Nope. IIRC, it was basically "the rest of the world doesn't care about Dragon Quest".
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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 18 | Smash? Gongaga
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Nope. IIRC, it was basically "the rest of the world doesn't care about Dragon Quest".
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Nothing had to do with Sugiyama. It was all about MY CHARACTER over THIS CHARACTER
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Oh boy, you missed out with Brawl and Smash 4 speculation (weirdly I remember you were being there with us during Smash 4 speculation era)
Man, imagine how different Smash would had been if NoA had cut all the JP-exclusive characters back in Melee.
Are you trying to fantasize about a roster without Fire Emblem?
(Isn't the Marth & Roy in Smash led to Nintendo releasing FE outside of Japan talking point false?)
Yeah, I dipped out around when Ultimate released and came back... I think around the start of Fighter Pass 2?
Smash 4 I think I left when the game released entirely.
I think prior to 2018 and the "Brave" datamine leak, I had kinda written off Dragon Quest on the virtue of it not being that popular overseas. Most of the previous third party guests we had gotten managed to be popular or at least well known in both the east and the west.
Obviously when "Brave" was found in the game's files, I knew it was a DQ character.
Obviously when "Brave" was found in the game's files, I knew it was a DQ character.
I wonder if it could have effects larger than Smash. Fire Emblem wasn't really the biggest Japanese strategy RPG series in Melee's time, even domestically. It became a more regularly releasing series around that time - but that's probably not just due to Smash either.
I don't think there's anything controversial with the suggestion that DLC sales largely trend downward after its initial release. That's the main reason characters like Terry and Byleth were slotted in the back half, and why characters like Joker and Hero were frontloaded, because it's assumed that the latter two were going to make the first impression of what kind of content Smash would be getting, and convince people that the pass is something worth investing in.
The observation doesn't exactly work the same with base roster content because pre-orders only trend upward toward the game's release (Comgnet rankings are usually a good example of this). That said, it's still blatantly obvious that characters like Ridley, K. Rool, and the Belmonts were brought out in the front half because they were convinced that those picks would've made a bigger impression early on. I'm not gonna say Isabelle is a "lesser" inclusion because by the metrics of sheer franchise status that's obviously not the case, but both her and Incineroar stemmed from franchises that were either recently included or already had ample representation that their presence was considered more of a formality in marketing. Nintendo's go-to headliner upon Smash Ultimate's reveal was Inkling, which in the context of Smash, mattered way more than the two aforementioned characters.
The observation doesn't exactly work the same with base roster content because pre-orders only trend upward toward the game's release (Comgnet rankings are usually a good example of this). That said, it's still blatantly obvious that characters like Ridley, K. Rool, and the Belmonts were brought out in the front half because they were convinced that those picks would've made a bigger impression early on. I'm not gonna say Isabelle is a "lesser" inclusion because by the metrics of sheer franchise status that's obviously not the case, but both her and Incineroar stemmed from franchises that were either recently included or already had ample representation that their presence was considered more of a formality in marketing. Nintendo's go-to headliner upon Smash Ultimate's reveal was Inkling, which in the context of Smash, mattered way more than the two aforementioned characters.
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Also it doesn't help that much when someone posted a picture of Kirby with Erdrick Shield. People went wild with that.
I'm reading this as a Lost Levels joke and tbqh who wouldn't want retro Super Mario Bros. USA Mario in Smash to complete the homage
I mean he'd basically be a Peach echo with one move but still
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I would say Brawl. Diddy Kong, Wario, Dedede, Ike and Olimar.
I guess last one was situational depends on which community you are from.
I remember some people denying Dragon Quest pretty much right up till Hero's reveal. How Brave could mean anything, no one in the west cared bout Dragon Quest, etc.
Are you gonna back this up with a source or just pull something out of thin air.
Olimar's a Miyamoto / EAD baby so that boosts his profile a lot in a certain sense.
The GBA had 3 games because they had some of the biggest amount of reused assets in the series. Even when Sacred Stones had an entirely new setting, the class designs, battle animations and general systems for most classes were still shared with Binding Blade.
