Cinderace learns Counter.
Toxtricity gets Swagger and Taunt.
Sirfetch'd has access to Detect.
Grimmsnarl's False Surrender.
Name a plausible addition and I'll name you a move that can and will be interpreted as a counter. You won't escape.
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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 19 | The Unknown DLC will Continue
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Toxtricity gets Swagger and Taunt.
Sirfetch'd has access to Detect.
Grimmsnarl's False Surrender.
Name a plausible addition and I'll name you a move that can and will be interpreted as a counter. You won't escape.
I think the problem with Pokemon in general is there's so many of them that getting a new one could easily be either someone's favorite or a character they never ever use. Like, I love Pokemon, but I've never willingly played as Lucario or Incineroar. It's easier to root for, say, a given like another DK rep (Dixie!) or something with a more obvious outcome.
I picked Cinderace and liked Ciderace and still would not particularly want them in Smash. I'd much prefer something bizarre and out there. Gimme Eiscue or give me death!
Dunsparce.
I would pay $100 to play as it in Smash.
While you're right, I think it's worth mentioning that Three Houses was still getting DLC when Byleth was announced.
The big expansion even got a trailer on the same day.
I think if a Pokemon was going to be in the second pass, they would have made an effort to have it announced within SwSh's DLC cycle.
And the games are still selling well. Crown Tundra's only three months old.
Ultimate released two years after Sun/Moon, but "a new Pokémon" was still penciled into the project plan.
I said "plausible," but I adore Dunsparce so you get a pass.
Congratulations, its counter is Glare, which works like Sephiroth's counter in that it comes out whether you attack it or not, and it stuns you in place for a few seconds but doesn't do a great deal of damage!
As has been pointed out, a Three Houses DLC trailer was released the day Byleth was announced. Sword & Shield is done and has been for months. If they wanted to cash in on the Pokémon hype, they're a little late.
A pity spirit battles don't use custom stages. Could add some flavour the the post launch spirits.
Like I just said a few days ago, Gen 8 Pokemon is basically like a serial killer in a slasher movie that just keeps getting back up. They could probably do three more SW/SH spirit events and there would still be a chance of it getting a character.
Pretty much the only way to debunk a new Pokemon coming this pass is to wait it out and see if they're any of the three remaining spots.
Pretty much the only way to debunk a new Pokemon coming this pass is to wait it out and see if they're any of the three remaining spots.
The fact that they didn't feel the need for cross-promotional synergy between Smash DLC and Pokémon is telling.
if Protect counts in addition to Detect then that's basically everything
That's what the spirit event was for. Again, characters take time. Byleth was the very last character in FP1.
After this next Challenger Pack i'm going to say the chances of a Sword and Shield rep become a little more slim. They missed out on releasing them while Sword and Shield's DLC support was active; and missing out on that big anniversary tie-in, while promotional efforts will begin to move more towards the Diamond and Pearl remakes, will be another hit against them i'd say.
If a Pokemon rep happens in the last two Challenger Packs i'd only be confused about why they weren't pushed forward, lol.
If a Pokemon rep happens in the last two Challenger Packs i'd only be confused about why they weren't pushed forward, lol.
I was making a point of avoiding TM moves for that reason, yeah - Pokemon comes with a built-in emergency counter button, if they at any point don't know what to use for a down-special.
Because that's how they get you by the balls
Frontload the pass with the cool hype picks like Steve and Sephiroth to get people on board and then drop the less exciting characters like a new Pokemon or Fire Emblem by the time everyone's already bought the pass.
It's been over a year. They've had time. They chose to use Min Min to kick off FP2.
Uh, that was clearly peak hype - why else would they sit on the specific character reveal for several months, silly?
They prioritized a 3 year old first-party game that didn't exactly set the world on fire. (ARMS did fine, but it's no Pokémon.)
Crown Tundra isn't even a full four months old. SwSh is still pretty fresh all things considered.
Not that I think this as a discussion is all that important when the games are only a part of the Pokémon marketing apparatus. This generation is going to be continually pushed for some time. Getting a Gen 8 Pokémon isn't just promotion for a game.
Not that I think this as a discussion is all that important when the games are only a part of the Pokémon marketing apparatus. This generation is going to be continually pushed for some time. Getting a Gen 8 Pokémon isn't just promotion for a game.
