Anyone have any idea what happens when you take a clear pipe that extends beyond the screen in auto-scrolling stages? Not sure if it kills you or moves the screen.
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Super Mario Maker 2 Hype Check (Launch trailer released)
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Skipsqueaks not triggering things kiiiiiiiiinda bothers me.
GOD DAMMIT no restart at checkpoint and no change in Keydeath. Seriously, what the fuck Nintendo?!
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I'm so ready to be punished by the community's insane levels. I'm not planning on making many courses, but I absolutely love hard levels with SMW physics.
It's answered in the video posted literally right after your comment haha
Just tested on the above video. It bounces you back the other way and if you can't go out either way you die.
I can not express how much key death and restart at checkpoint bother me. These two things have probably been the most requested and complained about issues since they were patched in to SMM1.
Awesome! I get the feeling that this will be even more needed in Mario Maker 2 than Mario Maker 1. lol
Something that was said about Endless mode that I heard and I didn't much think of was that you never win endless, you only lose it. This kind of struck me as something very un-Nintendo like. Basically the only end is losing.
It doesn't bother me, but seems like something Nintendo would disagree with fundamentally.
It doesn't bother me, but seems like something Nintendo would disagree with fundamentally.
This is true of any sort of arcade-style endless survival mode where the positive reward at the end of it is a new record or a high score. There is even a recent Nintendo precedent in the endless survival mode in Arms (Arms Test) that apparently nobody but me played.
On another note: one thing I haven't seen covered in any of the preview content—understandably so, when everybody's attention is on the new course elements—is the control that creators have over their uploads. We've seen in videos and screenshots that there is a game-wide universal option to enable/disable comments, but can this be done course by course? Can you allow end-of-level comments but not mid-level comments? Can you moderate/delete individual comments in-game (something that used be done via Miiverse) to remove things like untagged spoilers? Can you edit the course description line or tags/categories after a level has already been uploaded (for instance, to provide a level code for an updated version)? These are all things I hope to see answered before I make my first upload.
I'm not saying it's unheard of or even weird. It just seems to go against Nintendo philosophy. Even in SMM1 there was the princess to save or you got to the end. You won in some way. Not winning at the end of something just seems like a weird decision for Nintendo.
You could barely get me to admit Arms exists.
After thinking about it, I'm sure it's the same, but it doesn't actually answer the real question. Saving you having the key was a little less expected. The bigger question is if you get one coin, go through the checkpoint and then get another coin and the key and then die before hitting another checkpoint does it save the one key or start all over. This is the main thing that has never made sense and been a big issue.
Almost answers the scenario I had in my mind. I don't actually know if Mario can go higher than the screen in vertical scrolling like in the base games, and if he'd bounce inside the pipe or not.
Been mulling over trying to re-create the 3D World finale to get to grips on the new theme, and the stupidly tall clear pipe with Bowser multiplying would be a fun thing to get in there if feasible. Really bummed that the 3D World boss music just loops endlessly on the first segment instead of transitioning to the second phase of the fight, though. :(
This is the real problem, and that kind of level structure (coins, checkpoint, more coins, key door) is actually the reason that "if you've collected the key, just respawn at the checkpoint with the key" is an inelegant solution.
As a player it seems intuitive to me that if you grab four coins, hit the checkpoint, grab another six coins (and therefore the key), and then die, you should respawn with four coins, not zero. The problem is that this conflicts with the upload validation process (clear from every checkpoint), which presumes you are starting from zero—and that's probably why we haven't seen this fixed. (Simply respawning with the key would also create problems because then you can just take an intentional death as you grab the last coin, which breaks certain designs.)
While the video above didn't test this scenario, the fact that all the coins were reset is probably an indication that things still work the way they did in SMM1. We have some established (if imperfect) workarounds like safety coins, at least, but it's one of those things that has always felt clunky for everyone, and the safety coin system only makes sense to players familiar enough with Mario Maker to understand why it's there and why a trivial coin by the door should be saved for last.
[Edit: GameXplain tested this form of key death as well (coin -> checkpoint -> coin) and has confirmed in this Reddit thread that it works like it does in SMM1.]
