If anything, they would've had to come back to the negotiation table. And I would imagine that MHR would be a solid reason to try to come to an agreement.
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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 18 | Smash? Gongaga
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Of course not, but we're talking about Ultimate. I'm just wondering why Capcom would be averse to including a playable Hunter in Ultimate when they had no problem including a playable Hunter in another fighting game at the exact same time. Capcom's heavy Monster Hunter restrictions were years before Ultimate, and the MvCI controversy was years later. I'm curious about the time in between -- the sweet spot of Ultimate's development.
" The hunter is sort of a malleable personality, rather than a super strong character in Monster Hunter since he's so customizable. "
Thinking about this quote, I figure there are ways to get around that?
For example, the Commander in Monster Hunter World is a clearly defined character. This despite the fact that he's strongly implied to be the avatar from Monster Hunter 1.
Thinking about this quote, I figure there are ways to get around that?
For example, the Commander in Monster Hunter World is a clearly defined character. This despite the fact that he's strongly implied to be the avatar from Monster Hunter 1.
I don't think it's that hard to believe something that we already knew was the case.
That legit? The only connection i remember hearing people make was that the excitable A-lister was some dude in MH4 or something
I think there's a decent argument to be made that MvCI may have been seen as the preferable "option" that they could be charitable towards at the time if only because it meant Capcom themselves would've had more control over how the character and world is depicted. Smash Ultimate is bigger, and we know Sakurai treats these franchises with utmost care, but we don't know how that translates to the higher ups' view. Things might be different now that we have Rathalos in Smash, it's possible they might soften up, but we'll just have to wait and see.
Wait, so Monster hunter is dead?
Dang. It was one of my most wanted.
Oh well. At least I can go back to supporting Amaterasu for smash.
Dang. It was one of my most wanted.
Oh well. At least I can go back to supporting Amaterasu for smash.
Between this and the Peach picture, im starting to suspect that Marth isn't Sakurai's favorite lord
Capcom All-Stars will simply include every playable darkstalkers character and also Amingo so you can pretend there's a new one
He's from "the First Fleet" (yours being the Fifth in MHW), and his design is basically the default character design from the character creation mode in the first game, but aged up.
Seems like Sakurai is leaning into the Sephiroth x Pichu memes
Maybe I'm being unclear, but all I'm saying is that the Hunter's inclusion in MvCI means that the Monster Hunter team was okay with the idea of a playable Hunter in a fighting game around the time that Ultimate was being planned. I would simply like to know what it was specifically about Smash that the Monster Hunter team took issue with. I'm not being coy or combative here -- I'm genuinely interested in hearing how the character advanced to the point of having a conceptualized move set before being scrapped.
It's only second/third hand speculation at best from insider knowledge. It's reasonable to think Monster Hunter's chances aren't as clear cut as they were before but there's absolutely nothing saying they're 100% hard locked out.
I don't really buy that speculation on Byleth being a scrapped MH. But I guess we'll see what happens in the end.
I will say that while Byleth is one of my favorite characters to play out of the DLC roster, their moveset isn't indicative of what they're like in game. Honestly, a more faithful moveset would be like Robin's, but with a whip sword. I feel Sakurai went they way he did with Byleth's moves in order to make sure they were deliberately different from other FE characters, not because they were trying to repurpose moves from a failed concept, especially if the concept was for a character they hadn't negotiated the rights to.
I will say that while Byleth is one of my favorite characters to play out of the DLC roster, their moveset isn't indicative of what they're like in game. Honestly, a more faithful moveset would be like Robin's, but with a whip sword. I feel Sakurai went they way he did with Byleth's moves in order to make sure they were deliberately different from other FE characters, not because they were trying to repurpose moves from a failed concept, especially if the concept was for a character they hadn't negotiated the rights to.
I follow a fella on the bird app who swears by him atleast
very good meme-man, very powerful
he didn't come in third place all those years for nothing!
Byleth isn't a scrapped [Character X]. They just took move concepts originally conceived for [Character X].
Don't forget Ruby Heart!
And SonSon III too cuz fuck it, I want her back!
I don't think you're coming across as combative either, I just don't think the specific points of doubt you raised as particularly strong. We know that the Monster Hunter team was historically averse to their characters being used certain ways, so we don't have any reason to think that they had to be burned in order to want to avoid Smash. They just need to be protective (which we know) and negotiations had to break down (which is always a possibility in the best of cases). It's the same attitude that I had to your point about the animations or moves not being distinctive to Monster Hunter; it doesn't really have to be.
Not going to fault anyone for not believing it, but I do think considering a lot of information that we have that a lot of points line up. It doesn't sound nearly as ridiculous as stuffing Byleth in as a last minute replacement for Tracer. Of course, plausibility isn't the same as proof, either.
I missed a huge part of the Monster Hunter turned into Byleth speculations... Where did this start ? As I understand we learned of a cancelled character ?
He knows !!!
He knows !!!
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 18 | Smash? Gongaga
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Well failed concept characters don't need to be developed/scrapped. And even then, it's easier to just explain Byleth's moveset as a combination of trying to distinctly not repeat concepts from existing FE characters and also represent the three main house lords in some way, as they're all popular and have distinct weapons in their own right. To that end, the only moves that would resemble a MH type move (at least as far as specials are concerned) are Failnaught (neutral bow special) and Aymr (Down axe special), and even then, it's unlikely Failnaught would be MH inspired given how simple its concept is. That just leaves Aymr, which isn't conceptually that far out there either, being similar to Kirby's side special. I really can't help but think that the rumor is just bogus even if it's not supposed to be MH is referencing.
min min added due to easiness of nintendo character additions? That's gotta sting for the waluigi fans :(
Byleth getting moves that were intended for a scrapped character and Byleth getting moves that fit them aren't mutually exclusive.
OH there's a SmashERA discord? Where can a guy get an invite?
And as Imran noted, moves and concepts for scrapped content getting rethought and repurposed for something else is nothing new.
A lot of Smash characters that exist today likely share DNA with characters that never left the concept or prototype stage.
A lot of Smash characters that exist today likely share DNA with characters that never left the concept or prototype stage.
Banjo and Kazooie fused together into a horrifying chimeric monstrosity?Pichu is old news, this is the new Sephiroth meme
Jeez long hair man really did bring Smash despairPichu is old news, this is the new Sephiroth meme
Pichu is old news, this is the new Sephiroth meme
This fucking owns.
btw i was checking smashboards and i see a lot of people referring to a chun li / lloyd leak. I assume this was discussed already, but I'm unable to find the source. Does anybody have it?
Mumbo Jumbo's gone too farPichu is old news, this is the new Sephiroth meme
Anyone else think that we are probably going to another first party charcter based on what Imran said about ease of getting them
But if it were the case that Byleth got scrapped move concepts, the only things that actually match a potential MH would be Aymr and Failnaught, both of which don't seem distinctly MH based at all.
And I don't think Byleth got moves that fit them. I think they got moves that tried to fit a concept that was to reprsent TH as a whole rather than just Byleth themself. One special for each of the main weapons was a conceit for that.
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