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Sucker Punch claims they're fans of Samurai cinema, yet it seems they have never watched a subtitled movie in their entire lives
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Any cinematic is timed and dialogue has triggers either by the player button press or other internal logic. They have just as much control. If lines skip in audio the subtitles should react the same way. Overlapping dialogue and other user induced headaches would be up to their discretion just as the sound team chooses how to handle those issues.
I'm mostly complaining about it during cutscenes, where it seems it should be possible to get the timing right. I don't know the tech behind subs in video games, so it may be impossible, but it's still pretty aggravating. Those Witcher 3 screenshots are especially problematic. I think I only appreciate that much text when I'm playing through a game quickly and am able to skip dialogue piece-meal, rather than skipping the entire cutscene. That way I'm able to skip a big chunk if I'm able to read it fast enough.
It's essentially an accessibility option it should just work out of the box.
Blue dragon was the game that made me get an hdtv because it was literally unplayable on a CRT due to how tiny the text was.
Every single joke in Portal 2 was ruined because they just printed the complete paragraph, sometimes even before someone started talking.
I've been watching subbed content for probably 2 decades at this point...Although I'm starting to think we're arguing about different things now. Is your argument against the position (low on the screen over the black bars) or is it that having a black background over white sub font is hard for readability? Because I've been assuming the latter (and disagree), but if it's the former I can agree with thatI explained in my OP why this isn't actually true at all. The smaller the subtitles, and the farther they're moved to the bottom of the screen, the harder it is to keep track of the action on screen while reading the subtitles. And deciding to always have them in the "black bars" means they will have to be made small. There are reasons why there's a standard/guideline in film.
Spoken like someone that never watches subtitled content. Seems we have several of those in this thread.
No, buddy. Nitpicking would be complaining that the game has scrolling subtitles.
Which looks like shit to me, but whatever.
According to caniplaythat.com you can turn off the subtitle black bar backdrop.
Ghost of Tsushima Accessibility — Just Barely Misses the Bullseye
Steve explores the islands of Tsushima and sees how accessible Sucker Punch Productions' Ghost of Tsushima is ahead of its launch on PS4.caniplaythat.com
That's great to hear. This snapshot from Easy Allies' review proves it:
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This thread is making me feel like I'm crazy.
I get the issue with the size, and, that definitely blows, but, I genuinely don't understand how it's harder to read them over black bars. I haven't read every page in here, but, is it an accessibility issue or stylistic preference?
I get the issue with the size, and, that definitely blows, but, I genuinely don't understand how it's harder to read them over black bars. I haven't read every page in here, but, is it an accessibility issue or stylistic preference?
The argument isn't the black background itself, it's having the subtitles shoved to the bottom of the screen, making it unnecessarily difficult to both read them and pay attention to the action happening on screen.
Gross...No, buddy. Nitpicking would be complaining that the game has scrolling subtitles.
Yeah, I'd like big fat subtitles, please. I think it's lame if they have to patch that shit in. Gears 5 and The Last of Us 2 showed that games can do this stuff well.
That's a shame to hear. I was fearing they might have gone the "cool samurai fantasy" route when taking inspiration which is a shallow reading of Kurosawa.
That's totally fair. I guess we were talking about both in-gameplay subs and in-cutscene ones an I just wanted to clarify. I think we can all agree game subs can be way better tho lol.
I liked The Old Guard! Surprisingly good for a Netflix original.Unfortunately, there's a similar trend in movies/tv shows too.
Not as bad as in videogames, but still.
Old style.
New.
Smaller font size + sans-serif.
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lol, this is really hard to read.I explained in my OP why this isn't actually true at all. The smaller the subtitles, and the farther they're moved to the bottom of the screen, the harder it is to keep track of the action on screen while reading the subtitles. And deciding to always have them in the "black bars" means they will have to be made small. There are reasons why there's a standard/guideline in film.
Spoken like someone that never watches subtitled content. Seems we have several of those in this thread.
No, buddy. Nitpicking would be complaining that the game has scrolling subtitles.
Which looks like shit to me, but whatever.
But then there are games which give those options but even the "large" option is tiny, lol.
OP is right. I work in subtitling and regardless of aspect ratio, black bars or not, there's a specific safe area and those subs in the OP as well as any subs that low are outside of that safe area. Subtiles should not go over black bars but at the bottom or top of the image to limit travel distance for your eyes. Same reason why they can't extend all the way to the sides.
They don't want subtitles to intrude and ruin teh cinematic presentation. Honestly, devs need to get their priorities in order.
Looks good to me.
