Absolutely stunningso when is this going to finally become an SNK stage thread
I might be more hype for the possible SNK stages/music than I am for any specific characters.
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Super Smash. Bros Ultimate DLC 4 partially leaked through Nintendo of Europe websites
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Well I'm heckin' pumpedI can't imagine how reinvigorating it must feel.
The company worked so hard to make their comeback story a reality. The dire straits they were in during the mid aughts was pretty tragic in how they had to fight the tide of 3D development and death of arcades. Multiple franchises running on borrowed time, the ballooning budgets and diminishing returns of working with crazy detailed sprite based games, you could just tell they were on borrowed time. Then Playmore decides that the future is pachinko, It felt like the death of a legend.
... Then the Japanese gambling law reforms happen, SNK Playmore is once again caught in a tight spot where they're unable to sustain themselves on the whales. Every chance at a potential exit running increasingly low until they get acquired by 37Games and decide to double back down on console games, finally getting with the times and abandoning sprite games. First it's KoFXIV, then comes a string of licensed ventures, continuation of mobile endeavors, re-releases of old games on platforms like Switch, SamSho with a god damn budget. And now this is all culminating with a Smash appearance.
That they've earned their keep and clawed themselves back from the depths of hell is an inspiring rarity. Actually, I take back what I said in that first sentence, don't call it a comeback.
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Feels good, man. I'm so happy for them finally getting their moment if SNK character actually got in. I just prefer to see the trailer first before celebration!
They fell down so hard but they did good job to bring themselves back in shape when they feel like to. It was pretty darkest era of SNK history way back before they decided to take their games more serious.
SNK when Nintendo came to them for a character:
Feels good, man. I'm so happy for them finally getting their moment if SNK character actually got in. I just prefer to see the trailer first before celebration!
I can't imagine how reinvigorating it must feel.
The company worked so hard to make their comeback story a reality. The dire straits they were in during the mid aughts was pretty tragic in how they had to fight the tide of 3D development and death of arcades. Multiple franchises running on borrowed time, the ballooning budgets and diminishing returns of working with crazy detailed sprite based games, you could just tell they were on borrowed time. Then Playmore decides that the future is pachinko, It felt like the death of a legend.
... Then the Japanese gambling law reforms happen, SNK Playmore is once again caught in a tight spot where they're unable to sustain themselves on the whales. Every chance at a potential exit running increasingly low until they get acquired by 37Games and decide to double back down on console games, finally getting with the times and abandoning sprite games. First it's KoFXIV, then comes a string of licensed ventures, continuation of mobile endeavors, re-releases of old games on platforms like Switch, SamSho with a god damn budget. And now this is all culminating with a Smash appearance.
That they've earned their keep and clawed themselves back from the depths of hell is an inspiring rarity. Actually, I take back what I said in that first sentence, don't call it a comeback.
They fell down so hard but they did good job to bring themselves back in shape when they feel like to. It was pretty darkest era of SNK history way back before they decided to take their games more serious.
Indeed. We'll happily ignore rumors from some rando with no evidence but you can't ignore something this clear cut from Nintendo
we love a comeback storyI can't imagine how reinvigorating it must feel.
The company worked so hard to make their comeback story a reality. The dire straits they were in during the mid aughts was pretty tragic in how they had to fight the tide of 3D development and death of arcades. Multiple franchises running on borrowed time, the ballooning budgets and diminishing returns of working with crazy detailed sprite based games, you could just tell they were on borrowed time. Then Playmore decides that the future is pachinko, It felt like the death of a legend.
... Then the Japanese gambling law reforms happen, SNK Playmore is once again caught in a tight spot where they're unable to sustain themselves on the whales. Every chance at a potential exit running increasingly low until they get acquired by 37Games and decide to double back down on console games, finally getting with the times and abandoning sprite games. First it's KoFXIV, then comes a string of licensed ventures, continuation of mobile endeavors, re-releases of old games on platforms like Switch, SamSho with a god damn budget. And now this is all culminating with a Smash appearance.
That they've earned their keep and clawed themselves back from the depths of hell is an inspiring rarity. Actually, I take back what I said in that first sentence, don't call it a comeback.
As much as I love her and think she'd be a great addition, I just can't see any female fighting game character getting in before Chun-Li.
Gotta say, the main characters of King of Fighters look awfully dull, but a Metal Slug character could be interested. Bowser Jr.-style, with several different drivers to choose between
Ehh, you're speaking with a lot of confidence, but it sounds more like you've never worked with a CMS system before. It's very possible that someone pasted the wrong information in the wrong field. This kind of human-error is a lot more common than it might seem.
