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Street Fighter 6 has Just Frames(precise input for better version of specials)
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I will never get this defeatist attitude some people have to anything challenging in fighting games. "Oh no I will never be able to do that, might as well not play at all." What the hell? I'm by no means an expert at fighting games myself, I still screw up a lot of inputs in training mode let alone in an actual battle and I love stuff like this. Gives me another reason to get better at the game.
Plus I highly, highly doubt the benefits added by these kind of just frame specials will matter in anything other than professional tournament play.
Plus I highly, highly doubt the benefits added by these kind of just frame specials will matter in anything other than professional tournament play.
Fuck 1 frame anything, be it links in 4 or now specials in 6.
Like what? I thought SFV had a universal 3 frame buffer
Like what? I thought SFV had a universal 3 frame buffer
Them putting a single player mode that actually seems to have care on it will be 10000x times more relevant for the casuals than adding a variant of a move that you will only see on matches with people that actually put the time on learning the game. And if SFV is any indication, matchmaking actually puts you with people on your level, so unless someone is smurfing most casuals wouldnt see anything out of the ordinary besides people pulling it by sheer luck
I don't think Ryu has this.
He does however have the denjin(sp?) charge to enhance his fireballs.
Hm...that's quite the difference between the perfect and regular Sonic Boom. The former is much faster. I'd be ok with just optional properties (i.e., more frame advantage, higher damage) of it changing, but that speed change makes the move and the contexts where it can be used significantly different. If it's hard to pull off it means you can't really use the move at all reliably...
Why was this a problem for you? It s part of the reason I dropped V. I wanted that extra level.
I know nothing about fighting games and I haven't played them since SF II and Tekken 3 era. I don't quite grasp the complaints about this making the game less approachable for the casual crowd because pro players will curb stomp them. Yes, the gap between casual player and someone who spent tens of thousands on it is most likely going to get bigger, but that gap was already insurmountable without this, a Pro player could beat any casual player using only regular punches and kicks just by their sheer knowledge about spacing, blocking and whatever fighting games have nowadays.
I think these additions make the game more fulfilling to learn for people who enjoy them.
I think these additions make the game more fulfilling to learn for people who enjoy them.
Cool feature glad to see more execution rewarded but in a way casual player probably won't even notice. I know he gets sonic vlade back but I find it funny if Guile doesn't get any more specials and their answer to that is to double the variations of boom and kick instead.
People aren't flipping out, just the usual suspects that complain about everything.
How tight is the input window? If it's not something a pro can get 99% of the time, is there a risk of introducing a frustrating sort of variability (i.e., "I was counting on x timing and instead got y")?
Either way, I don't really see this having much significance for scrubs like me.
Either way, I don't really see this having much significance for scrubs like me.
That's cool. I played with Karin in SFV so I'm used to just frame specials. I'm not sure why people in here are criticizing it from a casual perspective. It's just adds depth for players who are gonna spend a lot of time with the game
Yeah, a pro can beat a casual with like one button and some footsies. And apparently, the enhanced version of a special move is too much...
Im going to pull a number out of my ass and say between 3 and 5 frames
Isn't this only applicable to charge moves anyway? Which most of the cast are unlikely to have. It would makes sense of Capcom put characters in the game which have a individually diverse learning curves. Odd that all charge characters would pose an execution challenge though as I think traditionally their combos are quite simple.
I feel like the gameplay of this game will be a mess, they have just thrown old ideas into it, not sure how they will mix. Can't put an opinion yet since its a year away but it seems that from the testing everyday a new mechanic is discovered which isn't that great even though it looks exciting
Yes you can see it in the guile clip, the perfect boom lets him follow up when the regular one doesn't. The skill gap between pros and beginners was already huge. I'm just okay at Street Fighter but, and i'm not saying this to be mean, for anyone that wants to get into this game because of easy specials I could probably beat them using nothing but normal attacks. The gap between a beginner vs someone that learned the game vs a professional player is worlds apart.
I think in a game with a universal parry this will be important at high level play for a zoner like Guile
Majority of the people I've spoken to who never play fighting games but are picking this is up is because
- There's actual meaty single player content outside of just fighting.
- It looks cool and flashy as fuck and it sounds cool as fuck.
I'm pretty sure I saw Sajam (fighting game commentator, good but by no means a pro) do exactly this a while ago in order to demonstrate how much more important fundamentals are compared to flashy combos.
They could make it so the last directional input has to be done in the same frame as the attack button like EWGF in Tekken
I hate this. I'm okay with offering different versions of moves based on input timing, but one shouldn't be objectively better in all departments such that it completely invalidates the non-timing version of the same move. That just creates a bigger gulf between New Players and Veteran players as well leading to unneeded frustration. If specific to Charge type moves then at least it limits 'holding' the move since the timing window seems to be reliant on performing it quickly which isn't always desired.
