Yeah I wasn't thinking any time soon, maybe in several years if they're starting to move on from Apex Legends.
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Steam is on a roll
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I game on Windows all the time on multiple computers and don't have these major issues
Sounds like user error
I already have it on Origin, but I was almost willing to double-dip for a clean Steam implementation. I guess it's pointless.
Epic's strategy is to spend millions moneyhatting games using finite money that will eventually run out to force people to use their client, and is hated by the PC community because of that.
Steam's strategy is to actually make people want to use their client, and the PC community loves it.
I wonder who's going to do better in the long term. :)
Steam's strategy is to actually make people want to use their client, and the PC community loves it.
I wonder who's going to do better in the long term. :)
Good news for you is that it is the same pool of players, so you can enjoy more people playing online modes :)
It's absolutely crazy for sure and I love it. I'm not buying another game if it's not available DRM-free, on Battle.net or Steam.
It's fine to offer your game on your own platform, but also including it on Steam is a no brainer. I hate when companies lock games behind their platform for x amount of time - just release it at least on steam and other storefronts so you get the widest audience!
It's fine to offer your game on your own platform, but also including it on Steam is a no brainer. I hate when companies lock games behind their platform for x amount of time - just release it at least on steam and other storefronts so you get the widest audience!
It's really quite impressive, a crystal-clear message to the entire industry.
Yeah also ppl really should do a clean install from time to time or at least fresh start or something like that. I know several ppl who complain about their PC's all the time and they still have the same windows install since they upgraded from windows 7 and install crappy malware ridden apps and shit like that.
Very few titles for anyone are must have titles.
Rather then following the games, it's probably much more likely that you as a a dev/publisher will lose the customer if you add any hurdle for them buying your game. And adding a new client, new server depencies and new credentials with a new 2FA is very much a hurdle if you're not very invested in the title.
But put the game on the customers prefered store, and add a discount, and you have a good chance of getting them back.
I don't think Epic truly understands the customers it is trying to court, which isn't surprising since just a few years ago they considered PC gaming a dying platform.
The best ever, in my opinion. I've been gaming on PC since the late 80s and this is by far my favorite era.
I just chose Half Life 2 as an example. Literally all of Valve's games are only on Steam and newer ones don't even get physical releases. It is absolutely a form of exclusivity and it's how Steam was able to get off the ground and it has helped push the platform further.
I hate the idea of exclusivity as much as the next person, but from a business perspective it tends to work more often than not. Content is and has always been king.
The Epic Store, Origin, etc are also despised because they are crap. No one complains about GOG's or Itch's exclusivity because they actually work.
it seems that companies are realizing that to create an online store front client with all the feature, that are already in steam, is a big task, and costs a lot of money. every now and then there's a company who tries, to some degree of success.
now that EA decided to go back to steam, i think it shows that it's not that easy as they thought, or they just decided that it's not worth the hassle/inverstment/constant support.
one thing i do recognize though - every time there's a big company attempt to separate themselves from the steam echo system, valve steps up the game, and begins to improve the QOL of the store, and pays more attention to what needs to be fixed/improved. if this is the result, then i suggest to create an online aggregator of steam dissatisfaction, which will see how many people aren't happy with steam, and when it reaches a certain threshold, it'll make one of the big companies to part ways with steam, and make them create an independent store front for them
now that EA decided to go back to steam, i think it shows that it's not that easy as they thought, or they just decided that it's not worth the hassle/inverstment/constant support.
one thing i do recognize though - every time there's a big company attempt to separate themselves from the steam echo system, valve steps up the game, and begins to improve the QOL of the store, and pays more attention to what needs to be fixed/improved. if this is the result, then i suggest to create an online aggregator of steam dissatisfaction, which will see how many people aren't happy with steam, and when it reaches a certain threshold, it'll make one of the big companies to part ways with steam, and make them create an independent store front for them
The message seems to be to take Epic's money and then release elsewhere a year later to great success. Wish the whole ordeal wasn't so obnoxious for the end user.
Not really, it is more like people expect a Valve reaction and start to find out some of the changes Valve does in Steam. If we look into it, there wasnt a big difference in updates between 2017 and 2018 or 2019 (2020 seems "loaded" but it has been built over previous year changes).