Maybe it's legit, maybe it's not, but saying "the more logical explanation" to something that isn't more logical at all is a mediocre excuse tbh
Well if you think of Ken as more of an echo than anything it's more like 2 1/2 reps, but yeah she should have been in before Ken.
I love the idea that female reps have to form some sort of queue to get in, but male reps can just barge their way in willy-nilly. Following this logic Joker wouldn't have been allowed in before Hero.
I completely agree with you, it's ridiculous how unaware Sakurai seems to be in regards to the lack of female representation. But he doesn't seem too woke in that regard, he'd rather give an unearned spot to a character like Joker than think "oh maybe I should have some diversity in my game". As a gay man I already have my issues with him pushing problematic shit like Persona and DQ music into a series I love, but Sakurai is just another straight dude who has no reason to think about things like that.
Not going to say SNK doesn't deserve a character but as a huge Tekken fan it feels bad to get all these fighting game characters before a Tekken one, and since we probably won't get another FG character, I hope the last one is actually Jill.
But the series that killed Tekken's chances isn't from SNK, but fellow Bamco series The iDOLM@STER.
Neo Turf Masters' absence on the Neo Geo mini was a crime. I still can't believe it.
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I mean, I think the female rep problem is more of a symptom of a broader problem in the industry
Exactly. I'm not thrilled about an SNK character myself but that's completely fine. Expecting all 5 Fighter's Pass characters to appeal to your taste was a ridiculous expectation to begin with. That was always unlikely. Let other people have their fun.
And besides, the Fighter's Pass isn't done yet. Who knows, maybe Fighter #5 is your dream character. Judging by the rest of the pass, if there's one thing these choices are is that they're hard to predict.
Yep. And I don't think Sakurai should get a pass. I don't think he gets called out enough for his apathetic attitude towards these things.
Insane how evidence towards a new character reveal leads to a thread with this number of pages and posts. Only with Smash Bros. lol.
But seriously, the Fighters Pass is really bringing with it some incredible representation.
You cannot ignore the uniqueness of these inclusions with Persona 5, Dragon Quest, Banjo-Kazooie and now an SNK rep. The 5th fighter announcement will definitely be interesting if this pattern continues.
Edit: While on the topic, only Banjo-Kazooie has really got me excited so far (and in general was the happiest I had been with a reveal since, especially, Sonic in Brawl and Ridley in Ultimate). But I appreciate that other characters will be more exciting for different audiences.
But seriously, the Fighters Pass is really bringing with it some incredible representation.
You cannot ignore the uniqueness of these inclusions with Persona 5, Dragon Quest, Banjo-Kazooie and now an SNK rep. The 5th fighter announcement will definitely be interesting if this pattern continues.
Edit: While on the topic, only Banjo-Kazooie has really got me excited so far (and in general was the happiest I had been with a reveal since, especially, Sonic in Brawl and Ridley in Ultimate). But I appreciate that other characters will be more exciting for different audiences.
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"Unearned?" Please.
And what pray tell do you think he should have done?
Based on your username I don't think you're capable of having an objective discussion about this.
Why would they bar themselves from including a female SNK character just because Chun-Li isn't in the game?
This only sweeps potential solutions under the rug. It's not like they're out of options.
If it had to be a main SNK rep, I'd sooner have Terry or Iori over Kyo, but Kyo makes the most sense.
I've always hated Nakoruru, and I'm baffled as to why she is so popular, so her being in would do nothing for me.
The Metal Slug gang (maybe even Ralf, Clark and Leona too) would be my go to picks. Tarma would make a great training dummy.
I've always hated Nakoruru, and I'm baffled as to why she is so popular, so her being in would do nothing for me.
The Metal Slug gang (maybe even Ralf, Clark and Leona too) would be my go to picks. Tarma would make a great training dummy.
The Hero and Joker pages have their copyrights by themselves. It's very likely legit and an early leak.
If you're not going to give someone answers to your opinions, then give them to me, otherwise you're just arguing in bad faith.
Push for more female reps in the pass. With Banjo and Kazooie repping both as the mid point, they could have had two packs with male reps and two packs with female reps for equal representation.
Out of all of them, I hope it's Nakoruru. I first played Samurai Showdown from the SNK collection from humble bundle over a year ago, and she was my favorite character there.
I honestly had no idea she was popular until this thread though. Gives her a good chance then!
I honestly had no idea she was popular until this thread though. Gives her a good chance then!
I get the impression if someone told Sakurai "hey, we should add more women to the game," he'd be like "oh, yeah, sure" and come up with some ideas, but he's not going to be the one driving that idea and he's going to gravitate to a combination of the most popular series/characters and whatever else tickles his fancy... which just happen to end up being male characters.
