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Still waiting on that 'MGS2/Gears of War/The Order 1886 this is next gen' moment
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I think at some point we'll have to get more used to the idea that there will be fewer and fewer games available that will really push the power of systems graphically. There will be a few titles developed by AAA studios to really tale advantage of the power, but all the labor and time needed to make it a reality will be prohibitive to doing it for more than one or two games per studio. Don't know if it will be this gen when it happens, but eventually I think we'll have to get used to the idea that next visuals will only be possible for a smaller "handful" of games and being more comfortable with idea of the majority of games being technically possible in lower powered systems.
For me it was the combination of fast loading great graphics at 60fps and duelsense feedback that blew me away in Ratchet and Horizon.
I was honestly pretty fed up with the limitations of last gen so i'm more that happy for what we got and think it's much better that what a typical next gen offer (usually better graphics at 30fps)
I was honestly pretty fed up with the limitations of last gen so i'm more that happy for what we got and think it's much better that what a typical next gen offer (usually better graphics at 30fps)
Last gen it was Uncharted 4 for me, which came in 2016. I guess i'll choose "future unnanounced game".
(Ratchet and DS remake look incredible though, but not miles away from other games)
(Ratchet and DS remake look incredible though, but not miles away from other games)
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Instead of insulting me, why not actually look at the screenshots? I simply don't find them particularly impressive, they're not a good showcase for the game and its claim to being that next gen moment.
I really can't wait for PSVR2. I've been holding off on getting a VR set until then.
I did not insult you man, and I did look at the screenshots. Thing is, youre just casually ignoring that next gen games are running much, much better than anything on last gen right now. Ignoring that the best looking PS4 games are running at 1080/30 vs 4k60 should explain why you dont find next gen games that impressive.
Very few games arent hitting at least one those targets on next gen, the Matrix UE5 demo is one that comes to mind.
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I have and it's a very good looking game, most certainly not last gen but I still don't think it's that moment but each to their own.
I think it's kinda obvious you haven't played the game tho. Saying it looks last gen is a joke and you're understandably getting clowned on for it. Your examples of next gen feels for the last 3 gens are two bad games and one good game, and none of them had even passable performance.
Agreed. It looks more or less like TLoU2. In motion, TLoU2 is better because of the insane animations. I did play the game. It kind of sucks that most of the incredible geometry on the cobbled structures also disappears with 60FPS.
Sure it's 60FPS but that's really not a next-gen benchmark. It definitely couldn't look and run like this on a PS4 Pro but of what you listed they are clearly jaw-dropping moments that came across from even low-res screenshots back in the day.
IMO UE5 Matrix and MSFS comes kind of close but I don't think we are going to reach the same level. Games look great most of the time because of immense effort going into assets and designing not because of tech. A well baked GI solution like in aforementioned TLoU2 can do wonders. The last generation was incredibly well balanced and designed hardware and it also had the advantage to come after a really long generation. Right now the big jaw-dropper in tech is RTGI and anything that incorporates it. And for that the current generation might not be enough. If some technology could drastically improve asset and level/character design it could shake things up. Right now we've hit the limit with RDR2s and TLoU2s.
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yeh, i fully get games like Ratchet, Forza and HFW look great but it was never that NEXT GEN leap from the previous games. I think the closest so far that is actually playable is the matrix demo, but yeh just a demo.
I think the last Hellblade 2 showing looks phenomenal as well, if they can tweak some of the jank that might be the first game that really wows me.
I think the last Hellblade 2 showing looks phenomenal as well, if they can tweak some of the jank that might be the first game that really wows me.
Eh, there are already games out that look at least as good or better visually than most on that list, Hellblade 2 aside. Ratchet and Clank for instance, or Cyberpunk 2077 with full RT on PC. As for upcoming games though, it is could be FFXVI for me, that looks incredible. More impressive than anything on the OP's list for me.
Of the games on the list though, while I think GoW could be most visually pleasing, Hellblade 2 is probably looks most impressive - although the character model and lighting so far has impressed me least. Starfield probably impressed me most technically which is surprising. The scale combined with the asset quality looks surprisingly good.
Because the fidelity of the game is super impressive. I played it alongside Gears of War on PC, and it is big level above that game from a pure graphics perspective.
Of the games on the list though, while I think GoW could be most visually pleasing, Hellblade 2 is probably looks most impressive - although the character model and lighting so far has impressed me least. Starfield probably impressed me most technically which is surprising. The scale combined with the asset quality looks surprisingly good.
Because the fidelity of the game is super impressive. I played it alongside Gears of War on PC, and it is big level above that game from a pure graphics perspective.
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What is "it"? I'm not making anything out to be right now. It's you who is claiming that DeS is "next gen".
....I mean yeah.
That's an opinion.
OP you're using the word "fidelity" a lot. Are you willing to define what you mean so we're all on the same page.
I mean it was clear to me they look better, so that qualifies to me but okay. The 60 fps on console contributes a lot too and counts to how good they look.
I don't know, I think the standard of what constitutes as a complete, total "next gen moment" has risen so high that it's only going to come from a developer that has both the technical and artistic talent, finances, and time to produce what you're asking for in a modern climate. Many of the things that blew us away with previous iterations of technology have become standardised and the toolsets available to developers allow easer implementation of incredible effects and fidelity.
