No... I honestly do not, sorryPlease don't be obtuse. You know damn well what I mean. I'm so tired
No... I honestly do not, sorryPlease don't be obtuse. You know damn well what I mean. I'm so tired
Then don't reply to me
Please don't be obtuse. You know damn well what I mean. I'm so tired
You're the one that has repeatedly said "low-effort", which comes across as "lazy dev" rhetoric.
Your statement that another SNK rep could've gotten in just because others were crossovers in other games is just ludicrous. Sakurai clearly goes for the most iconic characters that will make the most amount of people happy, as evident by every single character selection over the last 20 years of the franchise. Putting in some other lesser known character just for the sake of checkmarking a box for diversity is how to confuse and disappoint a lot of people. What you should be crusading against is the game industry's history itself.
Then don't bother to post if you don't want people calling you on your dumb takes.
Also this.Nobody actually knows what you mean because your post deliberately ignored characters that didn't fit whatever your definition is of "unique." In what way are characters like King K. Rool and Ridley a "main dude" or "soulless avatar?"
How about you don't make posts that are so vague that people don't know what you're trying to say?
Do people really not understand how eye-rolling it is to say this game is not diverse enough when there's so much variety in characters? It just doesn't have gender/racial parity which might be bad in real-life, but this is a videogame full of non-humans.
I want more female characters, the avatars that have female versions and the dog with a skirt don't count... no matter how you look at it, Smash needs more female characters. It's pretty clear to meNobody actually knows what you mean because your post deliberately ignored characters that didn't fit whatever your definition is of "unique." In what way are characters like King K. Rool and Ridley a "main dude" or "soulless avatar?"
what do you mean?Please don't be obtuse. You know damn well what I mean. I'm so tired
Just because I didn't outright SAY it, doesn't mean I wasn't thinking it.None of what you argued has made a comparable point to Regulus Tera, who is correct in saying that Terry was great for SA gamers. All I've seen you say is that it doesn't matter if a female character is wholly original or not (assuming I read your posts correctly).
So the male inhuman characters don't count either then, right?
Count towards what? You seriously don't think the game needs more female characters? ByeSo the male inhuman characters don't count either then, right?
Then ridley and k.rool don't count as males.I want more female characters, the avatars that have female versions and the dog with a skirt don't count... no matter how you look at it, Smash needs more female characters. It's pretty clear to me
Count towards what? You seriously don't think the game needs more female characters? Bye
I believe Odyssey put a wrench into the canon that Mario was ever human.That's actually an interesting question. Fully unique characters who are human (disregarding gender alts)
Mario
that's more of a "low brow" inclusionSakurai and co even added a canon female pikachu in Smash in pikachu libre, but I guess you forgot about that, or it's another "low effort" inclusion. If they had confirmed Fatal Cutie version of Terry that would probably have been a "low effort" inclusion as well.
Not sure how you got that impression. My point is it's silly to act like female characters "don't count" when a large portion of Nintendo characters are not standard-looking humanoids. Isabelle is one of Nintendo's most popular female characters, acting like she doesn't count but characters like K. Rool and Ridley count as male characters is BS.
Smash needs more female characters
Ok, the dog counts.Not sure how you got that impression. My point is it's silly to act like female characters "don't count" when a large portion of Nintendo characters are not standard-looking humanoids. Isabelle is one of Nintendo's most popular female characters, acting like she doesn't count but characters like K. Rool and Ridley count as male characters is BS.
I believe Odyssey put a wrench into the canon that Mario was ever human.
I'll take humanoid though.
"Relatively low effort" vs "low effort" is still essentially "lazy dev" rhetoric, and all you did was prove my point. Instead of being happy that Sakurai and co decided to spend the time to add a female version of a previously male only character, it's a "relatively low effort/lazy dev" inclusion.
Sakurai and co even added a canon female pikachu in Smash in pikachu libre, but I guess you forgot about that, or it's another "low effort" inclusion. If they had confirmed Fatal Cutie version of Terry that would probably have been a "low effort" inclusion as well.
"Skyward Sword...not specifically popular or notable otherwise"
Mario is humanI believe Odyssey put a wrench into the canon that Mario was ever human.
I'll take humanoid though.
Mario is human
it's the residents of New Donk City who are not
Maybe they were part of the backlash against Isabelle when she was announced for being a "safe, lazy" choice. Before Terry was announced she was probably the character who had received the most back lash during all of the smash ultimate release cycle.
I hope Fighters Pass 2 adds a free character like Piranha Plant too. Would be the perfect chance to add Dixie.