I'm basically 99% sure this SNK character will be either Terry or Kyo, and maybe fighter 5 will add a female character, but I'm not holding my breath. It's definitely a legitimate complaint if Kazooie is the only female character on the Pass, and I love Kazooie, and she's great, but yeah, it's not the same as a fully independent character.
I think it would be nice if there was a feedback form you could leave on the Fighters Pass after it's done. I'd definitely mention the lack of female characters, assuming #5 isn't one... but that's basically an informal Smash Ballot and Sakurai has said he doesn't want to do that again.
It's a tough spot and the most glaring issue on the Fighters Pass so far. Maybe we'll get a female character... maybe not. I would wager most people who want to buy the Fighters Pass have by now, so Nintendo's already got their money anyway.
I'm basically 99% sure this SNK character will be either Terry or Kyo, and maybe fighter 5 will add a female character, but I'm not holding my breath. It's definitely a legitimate complaint if Kazooie is the only female character on the Pass, and I love Kazooie, and she's great, but yeah, it's not the same as a fully independent character.
I think it would be nice if there was a feedback form you could leave on the Fighters Pass after it's done. I'd definitely mention the lack of female characters, assuming #5 isn't one... but that's basically an informal Smash Ballot and Sakurai has said he doesn't want to do that again.
It's a tough spot and the most glaring issue on the Fighters Pass so far. Maybe we'll get a female character... maybe not. I would wager most people who want to buy the Fighters Pass have by now, so Nintendo's already got their money anyway.
Typically, games and series in Smash are represented by a lead protagonist, with popular supporting characters coming afterward. SNK's most likely lead protagonists are Athena, the God Slayer from Crystalis, Marco, Terry, Ryo, Haohmaru, Kyo, and Rock. I'm leaning on Kyo.
I'm wondering if the character could actually be a team of three KOF characters, like Pokemon Trainer? The Japan Team of Kyo/Benimaru/Goro, or the Sacred Treasures team of Kyo/Iori/Chizuru, or the protagonist team of Kyo/Terry/Ryo?
I'm wondering if the character could actually be a team of three KOF characters, like Pokemon Trainer? The Japan Team of Kyo/Benimaru/Goro, or the Sacred Treasures team of Kyo/Iori/Chizuru, or the protagonist team of Kyo/Terry/Ryo?
If it was going to be a character from one of their fighting games I'd want it to be King even though she'd be well down the back of the line on that front. Smash needs more big futch energy
People, the correct choice is Athena and the trailer will feature the song "Psycho Soldier"—it will be gaming's greatest moment.
Psycho Soldier is going to play in her Final Smash. It'll rule
The English version, right?
Sakurai does really have a tendency to do the most interesting stuff at the beggining and middle of the showings, then leave the most meh stuff as end surprises who knows the fuck why, so this wouldnt surprise me.
Terry Bogard or Mai would be boring as fucking hell, so at least I hope is the Metal Slug cast. That at least, would be incredibly fun. And i dont mean only one character from metal slug. Just do like hero and do everyone.
The music, the stage in 3d, put the dicatator and his troops... that would be fucking great. This are characters that 99% of thw time are pixelart, so seeing them in all the 3d cartoon modelling of smash splendeour would be amazing.
Im sure is sadly terry or mai (something tells me is mai because theres hasnt been a female character in the dlc apart from kazooie and that comes im a pack). Thank god i did the wise thing and didnt bought the season pass. Thats for sure.
Terry Bogard or Mai would be boring as fucking hell, so at least I hope is the Metal Slug cast. That at least, would be incredibly fun. And i dont mean only one character from metal slug. Just do like hero and do everyone.
The music, the stage in 3d, put the dicatator and his troops... that would be fucking great. This are characters that 99% of thw time are pixelart, so seeing them in all the 3d cartoon modelling of smash splendeour would be amazing.
Im sure is sadly terry or mai (something tells me is mai because theres hasnt been a female character in the dlc apart from kazooie and that comes im a pack). Thank god i did the wise thing and didnt bought the season pass. Thats for sure.
Amen!
Team Athena!
Edit: As much as I love hearing that version in-game, the Japanese version is clearly the superior version. Mega64 all the way!
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Jesus Christ man. Dragon Quest and fucking SNK. And you think that fucking Banjo is more deserving that those. Dragon fucking Quest the father of JRPG and fucking SNK, if it wasn't for that company you wouldn't even play Smash, jesus.
Yeah you know, loooong looooooong time ago, in that old forgotten year of 2018.
A team would be really cool.
I can't remember the specific team name, but Kyo/Iori/Shingo from XI would be cool.