Streamer xQc under fire for going back to streaming Gambling

Biosnake · May 18, 2022

Seems like he moved back to Canada to stream it "legally"? This is after he quit gambling and apologized for it.

A day before the gambling starts he talks shit to a viewer that says he's gonna gamble again:

Then the gambling starts as he enters a call with Trainwrecks and puts #ad in title:

Finally he tells us all about "integrity" and following through with beliefs:

Astandahl · May 18, 2022

This garbage is "meta" in Italy as well.

It' s awful.

Rowsdower · May 18, 2022

I don't know much about xQc, but I take it doing gambling streams are banned? Twitch would ban him for this then?

Edit: Oh saw the other thread. So it's crypto gambling. Fuck him then.

bloodyroarx · May 18, 2022

Xqc is garbage always has been always will be and makes Canada look worse by association

Indy in the Fridge · May 18, 2022

Isn't this dude just a general asshole anyway?

Ridley327 · May 18, 2022

Rowsdower said:
I don't know much about xQc, but I take it doing gambling streams are banned? Twitch would ban him or this then?

Not only are gambling streams not banned on Twitch, they have their own category altogether that you can browse.

The problem is that the gambling meta on Twitch in the past couple of years has had some very controversial elements to it with the owners of those sites partnering with certain streamers (Trainwreckstv being the most notorious one) to support their stream in a very thinly veiled attempt to advertise said site to normal people to get them hooked on gambling their money. I'm not sure if it's ever been corroborated as to whether or not that they're helping to stake the streamers they partner with, but the bigger streamers are rich enough anyway that them spending tens of thousands of dollars is a drop in the bucket for them, as the ultimate goal is for them to hit big to show just how much can be won by an individual if they stick with it long enough so that the sites can get more traffic.

ThatMeanScene · May 18, 2022

He's got a real addiction. On Pokimane's stream a couple Saturdays (or on a Sunday) she pressed him repeatedly on still supporting gambling and he couldn't admit that He should stop doing it himself and that he should stop exposing his audience to it. Plus there's the fact that he's lost at least 1.8 million dollars to gambling (said on the same Pokimane stream).

Twitch Streamer xQc Claims He Lost Over $1.8 Million Gambling Last Month

The famous Twitch streamer lost so much that his dad called during a stream to ask if he was okay

kotaku.com

Kindekuma · May 18, 2022

Seems like he has a real gambling addiction, didn't he just lose over a million or two? Think it's time to get some help.

SixelAlexiS · May 18, 2022

Astandahl said:
This garbage is "meta" in Italy as well.

It' s awful.

Yep, In Italian streams we have the gambling issue as well, but it's not crypto and they use regulated sites, so nothing illegal.
They still are sponsored tho and it's always shitty to see slots, black jack and stuff like that being mainstreamed so much on the platform.

Rowsdower · May 18, 2022

Ridley327 said:
Not only are gambling streams not banned on Twitch, they have their own category altogether that you can browse.

The problem is that the gambling meta on Twitch in the past couple of years has had some very controversial elements to it with the owners of those sites partnering with certain streamers (Trainwreckstv being the most notorious one) to support their stream in a very thinly veiled attempt to advertise said site to normal people to get them hooked on gambling their money. I'm not sure if it's ever been corroborated as to whether or not that they're helping to stake the streamers they partner with, but the bigger streamers are rich enough anyway that them spending tens of thousands of dollars is a drop in the bucket for them, as the ultimate goal is for them to hit big to show just how much can be won by an individual if they stick with it long enough so that the sites can get more traffic.

Thanks for explaining this to me. I thought it odd since online gambling has been a thing forever, but with what you said and it involving crypto as well, yea, that's terrible to see streamers do that.

Mattmo831 · May 18, 2022

Not gonna lie

If they offered me 20 million a month I'd do it too fuck it. I'm sure some of y'all will say "I have morals and would never" but fuck it this is securing money for many generations. I'd do it too

Last_colossi · May 18, 2022

The fact that the majority of his viewers are teenagers and he knows that, makes this even more fucked up.

