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Stop Trying To Make Andrew Cuomo Happen
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There it is, I don't have to read any other posts in this thread.
Its not like the OP thought: "man I hate Cuomo I'm gonna post a hate thread on era", they're sharing an opinion piece!
You should probably reevaluate why you cringe at the idea of holding politicians accountable in the midst of being valorized.
All you need to do to get people's support is have a pretty face and appear on TV a whole bunch, it seems.
Fair point. My point is purity tests are dumb when compared to and in context of the current Republican Party lead by the orange one.
Purity tests are pretty important if people on the other side are still contributing to needless death!
He was last elected in 2002, that's almost 20 years now. So no, not really.
But if you were willing to engage the thread and refrain from tired meta-commentary about this community you'll see the things Cuomo is doing during this crisis that makes him worthy of scrutiny.
For example he's cutting Medicaid that's gonna hit poor people and POC really hard who are the most vulnerable to this pandemic.
He refused to issue the shelter in place order which resulted in the virus spreading.
He's cut funding to public hospitals before the pandemic which directly lead to lack of PPE for health care workers and ventilators.
furthermore his TVconferences mostly consists of these lame ass graphs. Let's not valorize this dude for being on TV and saying words that makes us feel good
LMAO. Time exists therefore it doesn't count? Stop it. NY can and will elect a republican governor if the conditions are right.
NOTE: NY isn't just NYC. Upstate tends to go red and so does Long Island. I'm not saying it's a 50/50 shot but let's not pretend it can't happen. It will again in your lifetime.
It's easy to like him when you don't have context on how he's a horrible person
Him acting like a leader in a time of crisis is like...bare minimum for any Governor. Meanwhile, Cuomo has literally exacerbated the problems that have made COVID-19 so dangerous in New York, not to mention all the other terrible shit he's done.
Why should people suddenly forget the harm he has done because he's putting on a brave face during this pandemic? Would you say the same thing for Rudy Giuliani?
Sure, recognize he's doing a better job than the federal government about the pandemic. But don't whitewash his record or handwave away all criticism.
I think the concept of "purity politics" invoked in such a way is cancerous on political discussions. I would reframe from that sorta of thinking and try to at least properly contextualize criticisms and concerns people have. When you invoke purity politics in a context like this you're basically saying "it could be worse" and that's useless to any sort of productive discourse
Goddamn so many of you showing your asses on Cuomo holy shit. Here's a suggestion: if you don't know anything about the subject...maybe don't share your uninformed opinion on it while also ragging on the people who have direct experience with the subject in question?
People just like the way he presents himself during briefings and have very little if any knowledge about his career as governor. Plenty of people didn't even know about him until a few weeks ago.
When someone says "I like Cuomo" they most likely really mean "I like the way he presents himself during this pandemic." If you want to back him as a politician then it's best to actually look into his career as a politician and don't let a few weeks form your opinion.
When someone says "I like Cuomo" they most likely really mean "I like the way he presents himself during this pandemic." If you want to back him as a politician then it's best to actually look into his career as a politician and don't let a few weeks form your opinion.
i was wondering why there was all this talk of cuomo being presidential from libs. tho it does honestly speak to how shit biden is as the face of the party that centrists are trying to make this guy a thing. also their complete lack of principles but we've known about that aspect for a while now.
not even a pretty face lol. dude looks like he's melting right before our faces.
This but unironically.
Unless this was unironic, in which case I agree.
Clearly posting valid criticisms of policies that have directly negatively affected people is just "tearing people down". As a politician, your job first and foremost should be to serve the people, not make impressive speeches. Cuomo is doing the opposite.
It's funny how everyone who is complaining about this, excluding one person, isn't actually refuting the points made in the article. I get the feeling they would be fine with Trump if he wasn't such an arsehole and was sutble enough in his sexism and corruption for it to be handwaved.
All it takes to get support nowadays is lookIng decent on tv. As a people who spend a lot of time watching tv, we care more about narrative than truth.
The country is more polarized than ever. There's 0 chance a Republican wins a governorship in NY unless we put up a complete incompetent idiot. You just can't compare the post-9/11 landscape to this.
NYC elected two republicans as mayor back to back. One of which got 3 terms!
Massachusetts has a Republican governor and its PVI is the same as NY's.
"Yes, Democrats, yes. Tear down your own. Saves us the trouble..."
