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Steven Universe Mafia |OT| We'll always save the day
- Thread starter Dr. Monkey
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Well theres only one way to do it
"That's why the people of this world..."
"Believe in..."
I literally claimed on D2 after I used my power. I also voted for malus and one of the votes you're holding against me is a day I said I couldn't play much due to real life.
I have lied about my power exactly once. That was lying about the even/odd day thing.
Because your power is also tied to the fate of two different players as well, yes? I'm calling bullshit on that. I am also a fused character and my power has no such restrictions on it. Frankly, your explanation of how it works seems far too convoluted considering everything we've seen in this game so far.
Well first you said you lost one shot with each of your halves, then that you could only vote on certain days, then that you had no shots at all
I never said I was x-shot.
I said that I lost my even day kill with Connie dead. I was trying to attract a night kill because I misunderstood the lightning rod. That is the one and only lie I made about my power.
Exodus you've been lying a lot, but b-dubs a lie just to kill Exodus would result in your immediate death, and considering how far into the game we are that could be bad for you as a scum.
Both of you are sketchy but also in a terrible position to lie
Both of you are sketchy but also in a terrible position to lie
Hell, I'd have killed WSD before malus replaced them if I had a shot left. My big regret in this game is going meatwad over WSD.
I actually did a big read over Stan last night, and it honestly doesn't look great for him. When I looked at his interactions with scum that have already flipped, this is what I found.
Oreo and Stan never once interacted, and the only read that exists between them is Oreo saying that Stan is a null read.
It's not that odd that Oreo didn't have an opinion on Stan as he hasn't been in contention most of the game, but it is odd to me that Stan never mentioned Oreo at all in the game despite the many times that people have voiced suspicion or weirdness about Oreo and has also never given us a comprehensive reads list that I can find.
However, beyond that, I wanted to take a closer look at WhySoDevious's posts in the context of Oreo's flip and what I noticed is that WSD voted for both Oreo and Stan with somewhat flimsy reasoning. The other vote that WSD was on Chuggernaut, and that was a very reluctant vote that they only placed once they realized it might be able to save Oreo.
That Stan vote came in the last 15 minutes of Day End at a time where WeeMadArthur was leading with 5 votes, and Stan was at 2 due to the double vote from Exodus. As far as I can see Stan never talked about WSD until he was out of the game and just said he never felt great about him while questioning Malus. There's enough weirdness and trying to create what feels like artificial distance with Stan that I want to hear more him.
Vote: Stantastic
I...you...shit! You beat me to it! I was about to do a cool movie twist read on Stan.
Sigh, well, I guess I'll throw in my evidence
Stan you didn't actually get around to committing to nin until a train formed for oreo as a preemptive measure to save your friend
You went to sleep while neon was still a valid option. Like oreo you didn't guess that it would turn around so quickly, and therefore was bot around to help him establish a better alibi and he panicked
And you've been trying to win sawneeks favor all game. You knew she was a town and probably a skilled player in these games. You wanted to stay on her good side so she'd continue to confirm you. That's why you sacrificed Zeke, because she was already onto him and you wanted to get ahead of it to cement your place as her confirmed town read
Sigh, well, I guess I'll throw in my evidence
Stan you didn't actually get around to committing to nin until a train formed for oreo as a preemptive measure to save your friend
You went to sleep while neon was still a valid option. Like oreo you didn't guess that it would turn around so quickly, and therefore was bot around to help him establish a better alibi and he panicked
And you've been trying to win sawneeks favor all game. You knew she was a town and probably a skilled player in these games. You wanted to stay on her good side so she'd continue to confirm you. That's why you sacrificed Zeke, because she was already onto him and you wanted to get ahead of it to cement your place as her confirmed town read
That's why WSD's and oreos reads on you were so weak. You were the scum sent to keep your distance from the others while WSD and oreo double teamed nin and Zeke drew attention. You were the one meant to survive by hanging back, weren't you...
Vote: Stantastic
Compelling evidence, actually... How could you wear Pearl's fake face and do this?
Compelling evidence, actually... How could you wear Pearl's fake face and do this?
Oreo mentioned he "protected" exo the night before. Perhaps they tried to kill him again but failed.
Maybe, but oreo's alibi wasn't well crafted. Reki likely aimed for someone else N2 and hit exo by accident. Not sure about the other one.
I don't think they went for me. Oreo would have been too easy to counter-claim if someone else had protected me. Unless scum was trying to fish out the doctor.
Did you ever get role blocked after Zeke was lynched? Do you get notified when you did?
Been dealing with ISP problems so I haven't been able to play on desktop which is where I prefer to play lol. Been going to job interviews all day today so I haven't been able to read the thread yet. Let me get back and I'll try to be more active
His role is a day role so it wouldn't matter unless sawneeks gave him a 3rd thing
Because Reki's power is to role block and protect someone. I was trying to see if Oreo was lying when he implied you were targeted.
Good luck, Chugg.
Oh right, I probably would have gotten a notification.
No, I wasn't role blocked or protected. Could be Reki role blocked the actual mafia killer, hence scum's need to get rid of her.
If that was the case I presume Reki would have put out a breadcrumb of some kind (at the very least). That's big intel.
Stan does fit my theory that no one on scum team was around when Oreo made his onion claim. Stan went to sleep.