Also from a balance perspective do they tune a character expecting players will use the Perfect timing version of their kit? Regardless of if they do or not it'll skew how a character should perform even more and I'm not a fan at all
Also from a balance perspective do they tune a character expecting players will use the Perfect timing version of their kit? Regardless of if they do or not it'll skew how a character should perform even more and I'm not a fan at all
If they have higher skill then the gap is gonna be wide unless you handicap the better players. The only real way to close the skill gap is for newbs/casuals to learn to play the game
I agree with this. Having a couple "technical" characters like SC used to do with Setsuka is something I like more than having it built into the systems universally. Then I can at least just ignore it!
I've lost this battle though, design is going the other way. Oh well.
Wait a minute. I switched to my phone to see the tweets; we're just seeing a perfect charge on some specials. That doesn't necessarily mean 1-frame links.
I really wish more folks would put the tweet text in quotes... -_-
I really wish more folks would put the tweet text in quotes... -_-
I just couldn't perform any of the links ever. I sat in training mode for hours and I could not for the life of me get it. Meanwhile, the input buffer in SFV left nothing out of reach. Sure it would still take me 1 hour+ to large combos but I *could* do it in SFV.
I mean, let's be real here, the skill gap is always going to be there. The barrier of entry has always been a matter of giving people a better onboarding process and more content for people not interested in ranked matches.
But this idea of "well I also want to gut this aspect for the competitive side because I'd rather not think about it" seems really short-sighted.
The game has one of the most robust single player modes that we've seen in a decade. What are you u talking about?
So wait do people think this is a universal thing? Luke already had this in SFV and has it in SFVI (and his is different in how it's implemented), and they are showing it here as a Guile thing now too. I guess if you want to play Guile I could see it being off putting, but I'd wait to overall doom until they say it's a system level thing, which would be incredibly unlikely for no one to have noticed it on Chun (who also has a charge fireball) Ryu or Jamie.
So are they going to yell perfect instead of their moves in pro matches?
Perfect!
Perfect!
Perfect!
Perfect!
Perfect!
Perfect!
Perfect!
Perfect!
Does that not seem too easy compared to this type of fuzzy timing with a charge? I feel like it would really add value to controllers like Hitboxes too because you can easily press both at the same time with the same hand.
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The game isn't supposed to be extremely easy for all commands, this would break the game.
You sure it doesnt take into account the input buffer? Starting the dash but initiating the punch 2 frames early still making itna 1 frame tenko?
This is fine, this won't mean much except for at higher levels of play. If two scrubs are playing, this will NOT be the difference in who wins. Some people just want to complain without even having played the game lol, let alone understand the basics/fundamentals but are concerned about precise frame inputs? Come on yall!
So this is super unclear, really.
From what I understand, with those Sonic Booms, it's basically "If I charge the bare minimum I get special properties". Sure, I can get that - if you charge longer, you don't get them, and it's made for those charge characters so you don't go holding down+back all the time. Not sure I actually like the system, but hey.
But for non-charge moves? What's a "Just frame SRK"? Just Frame basically means "1f timing" - it's 1f links, etc. If Just Frame SRK is basically just "Your input buffer ONLY has Forward -> Down -> Down+Forward" then you get special properties then I also kind of understand, but it's very weird. SF has a very, VERY lenient input system - it looks a specific amount of frames back in your inputs and if something somewhat matches a move, it'll come out" and it also means you can get Tiger Knee motions on some moves to get them low off the ground.
So basically this is like "If your execution in performing motions is top tier, you get bonus stuff in your specials"? I'm personally not sure I like this, to be honest.
Everything about this system makes very little sense.
From what I understand, with those Sonic Booms, it's basically "If I charge the bare minimum I get special properties". Sure, I can get that - if you charge longer, you don't get them, and it's made for those charge characters so you don't go holding down+back all the time. Not sure I actually like the system, but hey.
But for non-charge moves? What's a "Just frame SRK"? Just Frame basically means "1f timing" - it's 1f links, etc. If Just Frame SRK is basically just "Your input buffer ONLY has Forward -> Down -> Down+Forward" then you get special properties then I also kind of understand, but it's very weird. SF has a very, VERY lenient input system - it looks a specific amount of frames back in your inputs and if something somewhat matches a move, it'll come out" and it also means you can get Tiger Knee motions on some moves to get them low off the ground.
So basically this is like "If your execution in performing motions is top tier, you get bonus stuff in your specials"? I'm personally not sure I like this, to be honest.
Everything about this system makes very little sense.
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