People are buying incresingly larger TVs every year, and the resolution of those TVs are getting increasingly higher wich in turn allows people to sit closer to the screen. It is good that developers adapt UI and subtitles to match that trend.
The best option would obviously be if there was adjustable UI and subs. That would make everyone happy.
Placing the subs on the black bar is favourable imho, as it makes it easier to read and does not obscure the picture.
People are buying incresingly larger TVs every year, and the resolution of those TVs are getting increasingly higher wich in turn allows people to sit closer to the screen. It is good that developers adapt UI and subtitles to match that trend.
The best option would obviously be if there was adjustable UI and subs. That would make everyone happy.
Placing the subs on the black bar is favourable imho, as it makes it easier to read and does not obscure the picture.
TLOUII had such great subtitle options. I was actually surprised how much more I enjoyed my perfectly formatted subtitles throughout. So I definitely think it's a worthy gripe.
I always reposition subtitles down onto the black bars when watching a subtitled film disc (my 4k has that option) for these reasons.
Seem like a no brainer if you have the option, I would as well.
It's terrible when it comes to both reading and absorbing the action.
There's a reason it's not the standard in film.
They do it in the black bars because there's probably situations where it's not legible in a game (the background matches the color of the text). That will never happen in a film if the directors intends it.
No idea why there's not an option filter to change the font-size though, should be one of the easiest things possible to change.
No idea why there's not an option filter to change the font-size though, should be one of the easiest things possible to change.
The fact that the Japanese dialogue isn't synced with the animation is the bigger head-scratcher to me.
Boy, you can tell there's a lot of posters who don't watch much foreign films or at least films with subtitles lol.
There are no words.
Which looks like shit to me, but whatever.
Nothing is going to stick unless platform holders mandate accessibility, which would probably take a massive lawsuit.
I agree, but I've seen worse. Waaay worse.
As a brazilian gamer, I've played with subtitles (and watched subtitled movies) for my entire life
God of War was ass, in particular, because it was so colorful, bright and fast paced, while the subtitles were tiny and white
The Witcher 3 was also bad, but at least it had a slower pace and the more "verbosy" parts were during static conversations, so not that bad
My main issue is white subtitles
PLEASE developers, put in the option to make them yellow. Can't see shit in white scenes.
As a brazilian gamer, I've played with subtitles (and watched subtitled movies) for my entire life
God of War was ass, in particular, because it was so colorful, bright and fast paced, while the subtitles were tiny and white
The Witcher 3 was also bad, but at least it had a slower pace and the more "verbosy" parts were during static conversations, so not that bad
My main issue is white subtitles
PLEASE developers, put in the option to make them yellow. Can't see shit in white scenes.
it's not like this is a Sucker Punch problem....there are several products released without proper subtitles / font size options.
For example, I like to set yellow font for the subtitles, so it doesn't get lost in the screen
For example, I like to set yellow font for the subtitles, so it doesn't get lost in the screen
Had not seen your message before. Yeah, basically that. And am also a Brazilian. Maybe this yellow subtitles thing has something to do with it.
well, for me specifically, subtitles in black bars screws up with HDR since it causes zones to light up and looks nasty.
Tiny ass text is one of my worst pet peeves. Pisses me off when this happens. One of the worst offenders this gen was outer worlds. I was so excited to play that game and shelved it within minutes because the text was tiny as fuck. Took them months to properly address this.
Death Stranding had the same issue. Really tired of this shit.
Death Stranding had the same issue. Really tired of this shit.
Just a case of this being a US centered forum and most media being produced in the US.
Asking people from the US about how subtitles should be handled is probably not the best, as they are not very familiar with them.
Small font sizes is the bane of my existence when it comes to modern games. I have a 50" 4K set, and it's mind boggling that many games are impossible to read with a screen that size. I sit a good 6-9 feet away from my screen, and I hate that I have to use the PS4's zoom in function to read the text in certain games. Death Stranding has been painful to play due to its tiny as fuck text. It should be a requirement to have text size adjustment options in every game.
With that said, the screenshot you posted doesn't seem egregiously small, and I'm looking at it on my laptop monitor. Hopefully they patch in an option to increase the subtitle size.
Also, it's perfectly fine for people to express their opinion if the size doesn't bother them, just like you're fine to express your opinion that the size does bother you.
With that said, the screenshot you posted doesn't seem egregiously small, and I'm looking at it on my laptop monitor. Hopefully they patch in an option to increase the subtitle size.
Also, it's perfectly fine for people to express their opinion if the size doesn't bother them, just like you're fine to express your opinion that the size does bother you.