"Skyward Sword...not specifically popular or notable otherwise"
Man, you're up in this thread just spewin' mad bullshit about SS.
Nah, it "aIn'T aBoUt tHe sAmE".
OoT Impa is a living mcguffin; she mostly exists to let you know that you've beaten the shadow dungeon. Link has, like, two notable conversations with her and those only last a minute or so.
SS's Impa (in addition to having the best design out of all of them) is a major character with actual depth who appears multiple times throughout the story and ends up settling into a surprising "Two Aliases, One Character" role. She's a rival/critic of Link, a guardian/teacher to Zelda, a grandmother figure to Groose, and a threat to Demise/Ghirihim. Makes sense to me why LoZ fans would want that particular incarnation represented.
Ness made it but not Lucas. Poor kid.Considering Ness is on that list I now want to see a realistic human version of Ness.
Ness made it but not Lucas. Poor kid.
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Anyway, having more female and PoC characters would be nice. There's a lot of competition for those "slots" though. Framing specific wants like female humanoid default and being disappointed when it doesn't happen is a road to disappointment though. Not to say you shouldn't feel disappointed, I bet Geno, Goku or Sora fans are bound to feel letdown by the end of all this, but it's gotten to be more and more specific from the pool of candidates to pull from. Like asking only for a Chun Li or Jill.
Yeah, I get that it's for the sake of more female character parity but framing one's personal priorities as the ideal character choice priority is maybe the leading cause of Smash character selection arguments. There's a lot of variables in play.
shes arguably one of the most important figures in the game though...It's great that you're a fan, but SS isn't exactly well-regarded among 3D Zeldas. It sold about 3.67 million, which is really low for a 3D Zelda game.
As far as Impa goes, she's still a minor character in SS. You don't play as her. The plot doesn't revolve around her. And she's about as much an inspiration to Zelda as she was in OoT.
shes arguably one of the most important figures in the game though...
I've been looking at the roster recently, and with the addition of Terry, it really makes me realize how terrible the roster is when it comes to diversity.
On top of that, just how many white males are on the roster, and then how many of them have blue eyes or blonde hair.
Does anybody else find this a bit....problamatic? It's one of the biggest games in the world and it doesnt have a single person of color in the cast whilst having plenty of white/white-passing fighters.
It's not about "would", it's about "should".It's weird.
Skull Kid, Midna, and Ghirahim- iconic and highly popular LoZ favs who happen to be major characters in their games- have only been able to make it in as mere assist trophies. At the most Urbosa is a minor character on the level of someone like Saria or Princess Ruto who only appears in, like, three cutscenes of a 50+ hour game...why anyone thinks Sakurai would ever look her way is beyond me.
I think part of that may be because interacting with Impa the most in SS is actually a plot twist. Interaction with the wispy ninja version is on par with OoT.I barely remember Impa in SS. But then, I barely remember SS at all. It's one of the lesser Zelda games by a significant degree.
That is how I always answer these threads.
Read this list of black characters on Wikipedia and tell me how many make any sense being in Smash.
The female pokemon trainer was introduced as "oh hey we added a girl version to this male character from 10 years ago." I mean shit, Pokemon didn't let you play as a girl until a few games into it. There aren't a lot of female characters to begin with, but consider how many are based off of or tied to male characters:You realize that pokemon trainer isn't based off the male, right? She's based off the concept of being a pokemon trainer! Don't even try that argument with me.
EDIT: In fact, In that case, Dark samus shouldn't be allowed to be on her list in that case. Or inkling. Or literally any female character other than samus, because samus is the one that showed that you could HAVE a strong female character.Which means they were all based on her, therefore, they aren't valid. Do you see now how flawed this logic is?
Ness made it but not Lucas. Poor kid.
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Anyway, having more female and PoC characters would be nice. There's a lot of competition for those "slots" though. Framing specific wants like female humanoid default and being disappointed when it doesn't happen is a road to disappointment though. Not to say you shouldn't feel disappointed, I bet Geno, Goku or Sora fans are bound to feel letdown by the end of all this, but it's gotten to be more and more specific from the pool of candidates to pull from. Like asking only for a Chun Li or Jill.
Yeah, I get that it's for the sake of more female character parity but framing one's personal priorities as the ideal character choice priority is maybe the leading cause of Smash character selection arguments. There's a lot of variables in play.
Who?
Okay, do I even need to point out why this is an absurd suggestion? Because it should be pretty obvious.
That'd be pretty insane since the one agreed rule this far is that the character has to originate in video games.
Heh. I don't disagree.Goku fans will be let down forever if they think he will get into Smash