Falcon511 · May 18, 2022

I think I followed trainwreck before he started the gambling streams. Honestly I will take watching the hot tub streams any day over gambling. Someone admitted on Pokis stream that watching trainwreck got him hooked into it.

cyrribrae · May 18, 2022

Damn. I mean, I don't like the guy as a performer, but this isn't necessarily about that. And this isn't even about it being crypto. Dude clearly has a serious problem and it's always sad to see some relapse. That sucks - and it sucks even more because no one is managing to hold him accountable. And for all we know, he has at least part of an audience that supports him doing it. Good on viewers calling him out, but clearly that's not what's gonna get through to him.

The integrity clip is just lol. Sigh.... But again, no point kicking a dude when they're down. But it really needs to stop. He has so much influence over his fairly young audience. ("Trainwreck" is right. Not even sure if it's slow motion, or not.)

TheMoon · May 18, 2022

Kindekuma said:
Seems like he has a real gambling addiction, didn't he just lose over a million or two? Think it's time to get some help.

insert literally men will move to another country before going to therapy here

mrcostard01 · May 18, 2022

Mattmo831 said:
Not gonna lie

If they offered me 20 million a month I'd do it too fuck it. I'm sure some of y'all will say "I have morals and would never" but fuck it this is securing money for many generations. I'd do it too

But he's one of the biggest american streamer on twitch, he was already doing well financially, he didn't need that.

AM_LIGHT · May 18, 2022

Isn't this guy making so much money already??
But then again humans greed has no limit.

Lobster Roll · May 18, 2022

xQc is the like the supreme prototype of modern streaming toxicity and likely has an extremely young audience too. Him getting into gambling is extremely problematic. Also, fucking LMAO at him streaming the Depp-Heard trial and giving his "insight". I genuinely feel sorry for anybody drinking from that well of sewage looking for anything meaningful whatsoever to come out of his mouth.

Mattmo831 · May 18, 2022

mrcostard01 said:
But he's one of the biggest american streamer on twitch, he was already doing well financially, he didn't need that.

Of course he was. Probably 1-3 million a month. That will secure his life forveer. But A QUARTER OF A BILLION A YEAR is a whole other story.

Milennia · May 18, 2022

He has an admitted addiction, has said multiple times that even when not streaming it, he still rolled slots on his off time constantly
Dudes dad even called him on stream freaking out about it as he lost a family member to a gambling addiction

The stake deals are just a way of funding that addiction, and when you have the addiction, you don't give a single shit who else is harmed by it

Ridley327 · May 18, 2022

Last_colossi said:
The fact that the majority of his viewers are teenagers and he knows that, makes this even more fucked up.

I don't think xQc has ever been quite the true believer that Trainwreck is about the business behind it all, hence why he stopped in the first place, but it's definitely a poor look to see him back on the bullshit and it feels like he's simultaneously out of ideas for what to do for content right now and also feeding into a bad habit that he likely never kicked in the first place that and was only exacerbated by how much Twitch keeps paying him to stay on the platform, on top of all the money he rakes from viewers.

Rika · May 18, 2022

Rowsdower said:
Edit: Oh saw the other thread. So it's crypto gambling. Fuck him then.

Lord...

Fuck him agreed.

s y · May 18, 2022

Failing to see the issue here. When he's gambling is his stream not appropriately age restricted per twitch rules?

Edit: as in, this is being framed like he's doing something reprehensible. From the replies it sounds like he has an addiction but at the same time, doesn't look like it's possible for this to hurt him financially.

Deleted member 87246 · May 18, 2022

The shitty thing about it is in most cases they're not gambling and winning with real money. It's all credits provided by the owners of the gambling sites so when they say they've won or lost millions it's more than likely mostly "credit" in order to market the site. They get paid their crazy sponsorship fee separately.

It's shady as fuck especially for a mostly teenage audience.

Dyle · May 18, 2022

Just play Super Auto Pets like a normal streamer

PeskyToaster · May 18, 2022

When is Twitch going to learn they can just ban anyone because people are there for the platform and not the individual content creators.

Mattmo831 said:
Not gonna lie

If they offered me 20 million a month I'd do it too fuck it. I'm sure some of y'all will say "I have morals and would never" but fuck it this is securing money for many generations. I'd do it too

It's just pure selfish greed though. it's sucking away money from a thousand other generations because it's normalizing gambling to kids and teenagers. He doesn't need to gamble to make money, his Twitch revenue is more than enough for him and his family. It's just greed and addiction plain and simple. You gotta have some semblance of moral fiber else you can justify anything with your logic.

idonteven · May 18, 2022

dude already has millions for the great great great great great great grandchildren to still be millionares

why ? just why

SixelAlexiS · May 18, 2022

idonteven said:
dude already has millions for the great great great great great great grandchildren to still be millionares

why ? just why

Twitch won't last forever like that, those streamers will have to change their job at some point so better take how much money they can while it last, they don't care how.