That's definitely involved, but I'm wondering if Intelligent Systems may simply have prioritized things differently if Fire Emblem hadn't gained international exposure tied to other more established franchises. There's a bunch of activity happening for the series at that time so it's hard to say that one thing was the cause of everything.
Dragon Quest had a crossover with Mario;.. that was indication that Nintendo saw the IP with high regard enough to let them interact directly with their mascot, and even given them the license of the character. Same happened with Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games;
then Mario + Rabbids banailized the concept
then Mario + Rabbids banailized the concept
aren't you the fella that that likes SMT (aka Shit Megormless Tensuck)
Checks out
Gawd I hope this actual final boss of DQ11 isn't gonna be some super slog/operation grind, I feel like whenever I stumble across one of these act 3 sidebosses they fuck my shit up in record time.
This nubbins in a world of asset flips is like "beat this boss rematch in 30 turns, what's that 35? get outta here scrub!"
Either the ancient ruins or a mish mash if stages using the guild airships as transitions.
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Would they go with a Rise stage or something from an earlier game (World, 4, Generations, etc.)?
If they use the Rise hunters, they're gonna use a Rise stage.
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I hope that it's a stage from Monster Hunter World or something earlier but I wouldn't object if it's from Rise. I think it might be too soon for taking a stage out of brand new game that are coming out in couple of months. Unless it's the starter town which I'm perfectly fine with..
but would it make sense to using a town as a stage for Monster Hunter rather than iconic or popular location for Monster Hunting as a stage?
I could see one of the last characters being another Bayonetta or a character who's inclusion seemed a little wild even if they weren't a huge bombshell crowd pleaser of a character like Hero, Banjo, Steve, or Sephiroth. So maybe an indie rep or something like that or maybe a little safer like a Namco character. If there's any character that could surprise us for the rest of the Pass it would be DLC 11 as we're generally expecting one more Nintendo character and maybe Capcom or Namco character. I don't think it'll be another dump like Incineroar or Byleth
Then it'd be something else. I think it'll be the Rise hunters which is why I asked about Rise locations.
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Based on what? Just curious. I want to see how you draw the link to that logics?
The safest but also the wildest choice would be the Pac-Man Ghosts!
I kind of think that it won't really be a "Rise" specific Hunter even if they have a Wirebug for a move or two. It's probably going to be Rathalos armor in the default, and then other armors as alts. (Maybe a Rath male/female alt colors for both, and then two different sets of armors with alt colors for each of those, kind of like Hero).
Going by the Rise demo, you'd just sort of think it would be the Rise Demo stage. Maybe set in the waterfall section, or near the front of the camp with the dog rock. Could also be a traveling stage. If it's not Rise, I kind of think it might be Deserted Island from Tri, though there aren't that many great landmarks from there. Maybe it will just be one of the volcanic stages.
Going by the Rise demo, you'd just sort of think it would be the Rise Demo stage. Maybe set in the waterfall section, or near the front of the camp with the dog rock. Could also be a traveling stage. If it's not Rise, I kind of think it might be Deserted Island from Tri, though there aren't that many great landmarks from there. Maybe it will just be one of the volcanic stages.
They could go for something more present in many games and go for the Arena.
Or go for castle Schrade.
Or go for castle Schrade.
I'm going into every reveal at this point assuming it's going to be Cinderace. Not because I think that's necessarily going to happen but at this point all of my most wanted characters are in or are already confirmed to not be in so my expectations are extremely easy to shatter.
But again, Bayonetta got in quite literally because she won the Smash Ballot. It's why I don't really use her in any metric for speculation, because she's an outlier no matter how you slice it. Unless another Ballot happens, I don't see her circumstances being repeated. Likewise, given how many major indie characters got shafted, I'm not too sure about us getting an indie character in Ultimate.
So you think it's Rise Hunter or nothing for MH?
Because it's a Nintendo exclusive, MH is a valuable IP for Nintendo, and DQ had a similar result using Eleven as the default Hero.
By "something else" I meant some other Monster Hunter.
Better than most, but that's not saying much. Either way, they're far from a given.
Ah, noted
Jeez, do you just not like Monster Hunter or something? Either way, while it's not a 1:1 comparison, there are similarities in that they're both franchises that are big in Japan that Nintendo is actively pushing harder than most. And what does Iwata have to do with it?
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