Sounds like a separate campaign with her as the main character, but maybe they'll clarify.
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People are speculating that the new hidden goals are farming and duels which sound like a lot of fun.
Given that it's DLC and that Marisa is a main character (going by marketing), I imagine it's a prequel (or maybe even sequel?) campaign featuring her (and ofc Pooby)
A Harvest Moon component would be interesting. If they tied it into the cooking system...
This is so awesome. I'm in love with Marisa's design. Another story? Heck yeah!
Nice! Best kind of DLC I think, and a great match for this kind of game, giving a chance to better develop part of the huge cast. Almost like the trinity sight system...
Did they announce who the 5 figurines that you can add to you order are? Think I only saw the 2 main characters?
Yes it's on the DLC section of the KS. Also they mention the Marisa DLC being Free for backers in the section after the Stretch Goal banner.
Yes it's on the DLC section of the KS. Also they mention the Marisa DLC being Free for backers in the section after the Stretch Goal banner.
Duh, I guess I just kept skimming over it. That's a my bad.
Thanks!
If they are going to include everyone that backs the game, that is how they will have to do it.
I don't particularly mind, because Kickstarters are just marketing after all, but it's become ridiculously clear that these "stretch goals" aren't stretch goals at all.
Like, early on, I could have believed that the extra $250k lets them port the game to console or the extra $50k can be directly allocated to a contractor translating the game into Korean.
But now there is virtually NO CHANCE that an extra $25k in funds suddenly allows them to produced voiced cutscenes they couldn't produce before. The team is either engaging in the "stretch goal creep" they so very clearly recognized was a trap for other Kickstarters, where more money doesn't suddenly just free up the time and design resources needed to carefully integrate a full-on flag designer system, racing system, monster raising system, or they clearly had plans to introduce that stuff all along and these tiny incremental goals are just a way to move the KS campaign along.
If a monster-raising minigame were really, truly a "stretch goal" only unlocked with additional funds directly allocated to its creation, it would need a heck of a lot more than $25k.
Like, early on, I could have believed that the extra $250k lets them port the game to console or the extra $50k can be directly allocated to a contractor translating the game into Korean.
But now there is virtually NO CHANCE that an extra $25k in funds suddenly allows them to produced voiced cutscenes they couldn't produce before. The team is either engaging in the "stretch goal creep" they so very clearly recognized was a trap for other Kickstarters, where more money doesn't suddenly just free up the time and design resources needed to carefully integrate a full-on flag designer system, racing system, monster raising system, or they clearly had plans to introduce that stuff all along and these tiny incremental goals are just a way to move the KS campaign along.
If a monster-raising minigame were really, truly a "stretch goal" only unlocked with additional funds directly allocated to its creation, it would need a heck of a lot more than $25k.
Bolded is my take.
I think it's smart. New characters or staples to the Suikoden series (such as castle building, fishing, etc) were clearly part of the plans, but by incrementally including these as the funding increases is a natural way to keep users engaged.
$3,000,000 is nothing in terms of funding a game so I'd much rather have smaller realistic goals that have been planned ahead than pinning specific outcomes on funding. That should be especially clear as consoles were "unlocked" at a much earlier funding level, so it's likely that was in the plans but it's a good early goal to help get increase early momentum.
We just got Flag Design. We're officially in the Pink Zone for stretch goals!! Next up is the first DLC!!
Stretch goals aren't ACTUALLY funded by the amount of money between each goal. They're a way of getting more funding so that you can reach a point where you're reasonably certain that a feature you wanted to be put in the game is now within the budget to do so, not because you raised the entirety of funds from the goal but because you're total amount of money raised supports it.
Also, most crowdfunded games are not actually funded by the crowdfunds. It's a way of showing publishers that people are interested and will buy this game if it's released while also getting additional funds to bolster the project.
Yes that is literally how all stretch goals work, dude.
Stretch goals aren't ACTUALLY funded by the amount of money between each goal. They're a way of getting more funding so that you can reach a point where you're reasonably certain that a feature you wanted to be put in the game is now within the budget to do so, not because you raised the entirety of funds from the goal but because you're total amount of money raised supports it.
Also, most crowdfunded games are not actually funded by the crowdfunds. It's a way of showing publishers that people are interested and will buy this game if it's released while also getting additional funds to bolster the project.