While it would be nice, nobody is saying that Epic should be required to put Fortnite in Steam. Just like it's amazing that EA finally put their games in a good platform, but nobody was screaming about their games being Origin exclusives. The whataboutism you're using with first party titles is tiring and no one is going to agree with you.
But most importantly, Valve's games used to be for sale in Origin (physically) and in Uplay (they would open Steam just like Ubisoft games open Uplay when launched through Steam). Origin dropped Valve's games when their bad blood started after the DLC stuff, and Ubisoft dropped them when they decided to drop all third party games. So not only is your agument completely stupid even if your affirmation was correct; your affirmation is also incorrect. Congratulations.
While you unfortunately have a point, Epic WILL have to stop moneyhatting games at some point. And when that happens no one is going to be stupid enough to not put their games on Steam.
At least it shows that there's enough people who aren't easily persuaded to buy from Epic, no matter how good your game is, but ready to give you money on Steam. If their games are going to fail on Steam (some do, just look at Hello Neighbor and Ashen) after the end of exclusivity, devs are going to continue to take these deals even more eagerly.
Titanfall 2 on top, amazing.
Currently at 8,500 players right now on Steam alone, MP is really active, makes me so happy.
Currently at 8,500 players right now on Steam alone, MP is really active, makes me so happy.
yeah I have a bs in computer science and have worked as a programmer/ server admin for over 20 years now.. it's me.
forced windows update Have been a constant issue breaking things like RDP which killed my steam streaming for about 2 months because I didn't want to deal with it.
one day my 2080 would just throttle to 4000 rpms after a windows update and didn't get fixed till another update months later.
mk-11 constantly has corrupted files after game updates.
I mean it's not hard to find something recently
Microsoft confirms latest Windows 10 update causes issues with certain games
Earlier this month, Microsoft released Windows 10 KB4482887 to fix Action Center bug, improve performance by enabling Retpoline on certain machines and address other problems. Yesterday, we discovered this Windows 10 cumulative update breaks down some games such as Destiny 2. Today, Microsoft...
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RDP works way better on windows than PlayStation 🤷‍♂️ I disable it though
I always use MSI afterburner to control my GPUs fan curve so idk about windows controlling it.
I don't think PC gamers would really run into those issues.
The MK11 stuff sounds like the developers fault to me if it's just that game
That's not true at all. People were pissed when EA pulled out from Steam.
All of the games Valve put on Origin were out years before Origin existed.
I disagree. As I said, a game using Steamworks (the backend or framework I was talking about) isn't the same as a game being exclusive to a store. There are many games on Steam that use another framework. EA games use Origin, Ubisoft games use uPlay, Satisfactory uses Epic online services.
As for Valve's games, they're the developer and they have a first-party distribution service. No one is mad at Epic for having Fortnite on EGS.
I don't think I'd be using Linux on all my systems right now if it wasn't for Valve and their work on Linux and Proton. I'd still be getting frustrated dicking around with wine and end up reinstalling Windows. So I owe a lot (my freedom to choose what OS I want to use) thanks to Valve and Steam.
We'll never know how well those games would have done if they had been released on Steam from the start. It's a bit of a gamble on the publishers part.
I wonder how well Kine has been doing. It's a game I was only made aware of through the current Steam event, only to then discover it's already out (on EGS) - so much for greater exposure on EGS!
Well, for someone to be able to take Epic's money, Epic has to be willing to give it. Not buying things on EGS seems like a very effective way of moving towards that goal.
This is a very good point.
My fiancee fell in love with Skyrim, after playing the remaster on PS4, but was blown away by my modestly modded PC version.
She recently got a laptop with a 1660ti for WFH and is now in literal Skyrim heaven! Although I'm sharing my Steam Library with her, I imagine many would purchase another copy for these sorts of reasons.
Heck, even I'm guilty of buying the game four times! (360, PC, PS4, Switch)
They didn't pay them, but the exclusivity agreement they required for Introversion forced them to remove their own DRM-free digital download of Darwinia. And since Steam didn't support Linux at the time, it also essentially killed the Linux version.
Just don't update. It's been known since the dawn of mankind it'll often breaks things. This is why I postpone Windows updates until they sort their shit out.
The funny thing is it offers so much more then any other "platform". Especially the ones that charge their users a fee.
Yeah, there you go, great example even though it wasn't an actual purchase.
