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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 18 | Smash? Gongaga
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Nah! *Among realizable characters* it was K. Rool, of course! I guarantee you we were the most proudly annoying fanbase out there back in Smash4.
Or maybe it was Ridley.
Sora certainly was bellow these two, at least
I'm sure Sakurai is just dying to read the comments on his silly picture of ROB and Mega Man getting gas at Midgar
It's likely that Sora was above them but wasn't "realizable" according to the rumors surrounding negotiations with Disney.
The odd thing is that Brave units are supposed to be alts, like how we still only have a standard Veronica playable in Dragalia Lost, with the playable version in Heroes given due to CYL being a horse riding staff user. So, Brave Gatekeeper shouldn't be just a lance infantry... but that kind of kills the point.
Yeah who knows if being overly vocal on the character you want even works. All it does is skew perspectives on how popular characters truly are and dilutes these characters into an echo chamber where their importance often get inflated in speculation over their potential impact in the industry. pics unrelated
The weird thing is that "unrealizable" characters could have included basically anything that had any sort of obstacle Sakurai and co. didn't feel like overturning at the moment. Like, say, Steve. Adjusting every stage? Forget it.
He may've bothered to take notes at least once. At the end of FP1 he asked people who they expected/hoped the last character to be. In English too!
The solution is clear. Gatekeeper is a tome user, and he summons a grand gate to crush opponents, sort of the vein of Bernie summoning a house and Oliver summoning himself.
Now I know people aren't shitting on my man Gatekeeper in here.
Consider this: When Byleth arrived and got their stage in the Monastery along, there are thirteen background characters. Three from each of the houses, three representing the Church of Seiros... and Gatekeeper. Who even got pointed out specifically in the Byleth gameplay reveal by Sakurai.
Gatekeeper earned that slot by sheer charisma, is what I'm saying. He's just upbeat and nice in a game that can be called many thing, but none of those.
Gatekeeper is in Smash and people would have complained if the gate had been there, but its keeper was not, I can guarantee it.
Consider this: When Byleth arrived and got their stage in the Monastery along, there are thirteen background characters. Three from each of the houses, three representing the Church of Seiros... and Gatekeeper. Who even got pointed out specifically in the Byleth gameplay reveal by Sakurai.
Gatekeeper earned that slot by sheer charisma, is what I'm saying. He's just upbeat and nice in a game that can be called many thing, but none of those.
Gatekeeper is in Smash and people would have complained if the gate had been there, but its keeper was not, I can guarantee it.
Never said that fishing for replies would affect FP2's playable characters. Could've gone to anything. Spirits, mii costumes, future games...
I don't remember this. Maybe my wish for a standalone post-FP2 fighter will be a reality!
I think I remember this tweet. In short hindsight it seemed like obvious obfuscation of the hint Ryce picked up. It was also in English to be fair with the hint.
We know Ultimate existed at the very least as a theoretical entry discussed between Iwata and Sakurai since mid-2015, around when the final few Smash 4 characters were decided and began development. "Realizable" could've also meant "a character that Nintendo and Sakurai were willing to invest the time and money into creating knowing that a new entry was going to be in the works right after."
This is why I don't view Bayonetta as having quiiiiiiite as unique of circumstances as others; she was a ballot winner but a ballot winner selected with Ultimate's development in mind. I don't think they were ever going to be a Sora or even Snake-level pick
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Speaking of finalized characters, do we think that they put a placeholder for one of the FP slots for an upcoming first-party character (Ex: FE placeholder later became Byleth) or do we think everyone was fully decided when the passes were said to be finalized (Ex: They already zeroed in on Byleth by November 6th, 2018)? I had a discussion with Delzethin yesterday, who seems to be of the opinion that it's the latter.
I'm somewhat convinced they always had a vague idea of an ARMS character getting added at some point before finally settling on Min Min by the start of FP2's development.
Would explain why there was no ARMS music in the base game, but also explain why Min Min was a spirit in the base game.
Well, based on how Sakurai described the process with Hero, choosing the specific rep for the series is part of the early negotiation process. I know they can allow themselves a lot more lineance with first-party characters, but i'm sure that's the case for, say, Min Min (and would be the case for any upcoming first-party characters) too.
At the earliest stage of discussion they would've had "ARMS rep" penciled in, maybe even during base game production seeing as they purposefully left out ARMS music, but I feel like in that case (and any future DLC cases) they would've figured out who the specific rep is by the time Sakurai said the choices were finalised in November 2019.
Historically, there seemed to be placeholders for FE and Pokemon. The rumours for both of these at the moment seem to involve remakes, so that wouldn't be needed.
But do you think they decided on Min Min by November 2019 or later?
Maybe I'm taking an offhand Sakurai quote too literally, but when Sakurai said during Byleth's presentation when he unveiled FP2 that he thought maybe 1 or 2 fighters might suffice, I can imagine half or less of the fighters in FP2 were planned much earlier on regardless of there being a second pass or not. Min Min and Steve could have been those "1 or 2."