For me personally, primarily playing on PC, it's the incremental improvements and specific tech leaps that appear "next gen" to me. Stuff like the Market of Light tech demo, Matrix tech demo, and Flight Simulator all demonstrate technology that is simply unfeasible on last generation hardware and exhibit incredible leaps of modern architecture and networking. Flight Sim's outstanding draw distance, volumetric clouds, and insane topographical density as a combined effort of hand made assets and procedural tech is about as nextgen as it gets. The Matrix UE5 is maybe the nicest, or most believably cinematic looking, real time tech demo in existence. And while Market of Light certainly isn't the best looking thing on the market, it's an amazing demonstration of how UE5's nanite can improve LOD management while retaining immaculate image quality and detail. And then, of course, all the ray tracing stuff that games are doing.
For me personally, primarily playing on PC, it's the incremental improvements and specific tech leaps that appear "next gen" to me. Stuff like the Market of Light tech demo, Matrix tech demo, and Flight Simulator all demonstrate technology that is simply unfeasible on last generation hardware and exhibit incredible leaps of modern architecture and networking. Flight Sim's outstanding draw distance, volumetric clouds, and insane topographical density as a combined effort of hand made assets and procedural tech is about as nextgen as it gets. The Matrix UE5 is maybe the nicest, or most believably cinematic looking, real time tech demo in existence. And while Market of Light certainly isn't the best looking thing on the market, it's an amazing demonstration of how UE5's nanite can improve LOD management while retaining immaculate image quality and detail. And then, of course, all the ray tracing stuff that games are doing.
Didn't your fidelity tangent just start on page 2? You were talking about next gen experiences before you took your goalpost and ran off with it. If you make a thread about next gen experiences, people are going to talk about video games my dude.
You know what, you're right. The density vertical scale of that demo was something to behold
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Stop getting so defensive over me calling obviously terrible DS screenshots terrible.
Next gen for me hasn't been purely fidelity for a while, so Rift Apart running St around 100fps with no load times AND looking good on top was a next gen moment for me. Demon's Souls for just looks was already there, despite not liking some artistic choices in there.
I've not played it, but looking at screenshots, Demon's Souls really doesn't look all that different to Gears 5, especially Gears 5 on an XSX.
I think that if said "next gen" moment happens it'll be entirely subjective based on every person though.
It's not just that diminishing returns are something we should acknowledge, but that this generation is more than just raw power. There's gonna be SSD loading times and potential for new game design (Ratchet and Clank), there's gonna be ray tracing, there's gonna be the ability to run games that look similar but running smoothly etc etc.
Like if im being honest, Elden Ring already felt like "that moment" to me. It wasn't the most graphically intensive game by any means, there are PS4 games that look better than that, but the perceived smoothness playing on my Series X at that level of fidelity just felt incredible and it was great but in spite of that I didn't really notice at first. I noticed it when the TV where my Series X is connected was in use so I played upstairs on my 1X. And honestly, the 1X version was a noticeably rough 30ish FPS that felt sluggish and looked noticeably worse while also taking much longer to load the game, where it really made the XSX feel next gen in a way I hadn't thought of it as before.
I think that if said "next gen" moment happens it'll be entirely subjective based on every person though.
It's not just that diminishing returns are something we should acknowledge, but that this generation is more than just raw power. There's gonna be SSD loading times and potential for new game design (Ratchet and Clank), there's gonna be ray tracing, there's gonna be the ability to run games that look similar but running smoothly etc etc.
Like if im being honest, Elden Ring already felt like "that moment" to me. It wasn't the most graphically intensive game by any means, there are PS4 games that look better than that, but the perceived smoothness playing on my Series X at that level of fidelity just felt incredible and it was great but in spite of that I didn't really notice at first. I noticed it when the TV where my Series X is connected was in use so I played upstairs on my 1X. And honestly, the 1X version was a noticeably rough 30ish FPS that felt sluggish and looked noticeably worse while also taking much longer to load the game, where it really made the XSX feel next gen in a way I hadn't thought of it as before.
FFXVI should also be in the OP list I reckon. Lighting, detail, asset quality across scale, and modelling looks excellent. The level of detail on the Eikon's especially is utterly absurd. I would like to know what poly counts they are using, because it looks even higher than the dinorobos in Horizon...
Demons, R&C, H:FW, Flight Sim and C2077 at max settings are great examples of "phase 1" next gen games. Also, The Matrix tech demo was a huge generational leap but it will take time before full games get there specially considering the pandemic delayed everything.
Yeah, Ratchet is up there. And look, the whole scene swapping thing isn't overly mind blowing to me; a shitload of other games have done dual world-state dynamic swapping before and just as well. Titanfall 2 and Dishonored 2 come to mind. And in both those games I found the implementation and technology more impressive than Ratchet by virtue of letting you swap on the fly and interact with much more of each world-state. In Ratchet it was a pretty weak, if visually impressive gimmick.
But the actual asset quality and rendering engine backing Ratchet is fucking unreal. Some stages looked markedly better than others, but the overall asset and rendering quality is leaps is leaps and bounds over last gen.
But the actual asset quality and rendering engine backing Ratchet is fucking unreal. Some stages looked markedly better than others, but the overall asset and rendering quality is leaps is leaps and bounds over last gen.