Pretty much this. Of course Ubisoft saying this now that they are either raking in the 100% profits thru one store and 88% profits thru another store. EGS coming to fruition was the out they needed and it worked for them.
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Steam's Business Model Is "Unrealistic," Ubisoft Executive Says
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Pretty much this. Of course Ubisoft saying this now that they are either raking in the 100% profits thru one store and 88% profits thru another store. EGS coming to fruition was the out they needed and it worked for them.
What are they going to say to Sony or MS, we wont release our games on Xbox or Playstation? Where is there leverage?
Surely Uplay's splits must be pretty generous, seeing as you say this. Could you share UPlay's business model - given that it host 3rd-party games as well?
This line of thinking is exactly what created Uplay, right? This news article feels not only manufactured, but a decade late.
I fucking love it when people so blatantly expose their own ignorance.
At a certain scale, it's just cheaper to run your own launcher/storefront. Problem for Ubi is that they've never been good at it. They really have no business telling Valve how to operate as they have 1.) profited handsomely from Steam's distributional reach and 2.) Have always had what is universally recognized as the worst launcher.
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you literally sound like a epic games pr with this post, i can tell you nothing will change if steam/valve change their revenue split apart from them getting fucked over unlike most others who take the same split.
if epic can offer the revenue split they do why hasnt that changed the console business ? please tell me why all of sudden steam offering the same split will suddenly cause change when epic split didnt or others already like itch
There it is. At the end of the day, Steam, as much as it marketed itself as the "official form of PC gaming", is not really on the level of the console manufacturers. It's just a store. A very historically significant one, yes, but so was Kmart.
Couldn't agree more. At the end of the day, it sounds like the same bullcrap trickle down economics Epic have been peddling since this stuff started.
If you are going to call me a shill for something that wasn't even mentioned in that post at all, then we are never speaking again.
Ubi wants more money, that's why they're pushing on this. That's all they care about.
you literally said that ? meaning if steam change their split consoles will get pressured ? im asking why, when theres already markets who do so like epic games ?
Please show us all Valve's marketing campaigns where it positioned itself as the "official form of PC gaming". Please also explain how they "aren't on the level of the console manufacturers" when Valve also make and sell hardware and somehow also operate a superior online service to console manufacturers without somehow imposing subscription costs on customers.
Publishers are putting pressure on everyone re. revenue splits.
Negotiations on licensing agreements for the new Sony/MS platforms would be in full swing at the moment, I'm guessing and you can be sure it's a big topic of conversation. Sony, in an earnings call, marked it out as a risk factor.
Things like Stadia are probably being used as leverage - indeed I recall reading one analyst on Twitter reporting chatter from E3, wherein people at publishers he spoke to where less interested in Stadia in its own right, but more as a bargaining chip in negotiations with the existing platforms.
Negotiations on licensing agreements for the new Sony/MS platforms would be in full swing at the moment, I'm guessing and you can be sure it's a big topic of conversation. Sony, in an earnings call, marked it out as a risk factor.
Things like Stadia are probably being used as leverage - indeed I recall reading one analyst on Twitter reporting chatter from E3, wherein people at publishers he spoke to where less interested in Stadia in its own right, but more as a bargaining chip in negotiations with the existing platforms.
Except for indie developer(I think Steam should offer better condition to them) I really don't care about the money that goes to shareholders. Fuck this "people who make games" notion.
Because pushing consoles on their cut is the endgame for this
"Hey, we get this amount on PC, why don't we get it here? You should follow what they're doing or we may think about things heehee haha xd"
The big pubs always push on this stuff until the end of time
How massive are we talking about, have you looked at the profits both companies operate at nowadays thanks to subscriptions and in game purchases. How come we still have this image of console makers as paupers......this line of thinking is archaic and needs to change.
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you get considerably more out of the 30% cut from a console manufacturer than from steam. console manufacturers not only give you the digital distribution platform/social services/storefront/etc., but also, you know, the hardware platform. low-level developer and publisher support. dev tools. the amount of outreach and support that nintendo/sony/ms provide to third parties is completely incomparable to steam.
also all this talk about "they're just greedy and want more money" - yeah, no shit. so does valve. so does epic. so does literally every big business, ever. none of these companies are your friends. everyone involved in this is out for themselves, not you. don't forget it.
also all this talk about "they're just greedy and want more money" - yeah, no shit. so does valve. so does epic. so does literally every big business, ever. none of these companies are your friends. everyone involved in this is out for themselves, not you. don't forget it.
Also Indie developers that want to launch simultaneously on multiple storefronts to reach more customers. Fuck them also. Exclusive or we don't have the bandwidth for you for a couple years... although we did had the bandwidth for you in our unsolicited email after we watched your trailer just a moment ago.
the end game for most publishers ea ubi take two acti will most certainly be subscription based stuff like ea access and stuff. thats where stuff like split wont be affected.
the split stuff is just a tired tactic from epic that people seem to be latching onto and using hypothetical situations to defend against it when its a tradtional split in every industry not just video games. even sites like onlyfans and stuff take a revenue split between 20 - 30% it isnt a new concept to dogpile steam with. and people saying if steam lowers there split we will stop this or that is just spouting lies
It going to be interesting when MS and Sony cloud services fully running along with them selling hardware .
