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Stranger of Paradise: Final Fantasy Origin announced - Coming 2022 to PC, PS4/PS5, Xbox One and Xbox Series X|S
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Some of y'all got to stop blaming Nomura for everything and giving him no credit for anything.
Like dude ain't perfect, snd these designs are yikes but I hate to tell you there is basically zero creatives that create for 20 + years and have them all be winners.
Like dude ain't perfect, snd these designs are yikes but I hate to tell you there is basically zero creatives that create for 20 + years and have them all be winners.
Wait they did? I stopped watching after the 30 seconds of Pixel Remaster & Legend of Mana.
I do too. I'm really hoping the gameplay is good, I can forgive most of shit if the game is just fun. If I have a blast playing it ultimately I don't really care what it looks like. It seems like it might have really good action and gameplay.
That's exactly the point. Don't you all see? Square has been all about subverting expectations since FFVIIR.
You not understanding how this happens is because of the chaotic nature of the game. Its demo release, character designs, story, clumsy action, middling graphics...all of it is meant to make you, the player, fully immersed into a black hole of questions and speculation. No point, no justification, no common sense...only random, unreasonable, noncompliant chaos.
We took down Fate in VII Remake. Now we have only one more target. We are all Garland's descent into madness. Garland is us. Garland is chaos. And Jack is Square Enix trying to kill us through the meta physical representation of their shareholders.
To be fair, as seen from many first-time reactions, people didn't catch on the "chaos" so much. It was only when more and more people pointed it out and people became aware, that it has become a thing.
I for some reason from the start thought the protagonists looked creepily hilarious. Don't know how long it will last, but looking at his face still gives me a laughing fit everytime.
probably best just to close the thread now. no topping this.i think this game looks pretty cool xD
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2 and 8 really are not what I would call "wild experimentation" compared to the later games. They were different, sure, but only in the same way that 3, 6, or 7 were. They tried new ideas, but still used old ones. 2 took the basic battle system and abilities from 1, but mixed up how you learned and strengthened them. FF8 tries some new things with how magic works, but the GF and Junction system are fundamentally the same idea as Jobs, Magicite, or Materia, just repackaged and iterated. The only real difference is the addition of a few extra steps required to covert the abilities of the GF into direct stat changes.
Compare those to something like FF12, which fundamentally changes core elements of the combat system, or FF15 that is basically a different genre entirely. Especially since FF15 doesn't really clearly draw any gameplay ideas from 12 or 13 in the same way that even 8 clearly borrows ideas from 6 and 7.
And 7 and 8 don't really share much in common with the post-10 stories. They are, fundamentally, still focused on the traditional heroic journey without subversion. They lack the later focus on divine powers that guide and manipulate the world behind the scenes, and their stories don't feature pretty much any of the major elements I mentioned.
And I omitted the MMOs for several reasons. First, they are fundamentally developed by different branches of the company with very different structures and conditions. The fact that they are fundamentally a different genre makes it hard to directly compare their gameplay, and the different storytelling style brought on by the expansion-based format makes it impossible to directly compare their stories. It is just apples to oranges.
It is a simplification, yes, but you have to simplify a little. But I'll both disagree with you and clarify a few points.
First, the shift from FF1-5 to FF6 is indeed a shift in the direction of the series, but it isn't the only one, and it is much less significant than the one I was talking about. FF6-10 is its own arc that features very different worlds and stories than before, focusing less on chosen heroes and more on human conflict, where magic is its own major force in the world rather than just a presumed thing. But it still fits in the larger paradigm of gameplay iteration and story variety.
And yes, the big transition in the company took place after FF10, but I included 10 in the list of later games because most later FF games just... copy FF10. FF10 itself is a transition game. It is the product of the same gameplay iteration that produced the earlier games, but the core recurring things seen in later FF games are all found in 10. The things that distinguish 10 from earlier games are the same things that form the template for the later games. Thus, evil manipulative religious figures, a subverted heroic journey, rebellion against the core ideals of the world, sphere-grid like progression mechanics, and major overhauls to core battle mechanics become the norm.
Either the people in charge of FF right now really love FF10, or it is the only kind of FF they know how to make, but it is pretty much the definitive game for the series over the last few decades. Well, it and secondary influence from Kingdom Hearts, but that discussion is more complicated.
As for your comments on 12, 14, and 16...
FF12 is a terrible trashfire of a game. It isn't a throwback to the older games, because even with the Zodiac Job System it is barely any more mechanically complicated than FF1. Its core gimmick is the completely overhauled core battle system that prioritizes flash and animations over fun fights. It abandons the well-designed progression systems based on opportunity cost from older games in exchange for a shallow retread of the sphere grid where everyone gets every skill all the time. Its main story is a mess in which the main characters have no agency and barely register in the plot. And it is fundamentally built to be the anchor for a bunch of spinoff games like FFTA and Revenant Wings. Nothing about it has the slightest resemblance to the SNES/PS1 games.