ARMS is several years older than Sword/Shield, so I would imagine Min Min would be released long before a hypothetical new Pokémon. We also know that Sakurai wanted an ARMS character in the base game.
I know, I just find it hilarious that they seemed to think it was a reveal worth pre-announcing and making people wait in (very moderate) anticipation for.
By the time Min Min was released, Sword & Shield was already well over six months old. My point is they prioritized ARMS over Pokémon.
If we do get a Gen 8 Pokemon as the last DLC fighter revealed, we'd come full circle.
Because Mewtwo was the first DLC character announced for Smash 4.
Because Mewtwo was the first DLC character announced for Smash 4.
Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu sold more copies last quarter than many full on new games sell in their entire life
Pokemon games don't really "die" until they literally stop printing them
4 months after the last DLC released is like nothing in Pokemon time
Pokemon games don't really "die" until they literally stop printing them
4 months after the last DLC released is like nothing in Pokemon time
I honestly don't get your point. This is like saying Banjo & Kazooie were "prioritized" over Byleth because they released first and closer to Three Houses' release date. That may be true, but we still ended up getting both characters.
I know this has been discussed here before, but I continue to believe that a heavily Smash-inspired game comprised entirely of Pokemon would be a worthwhile endeavor.
I remain skeptical that a Gen 8 Pokémon is happening despite everyone trying to rationalize why it will. If they were going to do it, it feels like they would while Sword & Shield was in its hype cycle for synergy.
We need to be real here. I get that it's fun to doompost about how Smash DLC cycles have ended with real "disapointing" picks like Corrin and Byleth, but really, they couldn't have come any earlier in their DLC cycles.
Corrin was decided on after Fates was released in Japan in June 2015. They were revealed in December 2015 and released in early February 2016; all before the North American launch of Fates later in February (and according to Sakurai, that release timing in-between the JP and international launches of Fates was part of the reason why Corrin was selected). Also keep in mind that Bayonetta, despite being the last character revealed for Smash 4, was in the works earlier than Corrin was; they were the last fighter to enter production for Smash 4 because of the release timing of their game.
Byleth was decided on in November 2018, but according to Sakurai only began production when he gained access to a near-final build of Three Houses a short time before launch. There was no way Byleth could've released any earlier than they did, considering Sakurai wasn't even able to wait for the final release in order to keep up their production schedule.
Sword and Shield has been out for over a year now. If they wanted to make a rep from it happen ASAP they could've released in place of Steve or Sephiroth. That isn't to say that a Gen 8 rep absolutely won't happen because they've waited too long though; like I said I just think the chances of it decrease if they miss out on anniversary synergy.
Me too. But without the shift change thing. It's not bad per say, just I feel it could be better without it
Doth the promotion pick promote the game from where the character is from, or doth it promote the Smash Bros/the Challenge pack itself?
Such mysteries life holds.
*ahem*
Anyways, I don't really want a S&S Pokemon. It's either one of the three final forms of the starters, or one of the DLC headliners, and I'm not feeling any of them really. Still could easily happen though.
Such mysteries life holds.
*ahem*
Anyways, I don't really want a S&S Pokemon. It's either one of the three final forms of the starters, or one of the DLC headliners, and I'm not feeling any of them really. Still could easily happen though.
Yup. Just limit it to one phase and expand the movesets to compensate.
... I'd honestly probably like Pokken better if it emulated Tekken as shamelessly as possible.
I was gonna say just straight up make it Tekken but I thought no one would agree lol
I'm not saying anyone's wrong to consider maximum synergy between SwSh's release dates and Smash and how that comes across when there's been plenty of time to include a Pokemon that has seemingly been ignored, I'm just saying every time we try to get into Sakurai's head and predict a character's placement based on what makes sense from our limited perspective we inevitably fuck around and find out.
We're not trying to get into Sakurai's head. We're trying to get into the heads of Nintendo executives who chose the roster and pressured Sakurai into adding Steve/Minecraft.
I'd like it to basically be Tekken but with slightly freer movement/a pulled-back camera, since Pokemon moves probably require a bit more space than a game focused largely on martial arts.
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