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Straight up racist Mace Windu art in recent SW:A Comic
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I would be extremely shocked if Oeming was a racist.
e: I guess I don't know anything about him personally, but he works a lot with Brian Michael Bendis who has adopted black children and I'd guess wouldn't put up with any of that if it's been evident before.
edit 2: Since I'm being called out for this, I hope I can clarify that there isn't any excusing the OP's image. It obviously at least resembles a racist caricature, intentional or not. It not being recognized as being that by the artist or production somewhere along the line is inexcusable.
With Bendis, I'm trying to say that he's been all about making comics and characters for his kids and kids like his kids (Miles, Naomi) so I'm guessing he'd want nothing to do with a racist collaborator, if he'd shown himself as that before.
So not saying he isn't racist or didn't just DO something racist, just that I'd be surprised if he was.
e: I guess I don't know anything about him personally, but he works a lot with Brian Michael Bendis who has adopted black children and I'd guess wouldn't put up with any of that if it's been evident before.
edit 2: Since I'm being called out for this, I hope I can clarify that there isn't any excusing the OP's image. It obviously at least resembles a racist caricature, intentional or not. It not being recognized as being that by the artist or production somewhere along the line is inexcusable.
With Bendis, I'm trying to say that he's been all about making comics and characters for his kids and kids like his kids (Miles, Naomi) so I'm guessing he'd want nothing to do with a racist collaborator, if he'd shown himself as that before.
So not saying he isn't racist or didn't just DO something racist, just that I'd be surprised if he was.
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Yeah, not sure what the other characters in that artstyle look like but this seems really bad. He looks barely human there.
Wtf is this
Doesn't IDW review these things before print?
Star Wars Adventures Issue 9
Art by Michael Avon Oeming
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The art is awful but the writing is spot on at matching how Mace would speak, I can't help but read this in Samuel L. Jackson's voice.First page of the short story
I haven't read any Powers (his major series), but this space god modelled on Prince and Hendrix from Cave Carson looked swell.
I guess something just went wrong in the intersection of stylization and likeness with Windu.
I guess something just went wrong in the intersection of stylization and likeness with Windu.
So are we not showing other characters for a reason here? If the entire thing is this stylized the issue looks entirely different
First page of the short story
Honestly this comic just looks like shit regardless. The first panel in the OP looks intentional on it's own but man the art just seems inconsistent and garbage across the board so it's hard to tell. Like why does Mace Windu look like he's morphing into Quark in that last panel? It's like someone drunk described Tartakovsky to the artist to replicate. Anakin goes from having a straight jawline to a curved one. Windu's ears looks like they are constantly flapping.
idk, it looks like a heavily stylized artstyle to me. Apparently the guy only drew two issues so far with little to no other characters.
I looked up the comic and it seems the drawing on Mace Windu didn't turn out right
Oeming has drawn black characters before and they don't look like this it's probably what someone said that they attempted to emulate his look from clone wars cartoon and it just didn't translate
Oeming has drawn black characters before and they don't look like this it's probably what someone said that they attempted to emulate his look from clone wars cartoon and it just didn't translate
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Questionable as the image in the OP is, based off of other provided context I don't think that this was intentionally malicious, just an unfortunate coincidence.
That's what always hits me about things like this. Sure someone can create something questionable with no bad intentions, it happens. But at these massive companies how do they get signed off and released with nobody stopping to suggest that it's changed.
The second example looks alot closer to Mace in the CG Clone Wars
First one is just... that's a bad look.
This one at least looks like Mace. I have no idea what happened to result in the one in the OP.First page of the short story
You can still see his raised brow, just barely.
I think it's the angle making him look unflattering.
Well, that and it looks like these were drawn real quick. Sketch-like. Kinda reminds me of the roughness of pretty much every The Walking Dead comic after issues 1-6. But that at least worked for the entirety of the story and medium. (Tho Tony Moore was a million times better, damn shame.)
First thing that popped into my head was that it reminded me of the 2003 2D animated Clone Wars cartoon, just done poorly.
Saw this on Reddit weeks ago and went back and forth with making a thread on this. I will say that regardless of intent, editorial should have had the foresight to correct the image. It's a sensitive image that can evoke a lot of negativity even if it isn't intentionally playing into racist stereotypes (which I believe in this case it is not—it is just incredibly garbage and most certainly rushed.)
Based on how Mace is stylized on the other pages I dont think the one in the OP is intentional. It seems like the artist just lowered the mouth too much when drawing the head at a raised angle for the sake of having his expression read more clear
Yep. Don't think the intention was there, just can be easily misconstrued unfortunately.
I don't think it's intentional, just poor art that emphasizes parts of his face poorly for emotional effect. The poor attention to anatomical consistency is what makes this look exaggerated to the almost offensive level it's at.
It's weird, because in both the suspect panel and the other example panel, the artist gave Mace this really prominent philtrum and brow ridge that Sam Jackson just doesn't have. And super big, round ears on the suspect image, which - again - Jackson doesn't have.
I imagine it was probably less of a case of "I will draw a racist caricature of Sam Jackson" and probably more about long-standing issues with the caricature techniques historically applied to Black people. Drawing Black people - especially Black men - as ape-like has been an issue with cartoons and comics for a long, long time, and it's essentially baked in to cartooning techniques.
I imagine it was probably less of a case of "I will draw a racist caricature of Sam Jackson" and probably more about long-standing issues with the caricature techniques historically applied to Black people. Drawing Black people - especially Black men - as ape-like has been an issue with cartoons and comics for a long, long time, and it's essentially baked in to cartooning techniques.
idk, it looks like a heavily stylized artstyle to me. Apparently the guy only drew two issues so far with little to no other characters.
Besides looking a bit thin here (I guess that belt really sucks in the waist!), my man, the Count of Serreno is looking good as always. That's a plus, at least!
I'd just thought I'd point out the Laura Ingraham adopted a Black child. I guess my point is, it's not really a good way to judge whether a person may or may not be racist, just like who they marry isn't (McConnell is married to an Asian woman).
Anyway, on topic, it does seem like that particular panel is the problem. I have to wonder why they decided to go forward with it when it is quite obviously racist looking. Should have been reworked quite obviously.
Is this what "he can't be racist, he has a black friend" has evolved into?
I'm waiting for "but his cousin's wife always has friendly small talk with the black lady at the grocery store!"
The best part about all of this is... it doesn't actually matter. Like everyone can give their two cents if they think the artist is racist or not and I'm never in the mood to argue with Era folks on what black people are allowed to see as racist. The image is racist regardless of intent and shouldn't have gotten through whatever approval process they go through to publish these comics.
You know we aren't part of the process here.
OH - you're talking about the comic...
Almost offensive?
It's just offensive.
And all these white folks hand waiving the issue here are part of the problem