FF14 is, as I said, hard to compare directly because it is an MMO. But I do think it that part of the reason for A Realm Reborn's rather poor story (other than the development time crunch) was its focus on big lore and worldbuilding, while completely overlooking the basics of character writing and putting together an engaging main story. This is one of the same big problems that drags down 12, 13, and 15. Luckily, the game is really good past that part.
As for 16, it is still too early to really be sure what it will be like, but that first trailer strongly indicated that it is doing the same thing as the last few titles. Rather than iterate on the good parts of either FF12 or 7R's battle systems like I hoped, it again is doing its own thing. And again we have a world at the mercy of big divine things, and s hero who is likely going to suffer tragedy on his path to fighting big divine things. It doesn't have the Type-0/15 director in charge, so the story will probably be better than those, but other than that it looks like the same thing all over again.
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i think this game looks pretty cool xD
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Oh my god 😂
Holy shit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣i think this game looks pretty cool xD
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In an attempt to further westernize the game ZZ Top's 'La Grange' will blast as Ramuh rides his Harley down from a cloud emblazoned with a lightning bolt ⚡
With how separated NT was from the past two, it feels like they just closed the door on Dissidia 012 with no intention of ever expanding on it. I feel like it had potential, but I guess very few others felt the same.
May boot it up on my Vita and have a nostalgia run.
Oh my fuckin god. Incredible.i think this game looks pretty cool xD
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I think avoiding building entire games around the not-winners is why games have a preproduction phase, though, right?
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So I hid away from the internet for the last 24 hours as I was waiting until tonight to watch E3 stuff with a mate and...oh boy.
In my head when the rumours started coming out I had this vision of how a potential Soulsborne-like FF set in FF1's world would work, and it honestly felt like it would be one of those things that would just work and make perfect sense. I couldn't wait until it was revealed to see what it was going to be.
And, well, yeah...I'll obviously check it out, and maybe even enjoy it, but man was that a rough reveal and not at all what I was picturing 😬
In my head when the rumours started coming out I had this vision of how a potential Soulsborne-like FF set in FF1's world would work, and it honestly felt like it would be one of those things that would just work and make perfect sense. I couldn't wait until it was revealed to see what it was going to be.
And, well, yeah...I'll obviously check it out, and maybe even enjoy it, but man was that a rough reveal and not at all what I was picturing 😬
still the highlight of E3. I got high yesterday, watched the trailer again and probably woke up the block from laughing.
the battle quotes killed me. "FEEL THE PAIN!" "ILL CRUSH YOU!" *as Garland is getting his face beat in*
the battle quotes killed me. "FEEL THE PAIN!" "ILL CRUSH YOU!" *as Garland is getting his face beat in*
It's really odd to me how some parts of ERA set up some people as the guy to blame every time a big publisher trips up. Nomura, Harada, Nagoshi...
It's incredible how no one has been able to play the thing a day later.
I'd want to know what broke once they put the demo up...like, how does this even happen?
Did they just decide to pull the actual demo because they realized the game was going to be shit on so profusely?
I'd want to know what broke once they put the demo up...like, how does this even happen?
Did they just decide to pull the actual demo because they realized the game was going to be shit on so profusely?
That's the thing. Obviously I had my blue sky hopes and dreams. "What if they leaned hard into Amano's art style? What if it was a return to high fantasy?" But I knew that wasn't happening. I was excited because what I thought was likely - a darker, creepier Souls inspired Final Fantasy action RPG - still sounded really cool and was something I'd be into. But this, is just....why? It's such an unbelievable own goal.
I do want to give this the benefit of the doubt (which is why I really want to try the demo) because solid gameplay might make the title worth exploring even if the story and concept is awful. But there's just no reason for this to be as terrible as it is when the pitch (Souls but Final Fantasy) is so obvious.
Agreed.
Like all three of them make mistakes…but we all do right? We all have issues and we all make mistakes even in our careers.
That said while they do make mistakes Nagoshi, Harada, and Nomura have all made million selling games that people love and cherish. Even if you don't like them, let's not act like everything they make is some how "objectively" trash or like they should lose their jobs because they aren't catering to your exact taste.
I hope some data miners out there saved this thing already. I want to know what's really in it, who knows what fucked up data file they accidentally uploaded.
It really is a shock...lol
I'm rewatching the trailer and I just can't work out how this was pitched and came together haha. Maybe it's a good thing? I dunno. Maybe what I had in mind would be too safe and too similar to Dark Souls or something. But man do I wish it were just that.
Still, I look forward to facing the Chaos™ whenever they fix the demo.
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It's on PSN, but the demo is broken and nobody can play it. We're still waiting on a fix.
It's right in the PS5 Store, but the version that's there is corrupted. When you launch it, it will fail until they fix it.