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It's not the most elegant training tool, but I've seen people who've put the safety coin and key door behind a one way with a spike. That way someone who doesn't understand how the mechanic works won't get soft locked
How necessary is a stylus for this game? Would I be okay with just my fingers or is the stylus the much better method? I'll be playing in handheld almost exclusively.
Goddamn it. I had an entire level planned around Skipsqueaks hitting switches for you and now I cant make it.
Patch this shit in Nintendo.
Skipsqueaks not triggering things is such a bummer, there's still ways to do it but it'll be way more cumbersome and I can't believe that checkpoints and keys are still broken. I hope that Nintendo keeps listening beyond the online multiplayer stuff and fixes that, the whole safety key thing was such a pain to build around in Mario Maker 1. In an ideal world checkpoints would default to keeping your keys/keycoins but would give makers the option to have them not be kept. At least then makers would only need to hide a dev key somewhere to solve the "play the level from the checkpoint" thing
No you need to ping Nintendo's servers to get access to it
I believe it has to connect online to unlock it. But, it's probably unlocking at 9 PM PST Thursday if you can just pop it online real quick.
Can someone explain Skipsqueaks and keydeath to me? Or the pipe stacking? What does this even mean?
I loved SMM but I never got so deep into the community, meta, or building to understand.
I loved SMM but I never got so deep into the community, meta, or building to understand.
Skipsqueak — New enemy introduced in 3DW and coming in with the 3DW style. It jumps when Mario jumps, so as soon as they were spotted in the trailers, people started imagining how to use them for remotely triggering switches (for example, in "don't jump" puzzles). Now it looks like you can't do that as we hoped.
Key death — Usually, when you pick up X pink coins, hit a checkpoint, then die, you respawn at the checkpoint with X pink coins. But if you pick up X pink coins, hit a checkpoint, pick up all the remaining pink coins (which then transform into a key), then die, you respawn at the checkpoint with zero pink coins. This breaks a lot of locked-door designs and most players consider it a bug. In SMM2 it has not been fixed.
Pipe stacking — In SMM1 you can place up to five pipes on top of each other. This has many, many uses: you can use them to create one-way pipes, many-to-one warp pipes (multiple entrances that all send you to the same exit), pipes that seem to spawn multiple enemy/item types at once, and more. Aesthetically, intersecting pipes were also the cleanest-looking way to recreate classic elements like the SMB1-style underground entrances or SMB3-style pipe mazes, because the bottoms of the individual pipe segments would be easier to disguise. This is not returning in SMM2, which will make it harder or clunkier to do all these things, including things that were already being done all over the place in classic Mario.
I believe its 1080p up until the Mario 3D world theme comes into play. Then its down to 900p docked. At least based on Digital Foundary's video
Thanks for explaining. Key Death sounds like a definite bug.
What's the point of taking away the ability to cover the starting arrow?
The protected 7x3 square at the start now serves as a multiplayer starting zone, since you now potentially have four colliding players in the box, not just Mario at a fixed location every time. In multiplayer, the players jostle with each other in the box for the starting countdown.
It's unfortunate for one-screen puzzles, reset doors, and aesthetic considerations, but I won't miss elements like springs that trigger as soon as you load into a stage. (Not that a 3-tile-high protected zone will do much about springs or Thwomps in the starting area.)
Come to think of it, since online multiplayer has a starting countdown, it's actually unclear to me whether stage elements like moving parts and falling objects activate right away when the players load in, or only the countdown hits zero.
Which seems so weird, considering 3D World was 720p on a weaker system and while rendering a fully 3D environment.
The cranium of a Skipsqueak is too soft to apply adequate pressure needed to activate a block. You fall asleep in class?
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I think it's because of multiplayer. In multiplayer people don't all spawn in one spot, they spawn in a line behind the first guy.
not so weird when you consider Mario Maker 3D world is a very different beast. It has to be able to render quite a lot of elements at the same time depending on some creations.
All those people expecting a sixth style to unlock will get disappointed very soon.
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Ah, gotcha. Yeah I'm sure they'll save that for DLC and I'm totally fine with it.
Ground tiles and solid blocks and a combination of those two work.
Ice blocks do not seem to work.
Not much is known beyond that, I think.