Stop It · May 18, 2022

Mattmo831 said:
Not gonna lie

If they offered me 20 million a month I'd do it too fuck it. I'm sure some of y'all will say "I have morals and would never" but fuck it this is securing money for many generations. I'd do it too

Problem gamblers much more likely to attempt suicide – study

Findings prompt demands for tougher action from government to protect addicts

www.theguardian.com

Gambling kills thousands of people.

Thanks for confirming you value money over human life.

This is appalling and promotion of gambling is bad enough, worse when any safeguards, little as they are, are completely ignored in the pursuit of getting more people hooked.

Sande · May 18, 2022

I don't know why xqc of all people pretends to have integrity. I doubt any of his viewers are there for that.

Eggiem · May 18, 2022

Astandahl said:
This garbage is "meta" in Italy as well.

It' s awful.

Same in Germany. So many asshole hypocrites too.

cyrribrae · May 18, 2022

s y said:
Failing to see the issue here. When he's gambling is his stream not appropriately age restricted per twitch rules?

Edit: as in, this is being framed like he's doing something reprehensible. From the replies it sounds like he has an addiction but at the same time, doesn't look like it's possible for this to hurt him financially.

There's definitely an issue. It's a personal addiction issue that is being broadcast live and has been shown to influence viewers - young or not. But I agree, not sure why every issue on this site has to become moral outrage (especially by invoking crypto, as though addiction to slots on sites is somehow better). It's not "reprehensible", in the same way that I don't typically describe a substance abuse addiction as "reprehensible". But It's sad, and in context of his job and where he's doing it, it really needs to stop. IMO.

krazen · May 18, 2022

Mattmo831 said:
Not gonna lie

If they offered me 20 million a month I'd do it too fuck it. I'm sure some of y'all will say "I have morals and would never" but fuck it this is securing money for many generations. I'd do it too

Problem is, it's a spiral effect. Everybody saying 'Gotta get mine' has kind of broken the world, hasn't it. It's the same logic as corrupt politicians, corporate polluters, etc.

The thing is even generational you eventually pay the price; you make so much cash two generations down are set but that second generation lives in Mad Max world, lol.

s y said:
Failing to see the issue here. When he's gambling is his stream not appropriately age restricted per twitch rules?

Edit: as in, this is being framed like he's doing something reprehensible. From the replies it sounds like he has an addiction but at the same time, doesn't look like it's possible for this to hurt him financially.

Oh its legal, but we all know how dangerous gambling can be. Imho I blame twitch for allowing the content, but it's still a terrible look for someone to be taking advantage of their audience

Chrno · May 18, 2022

on one hand, addiction is not a joke and he should be getting help. As for twitch, they really need to up the ante on how they mange adult related content.. (including the rumored 18+ adult section).

typically my advice for streamers in general is "get that bag while you can" because your job can literally be taken from you the next day. I'd say he's another story though ;\

rsfour · May 18, 2022

Only commercials I see these days: involve gambling, crypto, or traveling.

Two of the three are fucking trash.

PeskyToaster · May 18, 2022

Neurotic said:
The shitty thing about it is in most cases they're not gambling and winning with real money. It's all credits provided by the owners of the gambling sites so when they say they've won or lost millions it's more than likely mostly "credit" in order to market the site. They get paid their crazy sponsorship fee separately.

It's shady as fuck especially for a mostly teenage audience.

Yes, we saw that with the CSGO item gambling. They were giving themselves the best items so they could push their own sites or the sites sponsoring them. I have absolutely 0 doubt, negative doubt even, I am 100% positive that these sites are manipulating the odds for the people they sponsor on top of providing credits. Electronic gambling is a complete scam because it's so simple to skew the odds on an already skewed casino game. How naive would someone have to be to believe that the slot or card game odds are 100% true to reality and not tweaked even moreso to favor the house. It just takes the slightest of changes to have a huge effect over a giant userbase. What company could resist changing a .02 chance to a .01 to generate hundreds of thousands or millions more depending on the size of the userbase. Or that they are using data to hook people based on patterns on their accounts. Like they probably know when someone needs a big win to get them hooked and lo! it manifests itself as if by magic.