Literally the only reason Cuomo isn't openly a Republican is that he couldn't get elected in NY state if he was.
There was a circle of faux-Dems in state government he used to rely on to excuse why he couldn't do progressive things, and guess what? When they lost their seats he still didn't. Cuz he doesn't want to.
I don't live in the USA but watch tune in every day for his daily press briefings. He comes across as a great leader and highly likeable. If you don't want him, I wish he could be our leader.
Do you see the issue with judging someone solely on press briefings while knowing nothing else about them?
I lived in NYC under Cuomo. Still stand by liking him and since I was a NY resident, I guess I'm informed!
Obviously wasn't talking about you; was referring specifically to people coming into this thread simultaneously proclaiming their ignorance of Cuomo's record and suggesting that criticism of said record was unwarranted based on...presumably nothing?
Since you are so informed...you wanna defend his Medicaid cuts? His formation and support of IDC in the state legislature?
I mean, he went on The Daily and was like NY doesn't need to shelter in place.Pretty much.
Gov. Cuomo says he won't approve coronavirus 'shelter-in-place' order for New York City after mayor tells residents to prepare
Cuomo said that such drastic policies would create more fear amid the COVID-19 outbreak, which has now infected more than 6,500 people across the U.S. and killed at least 115, according to Johns Hopkins University.www.cnbc.com
He's having his limelight because he's one of the few acting like a leader but in reality he's just been bad before this all started.
Then the fucking bomb went off.
He's spinning, but making it worse if he's trying to cap off Medicaid in this time of need.
Nope. But I live in IL now and am an advocate of the State undergoing bankruptcy because of the pension obligation being a shackle around our neck, so probably not the most judgmental of a governor making a hard decision to balance a deficit, lol.
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I guess putting people's lives in danger while others die makes him a likable guy. Your fellow citizens lives matter. He shouldn't get a pass for allowing this to reach an extreme. Demand better politicians and accountability. He's not going to be removed from office if you criticize him but at least you can try to change his ways for the better by shedding a light on his policies.
John Riley on Twitter
“Gov. Cuomo seems to be in denial in claiming “no one ever anticipated” this ventilator shortage and saying he would never triage. On left, his 2015 report projects 15783 shortage in “severe” scenario. On right, says plan is to “allocate” scarce ventilators, not “purchasing” more.”
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So you aren't going to defend it openly but are going to low-key defend by suggesting cutting Medicaid during a pandemic is necessary for balancing a deficit. Yup, about what I expected.
Criticism is fine but folks already trying to invalidate the dude as a politician that could be in the mix. Which I think is imprudent given what we currently have in the White House.
I think the respective bubbles are more polarized than the general voting populace. Step back from it for a moment and really look around. The right republican could always win in NY.
Correct. Which is why I'd never say it couldn't happen again. Im just saying I don't have a crystal ball.
He's a dick and looks amazing when compared to Trump. Only reason why people are think well of him.
His stupid feud with de Blasio has caused problems before but not wanting to issue a lock down and Medicaid cuts is disgusting.
Native NY'er. I think he's bad.
For fuck's sake people "purity testing" Cuomo isn't even an issue here, he's not running in an election at the moment so nobody is "cancelling" Cuomo or whatever dumb buzz words people like to use to deflect criticism. It's very important to keep in check we shouldn't swoon over politicians for looking good on TV while completely ignoring the substance behind the presentation, you'd think we'd learn after the last NY hero, "America's Mayor" Rudy Giuliani.
Simply commending him for his presentation isn't the issue here, he very much is doing a good public job and nobody will or at least should attack you for appreciating that in a time where America's leaders are failing so hard to do the same. But at the same time it's entirely fair game to look beyond this isolated action and remind people of the man's entirety, and especially of his own failures in the early developments of this pandemic that he's now taking a spotlight in action.
Simply commending him for his presentation isn't the issue here, he very much is doing a good public job and nobody will or at least should attack you for appreciating that in a time where America's leaders are failing so hard to do the same. But at the same time it's entirely fair game to look beyond this isolated action and remind people of the man's entirety, and especially of his own failures in the early developments of this pandemic that he's now taking a spotlight in action.
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This is a good post.
Also not surprised this thread is filled with people downplaying Cuomo's very recent crappy past, and more than a few are the same people who were in the other threads downplaying Biden's bullshit.
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