I've seen polls that take place during the campaign in relation to stretch goals. So it's really a case by case basis.
About 15 hours. However the minigames will add an additional 85 hours. You'll be highly incentivized(forced) to complete them for game completion. :-)
/s idk
Did they ever tell how many characters in the end?
I know we're already at 109th, but how many more exactly?
I'm afraid it'll be too much... : /
I know we're already at 109th, but how many more exactly?
I'm afraid it'll be too much... : /
Think it'll be fine Suikoden 2 had like 115 characters in total, right? Just not everyone was recruitable in the same playtrough and some were not stars of destiny.
Besides I get the feeling there won't that many more stretch goals since they keep increase the cost of each stretch goal compared to the past few weeks.
I think the reason why they are increasing the cost of the stretch goals is to line up with the expected increasing pledge amounts that usually occur during the final days of a funding campaign.
During the lull the game was getting barely more than 25K to 35K per day, and within the last two days it jumped to like 50K per day, so it seems like it's steadily starting to creep towards the the moderate to large bump that typically occurs during the final days of a KS campaign.
During the lull the game was getting barely more than 25K to 35K per day, and within the last two days it jumped to like 50K per day, so it seems like it's steadily starting to creep towards the the moderate to large bump that typically occurs during the final days of a KS campaign.
You shouldn't believe that either, it costs much more than that to port the game to multiple consoles and much more as well to translate it in a single language, implement the translation, review it, check if it doesn't break anything and so on.
Everything above regarding stretch goals is correct and has been since the beginning of successful KS campains with stretch goals
This is common in all kickstarters. Often stretch goals are just devs pitching their ideas to see reception.
Many times it would even been in the game in first place, but after you hit the target you need to have stretch goals to continue to gather continuous interest and if you just throw things that weren't planned in the first place the game easily becomes bloated
And we have to remember that often Kickstarter is used to appeal to publishers. They even said that when we hit 2 million it was a major milestone cause it facilitated a great deal. So the more successful campaign = more money from other sources. This helps the stretch goals being way smaller than their actual cost
whenever we start discussing stretch goals i always think back to the days of double fine adventure, which became broken age. as far as i know, it was the first big game kickstarter that started this trend and they really seemed to have a tiger by the tail. they asked for a few hundred thousand and raise a few million. i dont think anyone had ever done that before so the campaign was very improvisational. we also got a game and documentary on makign the game for like $15. now campaigns are a lot better organized with tiers that do price discrimination better and stretch goals to keep interest high. just been interesting to watch how much more professional they have gotten since those early days.
Generally speaking, those costs (250K for console ports and 50K for localization into one language) seem pretty reasonable to me. Certainly not under-estimating the costs although the localization fee is tricky because I have no idea how many words they are translating.
A real life deck-building CCG that you play with all of your hands, obviously.
Like Suikoden Card Stories.
In suikoden 1 and 2 almost every npc says something and conversations are plenty. I would guess there will be a lot of text in the game.
Yeah when I did my last post it was at 3.26M but then it dropped by a lot as after like 9 hours later it was at 3.21M
I'm horrible at just picking one. I want them all. Dead Lord and Skeleton King are both edgy enough for me to put on the main team assuming this isn't a late game recruit.
I kind of wish they'd all make it in as like rulers of their own territories fighting their own wars in the background and we just recruit whichever one we side with. Possibly the least evil or whatever.
I thought he reminded me of someone. Turns out he reminds me of the babe...
Can someone post links to the various designs? I only see vampire A on twitter.
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Found them:
A: https://twitter.com/eiyudenchronicl/status/1295400862630592513
B: https://www.instagram.com/p/CEBio2TliJ5/
C: https://www.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/icjg1w/backer_vote_design_c_skeleton_king/
D: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=124249489382385&id=102663294874338
D is just the night king lol. He's my favorite.
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Found them:
A: https://twitter.com/eiyudenchronicl/status/1295400862630592513
B: https://www.instagram.com/p/CEBio2TliJ5/
C: https://www.reddit.com/r/EiyudenChronicle/comments/icjg1w/backer_vote_design_c_skeleton_king/
D: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=124249489382385&id=102663294874338
D is just the night king lol. He's my favorite.
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awesome updates, the vinyls a double lp now! also upped my pledge for the steelbook, wife has upped hers for the cloth map.