoundingly beats Mario 64 on is the fact that you don't have to exit the level every time you get a jiggy.
Well, I can tolerate the Talon Trot noises too, so i'm with you there.
The Feathery Flap and Talon Trot are fine abilities and are well-appreciated in their game, but they just don't give me the same satisfaction as, say, performing a triple jump or diving and long jumping along a stage to go fast.
Well, okay, but you know that's not really what I meant. :P Great bit of history though, I had totally forgotten about that!
Between this, the end of DKC, and most of DKC2, Rare sure had a thing for Pirates.
Certainly gives more context to Sea of Thieves.
I'm watching a video on Donkey Kong Country 3.
Honest question to Dixie fans, would you be alright with Dixie having Kiddy as a partner?
Honest question to Dixie fans, would you be alright with Dixie having Kiddy as a partner?
Maybe for like, one move. I would hate a teamup idea. Completely diminishes the value of Dixie as a standalone character.
Pirates are Gregg Mayles' fetish obviously
Nah
Kiddy is a lamer, I think Dixie should get in on her own merits and not be tied with the least popular protagonist in the whole series.
I'd like it if it were something like Dixie using him as a projectile or weapon rather than a tag team. Make it clear that Dixie's the real star.
That's about what I figured.
DKC3 is the one I have the least experience with. Really need to get around to playing it one of these days.
I'm the one guy on earth using the Dixie and Kiddy smash avatar, yeah I'm fine with Kiddy tagging alone because I always liked the idea of a team character with different properties, like Ice Climber meets Pokemon Trainer.
DKC3 is really weird because it wasn't made by the same team that worked on the first two games.
As that Rare Revealed video I posted shows, those guys (which included the cool people like Gregg Mayles and Chris Sutherland) moved on from DKC to Dream, which ended up as Banjo-Kazooie. Thus DKC3 was handed off to a newer, less experienced B team at Rare, and it kind of shows. From my understanding, this same team also went on to make DK64 and...yeah lol
As that Rare Revealed video I posted shows, those guys (which included the cool people like Gregg Mayles and Chris Sutherland) moved on from DKC to Dream, which ended up as Banjo-Kazooie. Thus DKC3 was handed off to a newer, less experienced B team at Rare, and it kind of shows. From my understanding, this same team also went on to make DK64 and...yeah lol
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