If Stadia fail to take off as fast as some of the companies thinking there bargaining chip won't mean much in the short term .
"It isn't fair to us! We can't make any money! Pay us more."
The last bit is the only thing Ubi actually cares about, lol
This happens pretty consistently as new gens start ramping up too. Like every 4-5 years this comes up again and again
Is this basically confirmation that Ubi are done with Steam?
Honestly I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner in light of EA going Origin only so long ago. I guess EGS is a compromise for them in getting higher revenue split and still retaining some storefront visibility
Honestly I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner in light of EA going Origin only so long ago. I guess EGS is a compromise for them in getting higher revenue split and still retaining some storefront visibility
Well you see it's because... something, something... we can't sell our games through our own launcher on consoles.
That's why.
This is completely internalised marketing bullshit from people who for some reason need to justify the continued existence of walled-off hardware platforms. Imagine using this same line of defence to maintain the existence of betamax.
Fewer walled-off hardware platforms would be a net gain for everyone except... the operators of walled-off hardware platforms.
Ummmm, you might wanna take a more indepth look at what steam has now become and what it currently offers devs, also you might wanna also look into why steam has more game releases than nintendo/sony/ms even though they according to you provide more third party support.
Nah, probably not. EA went nuclear a decade ago but Ubi still puts smaller titles on there. They'll probably hash this out later, but now we have to deal with this nonsense for a while
ITT - Folks who think that Steam was pulled from thin air and have remained the same since 2004.
weird i don't see anyone saying how unprofessional this is
they keep releasing games there so no probably not
Valve also don't release hardware either, since the Index and Steam controller were apparently just collective hallucinations.
Might work if they charge 18% more on steam to make up the difference. $75? Im sure there'd be no outrage AT ALL over that...
I feel like all of this talk around how Ubisoft treats PC is just an excuse for Ubisoft to effectively* go uPlay exclusive, which was probably their plan all along.
*I say "effectively", because while they still do release smaller games on Steam and their bigger titles are on EGS, uPlay is almost certainly the vast majority of their PC revenue nowadays.
*I say "effectively", because while they still do release smaller games on Steam and their bigger titles are on EGS, uPlay is almost certainly the vast majority of their PC revenue nowadays.
Yeah Valve has put hundreds of millions of R&D dollars into those alone, especially the Index, people shouldn't forget about that.
It's essentially Mexican Standoff mode right now with console makers, PC, and pubs. Pubs want that cut reduced severely and they want to make one of the other two jump, and set a new standard rate they can force on the other.
Because then people would choose to buy it on Steam and apparently we can't have that.
There is no way around that on consoles, unless you just don't release the game. PC is an open market.
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Do you guys have goldfish memories? This was discussed alot before we migrated from NEOgaf for years.
Only Wajna is correct to point out that Stadia uses the same model as Steam who both were inspired by Apple. Consoles charge significantly less. Retailers charge close to 70/30 and take on way more risk doing this.
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SO that was 2010 but here we have the first major attempt at game streaming disclosing their own research on prices breakdown of a retail game at the time and it is clearly brick and mortars that charged a lot and they usually end up putting many games in the bargain bin.
Do you guys have goldfish memories? This was discussed alot before we migrated from NEOgaf for years.
Only Wajna is correct to point out that Stadia uses the same model as Steam who both were inspired by Apple. Consoles charge significantly less. Retailers charge close to 70/30 and take on way more risk doing this.
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SO that was 2010 but here we have the first major attempt at game streaming disclosing their own research on prices breakdown of a retail game at the time and it is clearly brick and mortars that charged a lot and they usually end up putting many games in the bargain bin.
Stadia might turn out to be a dud, and nowhere near the disruptor some have been expecting, but as long as there's a whiff of disruption in the air, or as long as publishers pick up on 'worry' among existing platform holders, from their point of view it's worth leaning on that in negotiations. And Stadia, at least a few months ago, definitely looked like it was stirring things up and had incumbents on their toes. Luckily for publishers, this has coincided with new platform negotiations.
That's absolutely true. During that big Epic game sale I bought a couple of UbiSoft titles for really cheap and once I activated them I just played them on the Uplay and completely ignored the Epic Game Store. I basically used EGS as a coupon and nothing more.
Except it's factually not just a store. Nor is it just a launcher and a store. It's a big technology platform, it's a lot to explain.
And show me where valve marketed themselves as the official form of PC gaming lol. Try to tighten it up a bit.
So we give consoles a monopolistic excuse because they have hardware?