Froli · May 18, 2022

s y said:
Edit: as in, this is being framed like he's doing something reprehensible. From the replies it sounds like he has an addiction but at the same time, doesn't look like it's possible for this to hurt him financially.

He doesn't actually loses money when it's a sponsored gambling stream. The company provides him money that he can play with

And then he gets millions per month for this deal.

astro · May 18, 2022

Mattmo831 said:
Of course he was. Probably 1-3 million a month. That will secure his life forveer. But A QUARTER OF A BILLION A YEAR is a whole other story.

Fuck that... the money he makes a month is more than enough to take and wisely invest and save. He could secure wealth for "generations" with his current salary if he were shrewed with it.

I get the temptation, and it's impossibloe to say what I would do if I were offered an obscene amount like that, there have been times in my life I was struggling financially to the point I don't think I could turn it down if offered, but If I were already earnign a shit tonne of money... I'd like to think I'd turn it down. It certainly isn't something.

RumHam · May 18, 2022

mrcostard01 said:
But he's one of the biggest american streamer on twitch, he was already doing well financially, he didn't need that.

Nobody doesn't need 20 million extra. Nobody.

astro · May 18, 2022

RumHam said:
Nobody doesn't need 20 million extra. Nobody.

Bingo.

djplaeskool · May 18, 2022

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Deleted member 87246 · May 18, 2022

PeskyToaster said:
Yes, we saw that with the CSGO item gambling. They were giving themselves the best items so they could push their own sites or the sites sponsoring them. I have absolutely 0 doubt, negative doubt even, I am 100% positive that these sites are manipulating the odds for the people they sponsor on top of providing credits. Electronic gambling is a complete scam because it's so simple to skew the odds on an already skewed casino game. How naive would someone have to be to believe that the slot or card game odds are 100% true to reality and not tweaked even moreso to favor the house. It just takes the slightest of changes to have a huge effect over a giant userbase. What company could resist changing a .02 chance to a .01 to generate hundreds of thousands or millions more depending on the size of the userbase. Or that they are using data to hook people based on patterns on their accounts. Like they probably know when someone needs a big win to get them hooked and lo! it manifests itself as if by magic.

Yeah 100%. With no laws or legislation all digital gambling is almost certainly fucked with to make you win early on to then get you to lose it back with 1000% profit for them once you're addicted.

Jogi · May 18, 2022

i know a lot don't like xqc here, but it's odd that gambling isn't seen in the same light as other addictions. He has said he lost his uncle to a gambling addiction, and the situation is far more serious than dunking on a guy.

Here's a clip of his dad worried about Felix after going on the Ludwig's poker stream:

Hopefully he can realize how dangerous it is for him and his viewers.

PeskyToaster · May 18, 2022

Neurotic said:
Yeah 100%. With no laws or legislation all digital gambling is almost certainly fucked with to make you win early on to then get you to lose it back with 1000% profit for them once you're addicted.

Yeah MP games do it all the time too with loot boxes or even just with matchmaking. When I come back to CoD from a break I am 100% placed in easier lobbies at first.

Einbroch · May 18, 2022

I know someone who is a mid-tier streamer. A gambling company offered him 250k a month to stream gambling for 2 hours a week with a three month guarantee. He declined because it's scummy as shit.

$31,250 an hour. Just bonkers.

Akainu · May 18, 2022

Who is this and what kind of gambling are we talking about?

Ridley327 · May 18, 2022

Akainu said:
Who is this and what kind of gambling are we talking about?

One of the biggest streamers, if not the biggest streamer, on Twitch, and they've mostly been playing video slots with a touch of blackjack.

Alucrid · May 18, 2022

Ridley327 said:
One of the biggest streamers, if not the biggest streamer, on Twitch, and they've mostly been playing video slots with a touch of blackjack.

people like watching him play slots? i guess i misread the xqc fanbase

nihilence · May 18, 2022

If he's going to do it, minimum tag it up with warning, require 18-21+ and run responsible messaging.

Gentlemen · May 18, 2022

Indy in the Fridge said:
Isn't this dude just a general asshole anyway?

He's the dude who would rather be racist and homophobic for his twitch audience than have a steady job on a pro overwatch league team. It's telling that he's been significantly enriched by that behavior I suppose.

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