I went looking for Reki breadcrumbs
This is right after the Night 3 no-kill
So, one shot could have been used then but we also had the lightning rod, so there wasn't any reason to speak up about it clearly.
I couldn't find any other breadcrumbs on deathless nights from Reki in particular, so I don't think they knew anything for sure.
This is an older post that I found where it seems a little more obvious that Reki's role is protective, but they raise a good point here. We've all been assuming that Steven is in the game and that he's a Doctor or Protector of some kind, how likely do we think that is after a Jailer showed up that both role blocks and protects?
This is right after the Night 3 no-kill
So, one shot could have been used then but we also had the lightning rod, so there wasn't any reason to speak up about it clearly.
I couldn't find any other breadcrumbs on deathless nights from Reki in particular, so I don't think they knew anything for sure.
This is an older post that I found where it seems a little more obvious that Reki's role is protective, but they raise a good point here. We've all been assuming that Steven is in the game and that he's a Doctor or Protector of some kind, how likely do we think that is after a Jailer showed up that both role blocks and protects?
Of the three Exodus mentioned, I would rather get rid of Kong and Dubs before Stan if I'm being honest. I still think my theory that scum was trying to set up both Stan and Saw on day 1 is accurate. That's also a dangerous bus from Devious if Stan is scum (Although Devious had some...odd play.)
I'm not super inclined to say this clears Z-Beat either. That could of easily been an emergency bus because Oreo was just a goon and the Neon wagon was starting to get some push back. I do think he looks better then he did, but I'm not going to call that a town read yet.
Exodus, Neon, and Ketkat are strong towns for me. Loki is less so, but I'm still confident she's town.
I'm not super inclined to say this clears Z-Beat either. That could of easily been an emergency bus because Oreo was just a goon and the Neon wagon was starting to get some push back. I do think he looks better then he did, but I'm not going to call that a town read yet.
Exodus, Neon, and Ketkat are strong towns for me. Loki is less so, but I'm still confident she's town.
Alright. Updated read lists time.
Lean town:
TheChuggernaut: Focusing on Oreo for more than half of the game leads me to believe that Chuggs is definitively town.
KetKat: Cop check kinda leads me to believe that Ket is town (unless there is a Godfather in the scum team).
Exodus: Has been constantly accused by members of scum over multiple days. If Exo was really scum, that tactic would be suicidal IMO.
Lokiduck:Active and was also heavily focused on Oreo.
Null reads:
B-Dubs: We know of his power and has just confirmed that it was a 1-shot. The coyness of before was perhaps in order to fish for a nightkill? Unsure as of now.
Queen Kong: Claims to be pearl. Erratic and reactionary behavior as of now.
Z-Beat: Claims to be Greg. Vote on Oreo could have been late game bussing.
Lean scum:
Stantastic: Relatively low activity (pot, meet kettle) combined with what the others have said above leads me to put you in here. However, I'm against turboing someone who hasn't even been able to defend himself, so I'm abstaining from any votes now.
Lean town:
TheChuggernaut: Focusing on Oreo for more than half of the game leads me to believe that Chuggs is definitively town.
KetKat: Cop check kinda leads me to believe that Ket is town (unless there is a Godfather in the scum team).
Exodus: Has been constantly accused by members of scum over multiple days. If Exo was really scum, that tactic would be suicidal IMO.
Lokiduck:Active and was also heavily focused on Oreo.
Null reads:
B-Dubs: We know of his power and has just confirmed that it was a 1-shot. The coyness of before was perhaps in order to fish for a nightkill? Unsure as of now.
Queen Kong: Claims to be pearl. Erratic and reactionary behavior as of now.
Z-Beat: Claims to be Greg. Vote on Oreo could have been late game bussing.
Lean scum:
Stantastic: Relatively low activity (pot, meet kettle) combined with what the others have said above leads me to put you in here. However, I'm against turboing someone who hasn't even been able to defend himself, so I'm abstaining from any votes now.
I figured it would be better if they went for me instead of someone who still had a power. Plus, I figured it would be an obvious target that a doctor could take advantage of.
Now I imagine they kept me alive so you could all scum read me as the game continued on and I stayed around.
Yeah, I'm not buying this. Scum would of had no idea how many shots you had. Sure they could of taken a gamble to see if you hit town again, but that just seems like a risky move for a scum team
If B-dubs is town, then scum would know that. What are the odds that a Town DayVig will have more than one shot if we're being honest here? I don't think they were overly concerned and would avoid hitting him because a doctor could try to protect him
No idea. The only game where I saw a day vig with more than one shot was when the day vig was scum. I'm still not inclined to write it off as a town role though. I had never seen a scum double voter before my last game either, and just assuming that was town let them stick around for way too long.
That's fair. I'm not sure I'd want to flip B-dubs for that just yet though. Speaking of claims though, you haven't claimed anything yet have you Chuggernaut? I'm just double checking my notes and I want to make sure I didn't miss anything
If I was lying shouldn't I pick an obscure character that's surely town? Like another vending machine or Greg, Steven's dad.
That was my first thought, but scum are sometimes provided with claims so it doesn't give you a pass completely. Still, I'd wager on the side of you being town for now.
honestly, I've seen crazier. But you have a fair point in that claiming an obviously town character (in the context of this game), would be risky for scum to do.