I do believe a lot of new purchases are laptop users. I've been in the gaming laptop scene for 15 years (bought my first machine with a dedicated GPU in '05-ish), and it's incredible to see how decently powered dedicated GPUs have trickled down to relatively inexpensive laptops now, opening up the PC gaming scene for so many more millions of people. Access "back in the day" was an $1100 USD plus hurdle, but now it's down near $650. Not for the high-end mind, but just to get in the door at 1080p/medium settings.
True, though I don't think that's going to be a problem for as long as Fortnite prints money.
Muthafuckin Steam
Sure. That's one example, back when Valve were literally creating the first viable digital distribution platform for pc games. They stopped doing it very soon after, and haven't done it since.
That wasn't even targetted at a direct competitor. It was a negotiation with a partner. I don't like that they did it, but I'm mostly just glad they've never done it since.
The case for PC gaming just gets stronger. Might have to find space in my apartment for a PC or settle for a laptop w/ a video card one of these days.
People weren't nearly as angry as they are with EGS. There wasn't any kind of generalized rejection of Origin like there is with EGS. You know this.
Which means...?
Here's the thing though: in most cases, those moneyhats from Epic were NOT just straight up cash payments on top of full revenue they would would the earn on the storefront. Several indie developers have confirmed that the deals with Epic were sales guarantees up to whatever the terms of the deal were. So if Epic offered a dev $1M in guaranteed revenue it just comes down to whether or not they think they would make that anyway. At some point there's a calculus to how much MORE a game would have made if available on Steam at launch window price versus what they make a year later when it's released at a steep discount and all those people who were patient snap it up. It's likely that not all of them would have bought it at full price at launch, but I'd be willing to be a significant portion would, and there's definitely a curve to that where taking the money from Epic could actually lower their overall revenue.
Yes, I am aware of that list. I'm slowly going through my Steam games and detaching the ones that are DRM-Free from the client. I realized that I have way too many games, so I am only going to buy DRM-Free moving forward so that list is definitely helpful.
I wasn't being sarcastic, but looking back I guess you mean it's great that they've acquired games from such a range of publishers?
Fair play I guess but being the biggest marketplace in the space will afford your those opportunities. Why would those pubs not want to be on steam? It's a no-brainier.
It's like saying Wal-Mart is on roll because they stock all the big brands, it's kind of to be expected at this point surely.
I think it's also worth reminding that things like the steam library update had nothing to do with epic game store, we knew about them working on it since 2017.
Just because the timing of seems somewhat convienient does not mean causation, that's how people end up thinking that Epic was the reason Quantic Dream's game ended up on PC.
People used to say the same thing about Sony exclusives. Hell, people used to say JRPGs would fail on PC.
When EA took its ball and went home in mid-2011, removing Crysis 2 and Dragon Age 2 to prop up the then-nascent Origin (which was really just a rebranded EA Downloader), and it became clear EA had no intention of releasing future titles on Steam, the conventional "wisdom" was that large publishers doubling down on their own platform was the only net they needed to catch their userbase and releasing on Steam meant cannibalising revenue. This is why Microsoft stopped releasing games on Steam after the launch of Windows 10, Bethesda flirted with the idea of doing the same after assuming Fallout 76 was going to be as successful as Elder Scrolls Online, Acti ditched Steam in favour of Bnet for GaaS titles beginning with Destiny 2, and people would crow "Ubi is next!" every time it had a publisher sale or announced a AAA game but dragged its feet a bit with putting up the Steam page.
That publishers who aren't/no longer release games on Steam have been leaving money on the table has been fairly obvious to long-time users, but it hasn't always been so to the publishers themselves. It is now, though, and I imagine Acti has been watching things unfold with a look of thinking.emoji on its face.
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Cheers Jase.
So yeah, it's great that more games are becoming available on steam, but it's not like "wow, they're on a roll, look at them go!" and more "the inevitable has happened, cool." The business has just rolled their way naturally as often happens with market leaders, it's not like they're "smashing it" as such.
Which was kind of my point.
So yeah, it's great that more games are becoming available on steam, but it's not like "wow, they're on a roll, look at them go!" and more "the inevitable has happened, cool." The business has just rolled their way naturally as often happens with market leaders, it's not like they're "smashing it" as such.
Which was kind of my point.