Very few series have a consistently frequent new protag to use like FE, so I would imagine FE is the exception rather than the rule
I'm talking more in a broad sense like how they had a slot for a character from a then-recent first-party character during 3DS/Wii U's DLC run.
I'm sure Min Min was locked in by the time the second pass was finalized just by virtue of being the first character in the pass. I wouldn't be surprised if the first steps of developing her had already happened by November
If we do get a new pokemon I'm curious when they'll have been decided on, given that the second pass was finalized around the time Sword and Shield launched. Granted, if it ended up being Cinderace, then it wouldn't surprise me if it was decided some time before the game came out, given the push The Pokemon Company has given Cinderace in the anime/other media
If we do get a new pokemon I'm curious when they'll have been decided on, given that the second pass was finalized around the time Sword and Shield launched. Granted, if it ended up being Cinderace, then it wouldn't surprise me if it was decided some time before the game came out, given the push The Pokemon Company has given Cinderace in the anime/other media
I would still assume they picked the actual character beforehand in that case, it's not like there have been that many new releases since then to pick from anyway, so all the potential choices would have been known quantities already
They're very similar, but the N, Y and T are notably different from the actual PM typeface.
An ARMS rep was probably decided very early as separate of Pass 1. The fact that they went with Min Min was likely done a little later; I'd wager possibly as late as Summer 2019, around the end of the Party Crash (I don't believe this had an effect on the selected character since it wasn't mentioned by Sakurai, just that the timing was pretty serendipitous).
I don't think any future character was left an open slot. Maybe a Gen 8 Pokémon given the timing but that was probably settled earlier.
I don't think any future character was left an open slot. Maybe a Gen 8 Pokémon given the timing but that was probably settled earlier.
Is it tough to find? I just cracked open my PS4 copy on the weekend and I liked it so much I was thinking of pulling the trigger on the Switch SE for the soundtrack.
FP2 was already greenlit by that point.
As for Pokémon, wouldn't your Min Min argument be even more damning for a Gen 8 rep since they would have made a conscious decision to do a spirit event instead of a playable character at that time?
In the UK it seems to have sold out on every online store I've checked bar Amazon.
I don't think Pokemon's situation with spirits is equivalent to any other spirit event. It's possible that the spirit event was because we aren't getting a Sword and Shield character, but the spirits they chose weren't going to be chosen as a dlc fighter, and there's still an absurd amount of spirits to choose from if a gen 8 pokemon gets added
It's a far cry from including Leon or the Ring Fit Trainee as spirits. That said, who knows whether we'll get a pokemon or not. It still seems like the most likely first party character if there is another on this pass
It's a far cry from including Leon or the Ring Fit Trainee as spirits. That said, who knows whether we'll get a pokemon or not. It still seems like the most likely first party character if there is another on this pass
It's not that they don't have many options, but rather that they would've waited until later to release the spirits if Gen 8 was getting a rep. But like I said, the fact that the Sw/Sh spirit event was likely approved around E3 time (going by the Pokémon chosen) does put that specific spirit event into question compared to the rest.
Personally I cannot imagine why settling on Min Min could take forever and a half and not cause her to just let Steve or Sephiroth open the pass. So by then or earlier.
Yeah this is a good point, but the timing of the spirit event (right when Sw/Sh launched, unlike most of the others) is why I don't think we can count it out. It was clearly their intent to have the event to promote the game right as it came out, and Pokemon is in the unique position where they can do this without deconfirming a character (unlike Three Houses, for example). If the event had happened some time after release, then I would be more willing to doubt the chances of a gen 8 pokemon
That said, it's kind of a shame we know Corviknight doesn't have a chance of making it into Smash
It still seems crazy to me that we have three characters left and we haven't got a clue as to who they are. All three characters this pass were completely unexpected and came out of left field (counting the ARMs reveal in March rather than Min Min's true reveal).
There's still a reasonable amount of doubt over the chances of a Gen 8 Pokémon because of the spirit event. It's just that the amount of doubt is less compared to the others who got spirited away.
It makes speculating really fun, doesn't it? There's no telling if anyone has even guessed at who the next character could end up being. Even folks actively looking for underdog predictions could get blown away when we get, like, Peter Pepper (the Burger Time guy) or something.
I mean, 2/3 of FP2 got leaked or hinted at in one way or another. Perhaps they need to take pointers from Geoff regarding keeping things under wraps given how both TGA Smash reveals (Joker & Sephiroth) didn't leak.
"Leaked" is really generous to say for Steve who had teases day-of. That's like saying Byleth leaked because someone posted on Reddit that they were gonna be in an hour before the presentation. At that point, most folks's eyes are on the event that's about to happen. Hardly anything like Nintendo themselves accidentally outing SNK's involvement or the "Brave" codename.
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